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Model mayhem as seen on youtube. :P in Photography Talk
Yeah, it does seem a bit awkward given he did say it was for a model portfolio. However, it is not uncommon (like almost every time) for me to get a model to sign a release even for a (model) paid test. The release serves two purposes, I might shoot something I would like to use in my own portfolio. As a professional who uses his portfolio for marketing purposes, I don't like to use unreleased photos. I go over this with the model in advance (explaining why I would like a release), and that I don't (and never have) use paid test photos for commercial purposes (other than personal promotion). I also want the model to give me permission to retouch the images, the release covers that. The second reason for the release is that it serves as my license to the model so that he/she can use the photos! (A photographer's license for use was something not covered in the video). The standard language usually says that the model as consideration for signing the release is allowed to use any of the photos for their own promotion, but may not sell the pictures for commercial use. Obviously I want the model to use the heck out of the pictures to promote his/her career, but I don't want to see them in an advertisement (I charge a lot more for advertising and catalog than I do for a model test). Any release should have a consideration clause which states what of value the model is receiving for signing the release. Use of the photos for their own promotion is considered valuable consideration. So there you go, while it might seem odd to have a release signed by a model who is paying for a test, I have not had a model say they objected to me using images for my own portfolio (a model could object, I suppose). And the consideration arrangement in the release does give the model the license he/she needs to use my images in their own portfolio/composite/website, etc. John -- John Fisher 900 West Avenue, Suite 633 Miami Beach, Florida 33139 305 534-9322 http://www.johnfisher.com
Needing some paid photoshoots in Newbie Forum
Although there are always exceptions to the rule, I personally don't know of any models who have joined MM with no experience, a limited/beginner portfolio, and non-agency-standard measurements who then immediately booked paid work. I apologize if that sounds harsh. . . I'm not trying to be, we all started with no experience and beginner portfolios, I'm just trying to be realistic. Even if you get a few paid jobs as a beginner, they will likely be from hobby photographers and they will be occasional. When I was just starting out, I did get a few paid gigs in my area, but as others have mentioned, they will come from having something unique to offer. The paid work I got at the beginning was generally for bodyscape/figure study work. I am taller and thinner than most models in my area, so I got lucky in that I happen to have a figure that is rare to find, at least in my tiny city. Even with having a figure that was in demand, there's no way I could have paid my bills off of the money I made. Making ends meet by modeling is difficult for girls who have years worth of experience and networking, let alone someone without that. The tricky thing about modeling is that it's not something you can really practice, learn, or otherwise get experience in until you're out there on set. You can't go to college and major in modeling or get a modeling internship. For the most part, the models you'll see here are self-taught. What that means is that it will take you (and everyone else) a while to really finesse your skills. You wouldn't decide to become a writer overnight and then expect to write a New York Times best-selling novel within the next month. You wouldn't decide to become a rock start and then quit your day job and show up looking for a record deal with no musical training. It's the same for modeling, except tougher because there's no official training for models. For most of the models here, our "training" was trade shoot after trade shoot after trade shoot, until the pictures started to look better and better and better. If you're serious about modeling, I'd recommend hiring a great photographer, makeup artist, and wardrobe stylist in your area. This is probably not what you want to hear, because it involves spending money rather than making it. However, what you need before you can make money is a killer portfolio. The quality of your pictures is what gets you hired. If you invest a little time and money into getting a good start, it will pay off for you in the end because people will look at your work, be impressed by it, and then ask for you to work for them. You want only the very best to represent yourself. . . get some killer shots in genre which you'd like to work, then delete anything unprofessional or less flattering from your portfolio. I'm not saying that modeling requires you to spend money. I have never paid a photographer to help me build my portfolio (although now that I've been modeling long enough to get a decent portfolio started, I'm considering it to really bring me to the next level and fill in the gaps where my port is lacking). That said, I have a full time Mon-Fri job and am not relying upon modeling as my main income. Sorry to write you a whole novel, I hope some of it was food for thought! Good luck.
Shooting with TFP models vs. Paid models in Photography Talk
- Page views in general should not be a concern. It doesn't matter if Models get more page views, unless the Model attracts an audience that I want to reach, the vast number of people who see their portfolio is irrelevant to me. The value is relative to my business needs which is my case is specific and very targeted. If the wrong eyeballs are seeing my work, it could be bad for business, especially if I'm targeting and servicing different market segments. - It's not promotion unless the Model PROMOTES the image. Simply giving away the image does not insure this and if there is no assurance that there will be a benefit for giving the Model the image why do it? But I can control where I promote it and insure that the audience that I'm targeting sees my work. I don't need a large number of the wrong people seeing my work, I need more of the right people to actively promote me. That require strategic and measured placement, not a shotgun scattered pellets approach. Generally speaking, a hired Model is less likely want to promote you than a Model that trade or pays you because they have less incentive to promote images than a Model that's traded for them or paid for them. There is no investment in time or money for the hired Model that they need to see a return on. Also, if there are other business considerations, providing images can hurt your business. If you are shooting on spec or for stock or for publication, sharing image from a shoot that you paid a Model is not a practical consideration until those consideration have been addressed or resolved. Then there is the unintended consequences of being "promoted" by a Model that you've hired that has "Paid Assignments Only" in her profile. Occasionally, I still get hit up by Models that think I should be willing to pay them because they assume that my images in a Model's portfolio that has "Paid Assignments Only" in their profile means that I should be willing to pay them, totally ignorant that the images from the shoot likely was a trade shoot. Discretion about compensation says a lot. I will admit that "Paid Assignments Only" in a Model' s profile factors into whether or not I hire a Model because have their images in MY portfolio may encourage the wrong type of Model to contact me and I will have to spend time dealing with them. - If those Photographers feel it's in their interest to provide you images after they've paid you and feel that getting in your portfolio will give them some benefit, I'm not going to knock them. They see a value in pursuing that strategy and if it works for them it works for them. I know the value of my images. I know it's good work and that the Models that value it generally will want to trade or pay me to shoot them.
VIP- Models in the VIP Room - Jan 21st Pomona, CA in Events
[img]http://www.vipmodelevents.com/imgs/flyer.jpg[/img] ABOUT VIP | REGISTER | FACEBOOK | TWITTER | MEETUP Let's kick off 2012 in Style MM! Let's do that by spending time shooting up to 20 nude / lingerie models in an upscale tequila lounge/bar in the art district of Pomona, CA. I had to call in some favors to secure this location so let's take advantage of it. The interior of this 2 level night club is gorgeous and will allow for some great image creation. We will have exclusive use of it for the day. Sponsor Support! - All models will receive a free gift bag courtesy of Erotique Mode Lingerie! - Professional Hair and Makeup provided by Obsession Makeup Academy! - Photography lighting provided by Linco | Britek! Event Details - Theme: Models in the VIP (Nude Models / Implied Models / Lingerie Models) - When: Saturday Jan 21st, 2012 from 10:30am to 6pm - Where: Upscale Lounge/Club in Pomona, CA (address will be provided to attendees) - # of Models: Up to 20 - Food and drinks will be provided - Group Shoot: 11am to 1:45pm - Private 1:1's: 2:00pm to 5:30pm 1-on-1 Schedule 1) 2:00-2:30 pm 2) 2:45-3:15 pm 3) 3:30-4:00 pm 4) 4:15-4:45 pm 5) 5:00-5:30 pm Photographer Info - Early Registration Cost: $100 (will increase to $125 after Jan 12th) - Register Here: http://www.vipmodelevents.com/register/ - Refund Policy: No refunds unless event is canceled - Book your own 1:1's with the model directly - Model Release agreements will be provided - No assistants unless they want to pay $100 Model Info - Free admission - Must participate in group shoot in order to sell 1:1's - Nude models must pose at least topless during the group portion of the event - You may sell model releases for $20 - Set your rates for 1:1 private shoots & release agreements with photographer - MUAs will be on site for hair and makeup - Model Release agreements will be provided - No escorts or bag boys unless they want to pay $100 Location Features - 2 Level Upscale Nightclub with 25ft ceilings - Linco | Britek lighting will be provided - See photos below Models or Photogs, please send me a private message if you have questions or concerns. Thx! Video Clips from Previous Events [img]http://www.vipmodelevents.com/imgs/video_screen_shot.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.vipmodelevents.com/imgs/video_screen_shot_dec_3.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.vipmodelevents.com/imgs/video_screen_shot_oct_22.jpg[/img] Location Photos [img]http://vipmodelevents.com/imgs/club/1vive.jpg[/img] [img]http://vipmodelevents.com/imgs/club/2vive.jpg[/img] [img]http://vipmodelevents.com/imgs/club/3vive.jpg[/img] [img]http://vipmodelevents.com/imgs/club/4vive.jpg[/img] [img]http://vipmodelevents.com/imgs/club/5vive.jpg[/img] [img]http://vipmodelevents.com/imgs/club/6vive.jpg[/img] [img]http://vipmodelevents.com/imgs/club/7vive.jpg[/img] [img]http://vipmodelevents.com/imgs/club/8vive.jpg[/img] [img]http://vipmodelevents.com/imgs/club/9vive.jpg[/img] [img]http://vipmodelevents.com/imgs/club/10vive.jpg[/img] [img]http://vipmodelevents.com/imgs/club/12vive.jpg[/img] ABOUT VIP | REGISTER | FACEBOOK | TWITTER | MEETUP
Model Managers? in General Industry
Really? I would think that all underage would-be models would have a "manager", probably a parent. Y'see -- if you are not a model & you are not a manager, what do you care? The OP is a photographer who is uncomfortable with a model having a manager. The model is happy (I presume); the manager is happy -- their arrangement is none of your business. It's okay to choose not to work with a model, but it's not okay to imply that no model should ever have a manager. I also get the sense that the OP wasn't talking about high-end, experienced, professional models -- I got the impression that we was talking about less experienced models (probably TF* models). Here's a snippet from the OP: Doesn't sound like it's a choice between a "manager" and an agency -- it sounds like a parent looking out for a wannabe model.The OP also made clear that one model was of age yet had her mother try to set up their shoot and act as a manager. Some shooters may be comfortable with that. I would not be and it seems the OP wasn't either. I would rather deal directly with the model. No go betweens to muck things up and in the past its been that for me managers got details wrong and ruined shoots. Last week a nude model told me how a former manager screwed up a shoot for her. I don't shoot minors but if I did would expect to deal with parents. This is in part why, I decline work with under 18 year old models. I also have found every model manager I've ever run into to be either nearly a pimp or a idiot or both.
The "Method Acting" Approach in General Industry
I figured I would post this here to see what other people think. Its how I have been doing business/shooting for nearly a decade and it has always proven to be EXTREMELY effective in delivering GREAT shots. However not all models understand it, some take offense to it, etc. When I say method acting what I mean is that nothing I shoot is ever "faked". When I have done cutting/blood photos the model was actually into cutting and actually cut herself. However i think the best example is when I did my series of "vulnerable sexuality" photos for my first book. The photos were meant to capture a woman at their most vulnerable point of sexuality (post assault/rape) if you will. No I didn't actually rape the model. What happened was the model drank a bottle of wine before she came over. Then before the shoot took place I threw her around the basement, into walls, onto the floor, smacked her around and degraded her verbally until she was literally in tears, broken, etc. and the photos looked so good because of it. I still get comments on them. Of course again this model was fetish/submissive so it was a unique situation. With all models i try to find triggers however. Triggers to their emotions, their sexuality, kink, etc. I want to find the sure fire instant gratification approaches to put them in the mindset needed for the particular photo. One of my models has me pull her hair and whisper things to her every few shots. Another model just likes a lot of flirting and light touching. One model used to dissapear out of the room every 10 photos or so to masturbate and then would return. It all depends on the model. I actually once had a model say she needed to watch me jerk off to get in that mind set to which I quickly replied HELL NO and stopped the shoot. (I do have limits and standards) Its not just me doing these things either. I always have my wife (co-shooter) or another female model on set and often times the spare model does the triggering. I am just curious if anyone else shoots this way. What your experiences have been with it etc, What people's takes are. If any models think this is cool or interesting.
Ready to Quit MM in Newbie Forum
Sorry, but few people will care if you leave or not. If models aren't answering you, and/or if models are not showing up to your shoots, think of it this way: the universe is telling you that your pitch needs improvement. It's a lesson all of us have to learn. I suggest that you look at it from the model's point of view: why would a model want to work with you? Are the models happy or excited by your proposed project and/or your proposed compensation? Are you scaring off the models, making them feel uncomfortable? Everyone around here has "flake" (i.e. no-show) stories. It's fairly simple -- there are reliable and unreliable models everywhere you look (both here on MM and in the outside world) -- choose to work with the reliable ones. How can you tell if a model is reliable? The easiest thing to do is to check references... ... Ask the photographers & models who are local to you -- they might know you and might be willing to open up about the model, ... Ask the photographers & models who are local to your candidate model, in particular, ask the prominent folk local to the candidate, ... Ask the people credited in her portfolio. After a while, you might be able to get a sense of the model's reliability based on the variety & qualities in her portfolio. Also, if you want to be a better photographer, you might wish to consider working with more experienced & talented models, and yes, that sometimes means paying them. If, on the other hand, you wish to work with less experienced & less talented models who are willing to consider working for you for no money, then you are more likely to come across the unreliable models. Finally, just putting up a profile or hanging out a shingle is not enough to be successful in business. Remember, photography is a very competitive business -- you've got to have better appeal than your competition. That's true here on MM and it will be true wherever you land. If you want to be successful, you have to go out proactively & get it; it won't come knocking on your door. Finally, a little tough love: giving up pretty much guarantees failure. Whatever you decide, good luck.
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Where do they come from... in General Industry
After weeks, months, truthfully years of overwhelming frustration I have to simply ask where do some of these models come from. I have been on model mayhem since forever and truthfully I have had some great luck finding models on this site, however I have also dealt with people who's ignorance, attitude, ego, and more simply astonish me! Models who don't shoot nude - The mainstream modeling industry in which models can make a living doing runway work, catalog work, etc. is about as easy to break into as winning the lottery. Furthermore if you are from ANYWHERE other than New York, LA, Chicago, or Paris your chances are even slimmer. Most models should be ecstatic for ANY casting and whereas I completely understand models not wanting to do PORN/ADULT work there is a HUGE difference between shooting nude and porn, hell there is even a different between erotic/fetish work and porn. Who feeds the close-minded uptight delusions of these models. Escorts - at what point did grown adults start needing to have babysitters? If you truly want to be professional about this and find ongoing work don't pollute my shooting space with some random escort who does nothing but get in the way and serve as a distraction. If you don't feel comfortable shooting with someone then don't shoot with them but don't bring along an escort that will just affect the quality of the images. Especially don't bring a boyfriend or significant other. I am sorry but no matter how professional and awesomely supportive you think your "hubby" is jealousy is something we all must contend with and I will not deal with your personal relationship drama or your boyfriends lack of self confidence. If you need a babysitter then go back to grade school and stop wasting our time, if your boyfriend won't support your goals of being a model without demanding to come along or putting limits on what you shoot dump the tool because he obviously doesn't care about you. Crazy Rates/Won't Shoot Profit Share - I do think models reserve the right to eventually stop accepting TFP/CD shoots however just because you've shot three times doesn't mean you get to command hundreds of dollars an hour, be realistic. Furthermore profit share is NOT tfp especially not when it comes to nationally published books, magazines, etc. If the guy is some amateur who may pay you IF he sells the work that's different but if the photographer is shooting for something being nationally published then take the deal! Models need to learn there is more to this industry then just being moderately attractive and showing up. Even for my nationally published book series I have to: spend hundreds of hours editing photos pay my graphic designer to do the layout for the books the electricity to power all the equipment the marketing of the book, promotions, appearances, etc. plus the ACTUAL shooting, recruiting, etc. AFTER ALL THAT I still get paid when the book sells. Models should accept being paid the same way. We as photographers pay on the back end because it means you will actually put forth the extra effort EVERY MODEL should for the work to succeed. You should have to EARN your pay the same way we do with putting in at least a quarter of the amount of work we do! So I ask again WHERE do these models come from? Please for the love of god tell me I am not the only person dealing with this level of ignorance and attitude!! Oh and on a side note. If a photographer pays you 250 dollars an hour and the photos are of crappy quality and never go anywhere but free internet sites or other low-quality or AMATEUR sites then you aren't a model. You have officially become an escort for the deluded fantasies of a GWC.
how much could i charge per hour? in Model Colloquy
You are right, I shouldn't have put the word "nude" in there. I should have simply siad that I don't know of agencies that would provide a fashion model for $50hr. I will clairify that though. There are a couple of agencies here that might send me models for that price but they won't be as good as many of the ones that I have booked here. I hire as many, or more models than anyone on this site. I book 750 every single year, perhaps more than that. I book agency models as well. Unless I go to Ford, or one of the other premier agencies, (which I do for certain projects), the models are no better, and I am not sure they are any more reliable. I booked an agency model a couple of months ago to pose for a class we were teaching. It was an important class and I needed 100% reliability. The model failed to show up, didn't call and didn't give me any warning. Her booker was sick and there was no backup for her either. So much for agency reliability. My view is that you take every net model and every agency model as an individual. I have no problem paying net models if they are good and if they are reliable. I work with a lot of net models who are every bit as good, or better than agency models. I work with agency models, who are at best, marginal.Might be different markets. NYC has some really fantastic agencies, and I've never had an issue -- I did have a model get sick once, she showed up violently ill, vomited in the trash-can and waited while we called her agency and arranged for suitable backup, she even directed me to models on their board that had a similar look. The replacement arrived 30 minutes later. Might be different markets, I can't say, I've never had any experience with agencies over there.
Who else doesn't bother with model releases? in General Industry
You have so much to learn! Here are a few tips from an old retired pro photographer who has pretty much seen it all. "Umm I can self publish a book anytime I own registered copyright to the shot I can use it. If the laws changed tomorrow its not going to be applies to actions prior to that date of law being signed." You have the photos copyright protected, but you still copyright the book itself. That's because it is a new creation. That's under today's laws. "You can have all the releases in the world but if it comes to court case , you would need to have the model in court to corroborate . How would you track down a model you shot 20 years ago who is on another country and married ?" Signed documents stand on their own in court. There is absolutely no need for confirmation from the model. Her signing the release is her confirmation. Besides, no one other than the model would have standing to sue you regarding a published photo. An exception could be photos of a child, but then the parents signed the release, so what I said still stands.. "A release helps protect the models / publishers interests NOT the photographer." What on earth in a standard release protects a model? I suspect you are confusing releases with useage licenses. Two separate documents hich should never be combined. Other than the self written releases sometimes shown on the internet, which are likely to be worthless in a court, there is nothing in a rstandard release to protect a model in any way. In its most basic form, a signed release is simply the model's writen consent for the photographer to show and othrwise use the images. "Even so publishing on the Internet is still not clear in the US." In what way is it not clear? Look up the word publish and see if you can find any exceptions for the internet. Publishing is publishing. "Publishers have to sweat because there is no argument of commercial use for them." Publishers don't have to sweat didley squat. Have you had any books commercially published, I have. Many years ago I had a photography text book commercially published. I had to sign a statement for the publisher, as part ofthe publishing contract, to the effect that I relieved them of any and all liability concerning the phots included, "including right to privacy law suits". "I give any model who shoots with me joint copyright as we both contributed equally to the art work. Thats what a model gets and deserves as far as I am concerned." That's the sad thing. I doubt very much that you in fact give the model joint copyright. The US Copyright Office will accept joint copyright, but it has to be in writting and submitted to the Copyright Office. A verbal statement will not be accepted. Even if successful, are you aware that 15 years down the road if the photo editor of a major magazine called you and wanted to publish one of your photos,you would have to track down the model to get her written signature before allowing the sale? Way back when I was just starting out and learning the business, I once failed to get a release. A major magazine did in fact contact me wanting use to a photo. I explained to the photo editor that I needed to contact the model to get her consent. It took me about 45 minutes to do just that. When I called back, I learned from an assistant to the editor that he had gone with a different photo due to the "complications" I presented. "Yeah I know a bunch of you will get your panties in a twist about this, however take the models out of your shots what do you have?" A beautifu scenic shot, maybe close ups of flowers or any of the other subjects I photographed for 30 years, before going commercial. " I don't photoshop either so every image is true representation." Maybe you should consider using P'shop.There is a reason every professional photographer and every publication in existance uses P"shop. "Maybe a model release can be a problem to as you have tied your hands when you modify an image as they could come back and say that the shot is not how they ( model) intended it to be and YOU the photographer has breached the agreement." Have you ever actually read a professional release? A goodly percentage of the release covers just that point. Some more positive advice. If you are going to give specific advice on a forum, try to know a bit aboput what you are talking about.
How do you handle 'escorts' in a home studio? in Photography Talk
If you want to shoot with a particular model and they are firm about bringing an escort, try these techniques: 1. go to the next model 2. give the model references to check--which the model should be doing anyway 3. go to the next model 4. do a location shoot with that model and bring a friend of your own 5. go to the next model 6. offer to let the escort come into the studio for 15 min, then leave and come back to get the model when the shoot is finished. 7. offer to let the escort come in for a few minutes and the model to call the escort after the first set you shoot. hopefully the model knows how to use a 'safety word' that tells the escort if she is in trouble. That technique is used in a lot of 'stranger meet' situations--example--dating online and meeting a date for the first time. 8. go to the next model. 9. I send all models a 'info sheet'-pre written and stored in my documents--I paste and copy to the model in a msg. the sheet includes several comments about the escort 'working' during the whole shoot,being 18 with a photo ID which will be copied, staying in the studio, being a gofer for everything, if they disrupt the shoot the session is cancelled, etc. 10. go to the next model. 11. and GO TO THE NEXT MODEL. hope one or more of these 'tactics' help.
Models that don't know how to model in Photography Talk
This is really a very interesting thread. I have read some of the responses several times and the links are helpful. My response just by reading the OP's statement/question is that obviously the model is a newbie or needing help to build her portfolio. That is why she contacted the OP. I just do not see a very experienced model wanting to shoot with any photographer not among the top photographers here on MM tf to help build thier portfolio. The top/very experienced/elite models here can demand "paid" shoots even from the best of the best photographers. Therefore I think that in keeping with the newbie or model wanting to improve her work needing help is where this thread is meant to go. While I do not say that I am among the best I do know that first I would have done some homework had she contacted me. I would have looked at what she had in her port to give me some idea of what she can do. Before I even work with her I get an idea of her comfort level of what kind of pics she is interested in too. When she arrives I first work on getting her comfortable with me so we talk a bit. I may even shoot a few frames just to get her relaxed and into the shoot. Again saying that this is a newbie or model needing help to improve her port. I know from experience that it may take longer to shoot this model so I set aside the time. After all I agreed to shoot with her knowing that more than likely she will need direction with poses, expressions, following my directions. Shooting tf with a model like this is what I already expect. One of the things that I like to do with newbies or models that I think need help is to select a small number of looks and poses from models portfolios here. I explain that the pose, looks, expressions are a guideline and what I am looking for is for her to be able to give me something close to that but wanting to have her create her own pose/image that is hers and not try to exactly duplicate what I show her. Many times the end results from the shoot I find that the best work I get from the model is none of the poses that we started with but instead that she found herself experimenting and creating poses and looks that worked best for her, that we worked together as a team to make it happen. For me that is what it is all about, the model giving me her best look. And I like to take breaks to go over what we are getting, giving her an idea of what she looks like, maybe even discussing how we could do a look over to get it better. This is the part that I love because this is many times when I get my best work from newbie models that have little to no experience. Other photographers can say all they want about who is to blame, about the model should have the experience or that they would have ended the shoot and looked for another model but for me I look at it as I am the one who made the committment to the model to shoot her tf and I am going to do my best to give her pics that are more than what she would have been happy with. I want her to understand what is a good pic. As a photographer myself and still working on improving my own work I want the lighting and colors to be as close to perfect as possible. I want the setting to be right and I look at each image so that if something that does not belong in the picture is removed and we shoot it again. I could fix it in photoshop but why not fix it before I take the pic.
Models that don't know how to model in Photography Talk
Umm.. that's not what we're talking about as far as I can see? We're talking about a model TFP session and she couldn't model: "Or maybe it's me not knowing how to photograph? I recently had a model ask for a TF session and I was happy to oblige. The first expression was a blank look that resembled minor digust. I snapped the photo and she tilted her head half an inch and kept the look. I asked for a smile, she smiles and raises her eyebrows high and widens her eyes like a crazy person. This went on for the entire session. Disgust peppered with crazy eyes. She kept her hands at her sides and when I asked for a particular hand placement it was always awkward with fingers crooked like she was casting a curse. If I had asked for the session I would have stopped and found another model but this was HER session. Now I have 800 photos to choose from and am struggling to find 10 worth sending. I'd really like to give quality work even to those that don't know how to model. Have any of you experienced this? How did you pull the emotions out of the model? What do you suggest I do if I am presented with this in the future?" What you're suggesting is that this is a portrait session. If it's a portrait or paid test session and the photographer is being paid, the rules are very different. If it's a TFP session and the model and photographer are bringing relevant skills to the session, the requirement is still on the model to be able to .... model. I direct, but the model models. That's the way it works. Don't get me wrong. I know how to get the most from people and I do that every week at weddings, and I've very very good at it, and I also get the most from my models too. However if the most I can get from a "model" is the level of a random stranger on the street, then the photographer doesn't have the responsibility to turn that person into a professional model. Because it's not possible. It'd be like me turning up to a TFP session and saying to the model "Umm.. how do I use this black thing in my hand.. I think they call it a camera". It's unprofessional and unreasonable.
Why models should get paid more models thoughts? in Model Colloquy
There are SO MANY VARIABLES for a given model and why they have any given rate. 1) Is the model full time or part time? 2) Is the model doing this for fun, or is it a job? 3) Does the model have looks that are always in demand? 4) What market is the model trying to get into and what is the competition like within? 5) What genres/concepts is the model willing to do? Here is my situation with some models I have worked with... Model A has a full time job and models sometimes just because it's fun... so any amount above ZERO is great for this model... she lives in a market where what she does for fun really isn't in demand but she likes to do it anyway and she is willing to do most concepts and or genres... that model would be happy at $100 day rate. Model B models full time.. is in constant demand and lives in a market where she is always on call... pretty much has to turn down gigs just to stay sane... though she does enjoy modeling, it is mostly a job and has to choose her gigs wisely to earn the most money possible for bills and such. This model would likely turn down even a $300 day rate. So, yeah, rates vary, by looks and place and supply and demand.
Models that don't know how to model in Photography Talk
Can't agree with that at all. It's not the photographers job to model - it's the models. Next it'll be the photographers job to tell the MUA how to apply makeup and the stylist which clothes to put on the model. Yes, you need to direct and give reference and so on, but you can't direct someone who can't do the job. It doesn't work. "The model is just that, a model." - and this is treating someone as if they are a mannequin and a first class ticket to a poor model / photographer relationship, usually with dead eyes and bored looking models. These are models NOT members of the public. What you suggest is fine for a member of the public (and I have all sorts of tricks for getting what I want from them) but models, fundamentally, should be able to model. Think of it this way: if the photographer is like a director, is it the directors fault if the actor can't act? No. It isn't. Can they get the best from someone who can act? Yes. A good photographer can get the most out of a model, but they can't make someone who can't model ... model. (and yes I've done my fair share of coaching models - but only ones who I think have some talent in the first place).
Setting a model straight in General Industry
I consider myself a pretty flexible guy. I have my rules when it comes to TF shoots. I also have my muses. My rules for my muses are far more relaxed than they are for models I might shoot once. I recently found myself in an uncomfortable predicament with an inexperienced model with whom I had never worked -- and will never work with again, believe me. Her English was not good, so that contributed to the apparent misunderstanding over images, who chooses what, and what she gets. She basically expected me to give her everything. I thought it best afterward that I spell things out for her. I'm interested to know from experienced fotogs and models if you think this is a fair policy. Keep in mind that I respect my models and value what dedicated, serious models bring to the table and that this model is far from professional, that she was told beforehand the way I work, and that my policies are somewhat more flexible with regular models and muses whom I work with on a regular or semi-regular basis. Here's what I told her: I feel compelled to explain a few things to you about how these shoots work. You're a relatively new model. I don't know who you've been working with or what their policies have been, but I will outline for you the policies under which I have worked in this genre for five years now. They are similar to the policies most reputable photographers follow. They are not intended to rip you off or steal your image or anything like that. They are the same policies I have applied to some 300 shoots with over 150 models without incident or disagreement, ever. TF shoots are intended for the mutual benefit of photographer and model and whatever support people are involved (ie. MUA, stylist, etc.). Everyone but the model has a financial stake in the shoot. The MUA has invested time and money in training and cosmetics. The photographer has invested thousands and thousands of dollars in equipment and studio rental (in my case, $xx,000 in equipment and $xxx a month in rent). The model just shows up with whatever wardrobe she has in her closet. I don't charge you. Nor does the MUA. Besides the shoot of two to three hours, each image takes me between 30 minutes and 90 minutes or more to edit. I might use one, two, maybe three images at most from a shoot. Sometimes I use none. By law, the photographer owns the copyright to all images taken. This is the law in Canada. The model can use the images for self-promotion -- on her website, on MM, on compcards -- but not for sale or reproduction without the fotog's permission. As the artist and the copyright holder, it is the photographer's prerogative in a TF arrangement to choose the best images, edit them and distribute them. Keep in mind, that in this case I am not being paid for my time, equipment or expertise. Before the shoot, I explained to you that I promise all my models between six and 12 edited, web-ready images. This is the same undertaking I make prior to every shoot with every model. The images are the same size I use myself, and the same size I distribute to everyone involved in every shoot. As stated above, my practice in 99.9% of shoots is the same practice every reputable fotog uses for a non-paying shoot -- as the artist, I choose the images. I assume you agreed to work with me because you liked my portfolio. Surely in seeing that portfolio and the list of models I have worked with, you can recognize that I'm not going to edit or post pictures that make you look bad or compromise you in any way. We shot no nudes, no suggestive images, nothing that would embarrass or negatively depict you. In fact, it's possible I won't be posting anything from today's shoot. All that said, because you're new at this and seem unaware of how things work, and because I don't want you to walk away unhappy, you can have a look at the stuff some afternoon later this week. If there are any images you just have to have, I'd be happy to do them up for you, within reason. I do not, and never have, distributed unedited or high-res images.
New !! Weekly Model Workshops - El Paso, Texas in Events
If you are a traveling model, local model, or photographer, you can join our Shoot Teams - Model Workshops !! Basically, the projects can be done on a weekly basis. We form Shoot Teams, then proceed to the projects. This is how it works: Models - Message us on our MM profile to let us know you want to be posted on our website (you can also message us via our website). Then we will post your Model Name on the website. Then photographers can click on your name and fill out a short form to let us know that they want to be on a team do a photo project with you. As soon as several photographers have joined your team, we will notify you, and all of them to set up the Model Workshop (is done on a Model by Model basis). Then we will all meet at the Model Workshop location (we have a location with various backgrounds) to complete the project. The amount each model will be paid depends on how many photographers are on her team. The other consideration is what styles of modeling that a model is ok with. Photographers - simply message us here on MM or on the main website, and request to work with the Shoot Teams, then fill out the forms posted on the main website to select the model you want to work with. After a certain amount of time we will evaluate each team so see how many members each team has, and evaluate how much each photographer is going to pay. The model may have a negotiable rate or a non- negotiable rate. So that will be factored into the decision. The main website is listed below: http://www.wix.com/vvibrantbookings/vibrantstudios A note to Models - we will do our best to assist in any requests you may have as far as transportation or lodging while in the El Paso area.
L U C I M A Modeling Agencies WS 11/5-11/6 LA, CA! in Events
WORKSHOP IS FULL! Please message me with emails to be put on the workshop email list. See you all at the next workshop! [img]http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6209/6099548846_db50957b7f_z.jpg[/img] Brittany. Studio. D3/24-70mm f/2.8 1/200th f/4.0 ISO 200. [img]http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6158/6233095749_c87d9167eb_z.jpg[/img] Erica. Location. D3/24-70mm. WORKING WITH MODELING AGENCIES WORKSHOP: STUDIO/OUTDOOR LIGHTING I just finalized the lease on my new 2,100 s.f. studio (the old space was 1,300 s.f.)! There's no better way to debut the space than with the original Working with Modeling Agencies Workshop on November 5-6, 2011! -If you're still building your portfolio and trying to get your foot in the door with agencies (particularly in the competitive LA environment), this workshop is for you. -If you're trying to improve your existing body of work, this workshop is for you. -If you're trying to build a paid-relationship with agencies, this workshop is also for you. -If you don't care about improving your port or working with modeling agencies, then this workshop is not for you. Without further adieu here are the topics we'll cover: -What agencies are looking for in a photographer and a portfolio. -How to approach agencies -Portfolio review -Creating the "agency look" in capture (natural light and strobes) -Creating the "agency look" in post -Photographer/agency/model interaction -Shooting without a studio This will be a two-day event that will feature insight from agency models and will highlight many of the lighting setups and post-processing techniques that I employ for my own work. How does this workshop differ from your first one in January? When I first started shooting with modeling agencies, I didn't have a studio. In fact, most photographers don't own a studio and can't afford to blow money on unpaid tests. Day 2 will really focus on shooting outdoors, without a studio, without strobes, without reflectors even... and still execute the "agencies" look. Highlights from Day 2 include: -Background control -Lighting angles with ambient light -Proper camera settings (and why) -Model/Photographer interaction POST-PROCESSING Shooting is only half the battle. Without good post-processing it's all moot. You can't submit images straight out-of-the-box to agencies (or to anyone these days) without processing. So we will really focus on processing on Day 1. That way, on Day 2 you'll know what you're looking for, how to generate the right lighting for the right effect, and actually practice shooting for those looks. Day 1: -Cover basic agency criteria -Portfolio review -Approach and communication -Basic studio setups (0,1 and 2 light setups) -Shoot and review (we go over the images together on computer immediately after you shoot them) Day 2: -Shooting on location -Controlling the background -Controlling location lighting without strobes/reflectors -Photographer/model interaction General notes: -Since good models are paramount to getting "the shot" we'll provide experienced agency-represented models for the workshop. I'll be updating this page shortly with who we're shooting. -Photographers will be learning/shooting on-the-fly. I'm not a fan of lectures but rather a constant dialogue and sharing of knowledge. That also means, you're not paying to watch me shoot... you'll be doing most of the shooting! -One of the things I enjoy most is keeping the workshop small for more one-on-one attention. I will cap the attendance at 12. -One-on-one time with models is critical to the learning process. At the workshop you'll have plenty of time to work with models. There will be 2-3 photographers per model. Photographers should bring: -Camera/assorted lenses -Lightmeter -Media cards -Something to take notes with -(optional) Pocket Wizards Fee: WORKSHOP IS FULL! REGISTRATION IS CLOSED! $749. [img]http://www.andreahoag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/paypal-logo.jpg[/img] Location LUCIMA STUDIO 212 Kruse Ave. Monrovia, CA 91016 626-674-2858 Date/Time Saturday and Sunday, November 5-6th, 2011, 9AM-5PM Here are my last 6 workshops! January, February, April, June, July, September Q/A: Will update as inquiries come in! Q: Do you also teach workshops from Calumet? What's the difference? A: Yes, I have a non-exclusive partnership with Calumet Photographic that affords me the opportunity to teach my own workshops. So far all my classes at Calumet have been 1-day events at the Hollywood store with no location shooting. Q: I'll be flying in from [fill in the blank]. Where should I stay that's not too far from your studio? A: There are several 2-3 miles away from the studio. I'm not affiliated with any of the following suggestions a) Doubletree Hotel 924 West Huntington Drive, Monrovia, CA b) Oak Tree Inn 788 West Huntington Drive, Monrovia, CA c) Courtyard 700 W. Huntington Drive, Monrovia, CA Q: Which models are we shooting? A: Will update shortly! Q: How will we get to the location on Day 2? A: The location is a short drive from the studio about 10 minutes away. Q: Will we be shooting nudes? A: Nope. For that I suggest you go to Drew and Karl's workshops. I hear they're great Q: At what point will you know whether you will register enough students to confirm the workshop? A: I never cancel my workshops. If there is even 1 photographer, then the show goes on! Yes, I will teach to 1 photographer if only 1 registers! Q: Do I really need a light meter? A: Yes and no. But basically I'll be showing you how to light with AND without light meters. But for a long-winded version of this answer please see my official stance on light meters.
Life models for art classes, not photography model in Model Colloquy
A response to Anne and a response to the OP: 1. Anne: it's been my experience that a lot of figure model/life modeling programs are run very inefficiently. I'm near a major university. I've tried contacting the professor who runs the figure drawing program and has ads up for prospective models on the campus--no response. Talked to a faculty member at that school who has tried to contact that art professor about model availability--no response. I've shot 3 different models who go to school at that campus--all 3 said they tried getting into the figure modeling classes to pose and pick up some bucks--no followup from the professor. I've shot at least 10 models that I now of that are in figure modeling classes (as the model) around the US in some form. About half complain about the programs being very inefficient. So don't take your response personally, it's probably more about incompetence and inefficiency. 2. To the OP: I've gotten a very divided response about figure modeling in art classes from the models I've shot who have done that. Some complain about how tough it is--they're dynamic, very physical and hate being in the same pose for 15-20 minutes. Others love about how it evens out the business cycle. They know that every Tuesday, they've got a couple of hours of posing with guaranteed money all semester long. You don't get rich that way. But for models who hold up their nose at art class fees, the reality is that when you average out a nude model's posing fee for photography and add in...transportation time, marketing and going through casting and emails on MM (one model told me for every hour of shoot time she booked, she spent 3 hours of pre-shoot communication and contacting people and setting up travel) and then additional expenses you don't have with art classes (like makeup or lingerie)...often times 2-3 art classes back-to-back will result in a better hourly rate than the same amount of time posing for photographers with paid work. Ed
I know this will probably raise hell but... in General Industry
Well, and it's a deep well... In my honest opinion it comes down to simple economics. 1. Models have a skill to model. This skill can pay. 2. Photographer have a skill to photograph things. This skill can pay. 3. Models can hire a photographer to take pictures of them for a fee based on his/her skill set and usage rights. 4. Photographer can hire a model based on his/her skill set and usage of the models image. Negotiations can vary between the parties depending on their own bartering for more images/usage rights/"looks" etc. These could even turn the negotiations to a form of payment many have always called TFP (time for prints) on the models behalf. In lieu of or along with reduced funds paid to the model. OR the negotiations could be turned to more usage rights of the models image on behalf of the photographer in lieu of or along with reduced funds paid to the photographer. Negotiations can be an exchange of garments paid to the model, gas money, dinner, lunch etc. Anything you desire to work in a negotiation and can both agree upon. What makes this so? Supply and demand. Who has the supply of what the other needs. Models that don't need prints OR at least don't need prints from a photographer unless they can truly enhance their profile most likely will NOT negotiate TFP or whatever and Photographers that don't need what the model may have to offer will most likely NOT negotiate TFP or whatever as well. supply and demand Now how do rights get involved? 1. Models (anyone actually) have rights (I speak for USA for the most part, in some countries this varies) when it comes to the usage of their image in commercial works. <- period 2. Photographers (ALL artists actually) (I speak for USA for the most part, in some countries this varies) have rights when it comes to THEIR works. <- period So it comes down to a barter/negotiation of those rights. Lest ye not forget TIME: Each supplies time some before/during AND after the shoot to create the finished product. So it is also a barter/negotiation of time spent. Why do models have no rights over their "work" note I am not saying they have no rights based on the usage of their image THAT is a given. They have no rights over "modeling" itself because "Works that have not been fixed in a tangible form of expression are not protected under the Copyright Act..." http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/unprotected.html (was one of the first links that popped up in the google search... So it all comes down to negotiations based on who holds what rights, and whom values whose time and rights more or even equally for that matter and who is putting out what percentage of the work on the project etc etc etc... You can pick it to death and say what about this or what about that well those are all part of the negotiations too. But perhaps I am being to reasonable...
What do you think was I in the wrong in Photography Talk
Tried to post this back on page 1 but MM seemed to have a hiccough and could not access for awhile. Some has already been covered but something else: I have had a similar situation with the same model at least a year apart (boyfriend/fiancee in one case and work called the second) except that I had made the booking and was shafted . However in each case had another reliable model backed up. 1. So it was model's idea to shoot and model's idea to shoot in hotel. You offered to cover cost of hotel bill but she had to use her credit card to cover the booking (common application here in Australia - cash not as good as a credit card) . She cancelled without sufficient notice to change booking so full fee is due to the hotel. You have lost a friend because she is now screwed out of the fee. In effect she has paid a non refundable booking fee and is now pissed off that you will not refund it, or you were paying her a fee (the hotel bill) for her to shoot, but she faied to show so she does not get paid and instead gets billed. 2. If you had the credit card and same cancellation occurred then you would have lost a friend and you would be screwed out of the fee. 3. If you were a professional photographer doing this scenario you would require the model to pay a fee to cover the cost of the location + your time to shoot her + the cost of images produced. And before even booking you would require a deposit which would cover any upfront and irrecoverable costs with balance payable on the day. In cases 1 and 2 you have lost a friend. In case 3 the person is a client and not a friend. In case 2 where you have a location booked which is costing money have a backup model or 2. Assuming you could get into the hotel at 2 pm, I would have another model (A) booked for 2.30 - 4.30 your model friend (B) at say 5 pm - 7 pm and a third model (C) for 8 pm - 10 pm. You tell model (A) that there is the possibility of extending her time and she should be prepared for that. You tell model (C) that you may be able to fit her in an hour earlier and extend her time and ask her to be prepared for that. You could also consider having another model (D) for the following morning before bookout time 7am - 9 am. That way you maximise your use of the rented accommodation. If your model (B) cancelled then you extend A for 1 hour to 5.30 have a dinnner and be ready for your early arrival of (C) at 7 pm If the other models also cancel then you have to wonder about your shoot selling ability and try and improve.
What is happening out there? in General Industry
I agree. How on earth could a 'model' end up in a shoot without knowing about a release? It should never happen. It COULD be avoided with the addition of an 'induction' area for new models and photographers. IF a photographer chooses a model from that area of the site they do so at their own risk. We also have a new area called 'grievances' where posts like this can be made. The op chose a model who is clearly not a professional. Every model and photographer have to start somehwere BUT they should learn the code of professional conduct and things like no flaking, signing release forms, etc etc. BEFORE commencing work here. Otherwise it reflects badly on all of us; particularly when these klinds of threads are so prolific. Yesterday one poster, a photographer who had no model pics in his port, said he couldn't find a single reliable model in Chicago. There are 6700. Half will be amateurs or wannabes or inactive. But that still leaves 3000 odd models with some experience of all kinds. Ten minutes of searching revealed some of the best model ports I have ever seen. Most of them were also Agency signed. Some newcomers with really tremedous potential; some genre specialists and some great journeymen. So these 'model knocking' threads all over the place undermine the professionalism of the site and the reputation of highly professional models here. We are entitled to ask what you want the images for; but will expect to sign a model release form. Anybody who is a professional model will expect that. We can't get rid of these models; but we should give them some tuition in this kind of thing by putting them in an induction forum if they have no experience where they can learn the ropes. And gripes about MM models (or photographers) that are related to using such amateurs in what is supposed to be a site for professionals reflects badly on us all: so a forum area for that would be good.
Forum quality... in Site Related Forum
And you accused me of writing War and Peace. Debate is about exchange of ideas. When one person is resistant to the ideas they need to be repeated in case you failed to grasp it or address it. I read your post about why you didn't need to pay models and acknowledege you had a point. You - and others -failed to address the points I made in that thread and some of you were diabolically rude. If you insist on remaining entrenched in the west bank and gaza strip then we can go at it for twenty years. Talking should be about understanding and seeing each others viewpoint. That isn't always possible. BUT on this it should be. I get paid because there is demand for my services and you should respect that. You may not need or want to shoot with a model like me but I am entitled to make a living and did. In this thread you have also failed to acknowledge that many of the models are unhappy about the forcefulness and rudeness and constant complaining about MM models being amateur and flakes. There are some absolutely top class models here. It sometimes makes me feel what on earth am I doing here because they are so good. We wish to be able to discuss some issues sometimes without that kind of sarcasm and aggression that is all. You are welcome to contrubute but without negativity. The moderation does not always work. I received ad hominem attacks today. Your first post in this thread was to my mind verging on trolling. I have had posts deleted for less. We want this site to reflect the professionalsim of the many models on it that are reliable and professional; and also the many great photographers here including yourself. We cannot do that without having a bit of respect for each other; and some mutual determination to tidy up the site so the continuing threads about stripper rates and flakes do not vomit over the good stuff daily. They need to be in a grievance forum. I will go there and argue with you but I don't like doing it in an area I feel should be about our modelling not how you think we should all work for tf; or someone else thinks we are some kind of joke internet models who flake etc. I have made my first contribution in the MC tonight. It will help some models get into a very well paid and reliable modelling field. If you don't know about it just don't pout scorn over it that is all we ask . It will help photographers too since models who do uit will learn alot about poise and drape etc and we won't be so reliant on you paying us. I have for example posted a top London model in that thread who is seeking to test at the moment. Look up 'fitting modelling'. And please do not derail it unless you have something that can contribute other than hurtful sarcasm. The place may be more civil because so many models have left; and many frequently don't participate. I find bad language when used in anger upsetting; especially when accompanied by insult. Others do too. Hence the photographers outnumber the models while the models just get on with getting the work and keeping their heads down. And it is because of all the attacks. I am also sending you a pm so you know the kind of thing that we are talking about doesn't mean you but the faintly ridiculous and unwarranted stuff we have to deal with and so are on def con one. However; I will thank you for your apology. Sincerely. There is nothing but dignity in a man who can say sorry and you have gone up in my estimation. Thank you and apologies if I said anything to upset you too. I hope Diana and Springheel can make it up to because I really value both of them. Eliza xx
Forum quality... in Site Related Forum
With all due respect this is precisely what is wrong. Don't see this as having a go at you please. Try to let me explain. We hear it every day from photographers - oh if I pay model it is when a third party pays. Otherwise I can't pay models. Correcty. Only about 25% of my paid work is from photographers and 10% of that is when a third party pays. Don't get me wrong; I get really excited to shoot especially when it's something exciting. I hate the mundane stuff like being a building society teller etc. As do the photographers so it can be turgid. But I have shot with some really great photographers and given them my all. I am not a classic beauty I get paid because of my effort and input. I actually 'model' as in the verb and some appreciate that and are happy to pay me. When we get working well together I am happy to throw in tf on project development. I KNOW that any model working here professionally photography is only going to be the mainstay with a small minority of succesful models and then it will often be third party paid. As I said; that is not to say it isn't one of the best gigs. BUT here is the issue photographers need to understand from our point of view. I get asked to do a shoot.There is a good reason I won't do tf. If I book two weeks in advance even when its paid when I was modelling full time it could present a major problem. Suddenly I get a call from Agent Provocateur can I do the whole week fitting. Or a call from an Art insititution to do 15 wednesday evenings starting at 5pm when the shoot is scheduled to go on until 6pm. It is a major problem because that lost income can be £1000 or more. With other models it may be a week promo modelling at a car show; all expenses and hotel paid and £1000 in the bank. Or it may be an extra in a movie for six weeks the same; or a part in a west end show dancing. Sometimes it could be ten weeks fitting work lost. That is where you may get flakes from some professionals but I don't do it. So I take the photography gig at £145 but lose the big gigs you see? This will be the same for every professional model. Hence they charge a fee qwhere at least they get a days wages if they miss a big gig. many of we models network with each other to cover our backs in such situations and fill in for each other. Now I am not an Agency model. That does not mean I don't work. Fifty per cent of my paid work was in fashion; and remains so despite the fact that an agency wouldn't touch me at 5ft 6ins. I have fitting work pencilled in for a couturier In London and fashion show booked later in this month. Then a good 25% per cent of my paid work was Art modelling. Again most models here do it ; and there is sometimes quite a bit of excitement when even the odd top professional model turns up at a Fine Art insititution. It is considered a good grounding for pose work. So I am sorry to disappoint you but most of the professional models here are not agency signed and do that kind of work. Actually so do the agency models. So 90% of us make a living and photography is just a bit of the income. A nice bit; but just a part. So do you understand a little more when it drives us mad how you think we are reliant on you and we should be shooting for free?
You told her your terms. Cancel. in General Industry
I've noticed that this advice pops up often -- in fact, I copied & pasted this from another thread. This is the popular response to photographers complains, like... ... Model declines the initial offer; model makes a counteroffer, ... Model wants to be paid, ... Model doesn't want to pay the photographer, ... Model wants to bring an escort, ... Model doesn't want to be touched, ... Model can't spell, ... Model hasn't logged on in the past week, ... Model can't/won't call 24 hours in advance to confirm, ... Model has a manager, ... Model has someone else negotiate her terms, ... Model wants more pictures, ... Model wants all the pictures, ... Model doesn't want watermarked pictures, ... etc. I'd like to think I'm a flexible guy (and I'll admit that I'm not 100% flexible), but it seems to me that folks are willing to give up / cancel at the slightest provocation. I also understand that lots of people (most of us?) are not comfortable with negotiation, but I believe that negotiating is a key business skill. Yet, it seems that people take counteroffers personally and that they would rather walk away from a deal than make a counter offer. So, question: are agreements really this difficult & fragile?
NEVER PAY MODELS...Why? in Model Colloquy
Again you have had a problem reading what I have said consistently. It is NOT amateur models I have an issue with and I have done a great deal to help new models; including stopping a fair amount of bullying and ocassional mysogeny; and telling them how to get a good grounding and paid work that will sustain them in other modelling areas. I DO NOT sneer at amateur models; we are all that to begin with. It is the amateur wannabe egostistical models that flake; turn up with armed escorts, have the stripper rates ; have a couple of nice pics then quote silly rates etc etc. These are clearly not the type of amateur models you have used if you are happy and don't get such problems; but many of the threads in MM are about those issues. What I am saying is that is less likely to happen with a professional or an enthusiastic dedicated amateur. If you can get results from those amateurs or can get pros to work tf then that is great. It is 1. the idea that professional models aren't ever worth paying 2. the idea that professional models are as risky a proposition than an particular type of amateur model we read about round here constantly is what I dispute. And once again do NOT judge people because they defend an argument. It is no reflection on how we may work. I never let things like that come into my actual work. NEVER had one argument on any shoot or other modelling job. You are twisting what I say and attacking me personally because you don't want to pay professional models or acknowledge that we can SOMETIMES have a strong valuable input. It may suit your prejudiced view of me to think I have an attitude but that attitude will be sharply focussed on any job I take with equal commitment. You are a professional photographer and charge for your work. I am a professional model and charge for mine. Such positions deserve mutual respect for each other's craft. If you don't wants to pay a model that is fine. The reason we as professional models don't get respect around here is because we are judged by the behaviour of models who are incompetent, unreliable, charge wannabe or so called 'stripper' rates etc etc and because of the failure for some to see what a model actually does get paid for.
NEVER PAY MODELS...Why? in Model Colloquy
That is fair enough. However; the problem then is that the MM forum becomes bogged down with photographers criticising models for being unprofessional. If they are hobbyists and choose a newbie and she flakes; turns up with a mad gun toting escort, gets a few good shots and thinks she can start charging silly rates; etc etc then it reflects on MM models as a whole. I am not suggesting that hobbyists don't use newbies for tf; merely that they recognise that professional models are not accompanied by the problems that we see here regularly. One could be forgiven when reading the forums that the majority of models here are such amateurs. When in fact some of the top Agency and even top Campaign girls are here. I have worked with several who I know are here whose agency rates would frighten even the best photographers to death. If those girls go a few weeks without working they may need to bang up new looks on their port to keep everything fresh; so they may get them tf on rare ocassions. That doesn't mean they are all going to shoot with hobbyists even if they met their rates. But there are lots of different kinds of models in all genres and levels that are very professional; not so expensive, and photographers of all genres and levels do use us and do pay us and we do deliver. I realise that sometimes frustration with an amateur who doesn't behave correctly can lead to outbursts; I also realise that some photographers are so good that even top agency girls will shoot tf with them rather than work paid with a hobbyist. That doesn't mean that all of us need to. I am never going to be an editorial or campaign model; so to be honest the fact that I may shoot tf with such a photographer is a red herring. It actually will be no good for them or me. So when such quality professional photographers post here saying that they don't have to pay models, then either: 1. They get to shoot the models they ought to be shooting tf and so what is the problem 2. They frequently are wasting their time because they are not hobbyists so why shoot newbies and amateurs? As you say it takes a lot of time to pose them and build confidence etc. 3. If they are shooting for something personal like creative development, view to exhibition or publication etc then they are again better off with a professional model because the time wasted you describe may give them the satisfaction that they can get good shots from amateur models; but it isn't going to help their artistic aspirations and they just become great technical port shooters but the work can be unimaginative. Even top photographers work can become staid without a challenging model who will inspire and stretch them. That is likely to be a professional. So it comes across as bombastic, undermines those of us who have our niche and work hard and are paid, gives every hobbyist and gwc they have a god given right to shoot models for free too, and makes us seem mercenary. It really angers me and many other models and undermines the site reputation ; because we stick to our guns and charge while the photographers seek amateurs and it goes tits up. Professional models are entitled to charge for their efforts and what they contribute in terms of creativity to the shoot at whatever level; without the accusations of being mercenary because believe it or not it isn't our hobby to shoot your projects! We make our living that way and are working at our optimum level without dreaming that shooting tf with great editorial or studio photographers is going to put us in Vogue or Playboy. I would rather work with artists, creative photographers, designers, educational insititutions, etc who do not moan about our rates and recognise what we do. By choosing a professional model the hobbyist too is also more likely to make transition to paid work because instead of just producing images which are technically lovely port shots; they may actually produce something more ambitious that is saleable at exhibition or to publication; or actually shows that they are ready for such work to third parties.
nude male models in Model Colloquy
I've shot a lot of male nudes. (1) You can't talk a model into nudes who isn't interested. They are either willing or not willing, and there is little you can say to sway them if they are not. So don't try. If a model says no, just move on to the next one. (2) How nude and controversial do you plan to be? My nudes are fairly mild and tasteful, and I very rarely ask a male model to show his penis. That makes a huge difference. I've worked with a LOT of male models who are willing to show side or rear nudity, so long as their penis doesn't show. If that is adequate for your needs, you'll have a much easier time finding models. If you require full frontal nudity, that will dramatically limit your models. In the US, most legit agencies do not allow their male models to show their penis (don't know if that is the case in Australia). If you require erections, then you really need a porn star, not a model. And be prepared to pay. (3) Having a good portfolio makes a big difference. When I first started it was more difficult to find wiling models. Now that I have a substantial gallery of very unique nudes, it is much easier to find models. Models find me. (4) On MM, I find it more productive to search through models using the Browse menu, and contact models individually. I personally don't use casting calls to try to recruit models. Understand that a lot of models on MM are just doing it for grins, and aren't particularly serious about it, so you get a fair amount of flakes. It can take some persistence to weed through the flakes to find the good serious models.
NEVER PAY MODELS...Why? in Model Colloquy
OK I can afford over 20K worth of photography gear I can afford to pay for insurance I have a bunch of cool software and computers and stuff that aren't cheap But somehow after investing all that money to make the best photos I can, I don't want to invest any money in the subject of my photos. I can never quite get my head around that line of thinking. The majority of my portfolio is stuff I've shot for trade, but if you're trying to make great photos, what is the big deal about tossing a fraction of what you spend on lenses, bodies, software, computers, etc. to an experienced model to make the best images you can. If someone like Vassanta, Keira Grant, V Nixie, Paper Doll, etc. is in your area, schedule some time with them and pay them. I turn away models that want to shoot trade with me, nudes, clothed, whatever all the time. While shooting trade is thought of as "free", the truth is my time is valuable. That "free" model costs me a bunch of hours retouching images that I have offered as compensation for the time that "free" model spent with me. When it turns out that she can't model, has only one expression, showed up with a few more pounds than her portfolio pics, and went on a Butterfinger binge before the shoot and her skin is all jacked up, what I get in return for my time is totally not worth it. So now I'm in the position of spending a bunch of time working on images that I'll never even want to show to anyone and putting aside other things so that I can finish these images in the timeline I agreed to. Yes, that's an extreme case, and most of my trade shoots turn out pretty good, but it does happen and I'm very reluctant to take chances on inexperienced models working for trade. When I pay a model, I shoot, pay her, and my obligation to her is done. I work on the images I want to when I want to and while I've been disappointed once or twice with models I've paid, the results of my shoots with paid models have overall been much better than with trade models. Fortunately (for me), I'm not a full time photographer and don't have to hustle every minute to generate income with my photography. This is primarily a hobby for me and I want to get as good at it as I can. Working with paid models gives me the opportunity to jump start the quality of images I create and I can do whatever experiments I want with lighting, themes, etc. and it doesn't matter to the model if they turn out or not. I don't have a lot of ego wrapped up in this and I'm willing to invest in all aspects of my photography. You don't see travel photographers saying "I'll never pay to go someplace to take photos". They invest in travel so that they can get shots of things you don't see every day. That's the same way I look at paying models. There are a lot of models right outside my door that I can shoot for "free", but there are only a handful of models that really take things to the next level.
Model Summit 2011 Harrisburg PA in Events
What is Model Summit you ask? Model Summit is a 2-day Meet/Greet Event held since 2006 around the country once a year...most recently in Houston, Texas in 2010. Model Summit will be held this year on October 15th and 16th, in Harrisburg, PA. On its' 5th Anniversary Model Summit is returning to its roots in Central PA! This year's event location will be disclosed September 30th. Due to recent weather issues, there are currently 2 different locations that are being looked into in the event that the original location will not be ready. We will know the exact location by September 30th, 2 weeks prior to the event. What to expect: Model Summit 2011 is designed to be a collaboration of models, photographers, make-up artists, and businesses interested in working with members of our industry for various projects. It is designed as a Meet/Greet/Casting Call, so come prepared to impress potential clients, and essentially be interviewed, and interview yourself, people within our industry to work with. There will be some opportunity for some limited shooting while at the event. Details will be provided. Some of the current projects being interviewed for photographers, models, and make-up artists: Body Painting Shoots Lingerie Calendar Swimsuit Calendar Poker Shoot Tattoo Calendar Bike Calendar Mess in a Dress Wood Nymphs Hot Cars, Hot Girls Calendar Boudoir Circus Theme Shoot Sexy Sports Calendar Waterfall Sexy Fantasy Calendar And many more... Model Summit 2011 also presents an opportunity for you - photographers, models, and make-up artists- to bring your own ideas to seek out potential collaborators for your own personal ideas as well. This event will enable you to plan ahead, schedule, and work on projects potentially throughout the coming year, so don't miss this opportunity! We will be announcing Featured Attendees, schedules, and other details over the next two weeks so stay tuned! There is limited space available so please be sure to register for the event as soon as possible. How to register: There is no fee to register, however, October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, and we simply ask that attendees make a donation of any amount upon attending to the Susan G. Komen for the Cure Donation Box that will be present during the event. Models, Photographers, and Make-Up Artists are asked to send the following information to modelsummit@gmail.com MODELS Full Name (Actual Name plus Alias if applicable - example: Jane Doe aka Sly Fox) Age (under 18 requires an adult to accompany you) Email address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Experience level (Amateur, Some Experience, Professional) Model Website address (Model Mayhem, Personal site, MissOnline, OneModelPlace, etc.) PHOTOGRAPHERS Full Name (Actual Business Name and Full Name - example: JD Fotos by John Doe) Email Address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Experience level (Amateur, Some Experience, Professional) Photography Website Address (Personal, Model Mayhem, MissOnline, etc.) MUAs Full Name (Actual Business Name and Full Name - example: Make-Up by JD by Jane Doe) Email Address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Experience level (Amateur, Some Experience, Professional) Website Address (Personal, Model Mayhem, MissOnline, etc.) BUSINESSES Full Name of Business Contact Person Email Address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Website Address List any Projects in which you are seeking to use models, photographers, and/or make-up artists. (Please note if they are PAID, UNPAID, or other terms of compensation) For speedy acknowledgement of your registration please make sure you send all the information completed and correctly the first time. If you have any questions, please contact me at 832.722.1248 or email at modelsummit@gmail.com We look forward to seeing you there!
Why models should get paid more models thoughts? in Model Colloquy
That is where you are incorrect. It appears to me you are looking for inspiration having arrived at a certain point when you think paying a model will not necessarily add to your shoot. You need a muse; your Gia if you like. You may get that without paying. Maybe even a girl on the street. But it is more likely to come from a professional model is my argument. The reason for that is that we expect as part of our job to inspire you and interpret your vision and add our input to it. Yes; certainly there are mercenary models who just turn up shoot and haven't really given themselves to you. In fact I see Agency models on good money doing that regularly; but by the same token I see agency models that are absolutely brilliant and give their all. And you get amateurs and girls shooting tf that will do that too. EXACTLY the same is true of photographers. I see really good -photographers shooting fairly mundane portfolios and they have been paid for them. They have had a mercenary attitude. The same is true on commercial shoots. Some will say "well this isn't really what I want to do and I imagine its not what you want to do but let's give it our best shot". Others can barely raise a grunt and they are doing it for the money and I feel like slapping them as it can reflect on us! I still throw my all into every job whether its one like that or a student photographer or a tf job or a well paid job. You will get my best work. OK I can't jump around if I a being the mortgage advisor but I will give my best authentic smile and expression for as long as it takes to get the right shot; I push myself to believe I am that person with the smiley face that gets you to trust the company even though deep down it's crap. I think that true of many many models here. We are able to do that because we work at it full time (as I said this is not applicable to me now but it was before starting my PhD). Gia was different. She was a drug addict, arguably a naricissist, had mental health issues and was very highly paid so had the time to shoot for free when she wanted to. But yes she was incredible; one in a thousand . Go ahead find one nobody is saying if you can get that you shouldn't. I'd like to have seen Gia have to be the mortgage girl; or the latex fetish shoot and love it and do it for free Sometimes you get actors like that that will do things fro free - but it is more likely to be the ones who were like Gia at the top of the tree anyway. Sometimes you may even get a person off the street and they will be brilliant actors. And sometimes you can use paid actors and they are terrible. As a photographer you may be in charge of the casting of the actor in your images. Look for your Gia but you may look forever on the street or asking people to do it for free. Maybe ask an Agency if you can shoot a girl for free if you think she may be the one for your project. Worth a try. But by the same token you may want to be more realistic. The two models I cited earlier have inspired fantastic art but they are journeymen professionals. They would not be suitable for everyone; but one can see they have added that unquantifiable factor that sometimes can be the result of their 'aura' but other times it is the result of craft and great understanding of Art themselves. I could cite a hundred like them here on MM that I know of. It is pretty obvious by looking at their port how much they have inspired those who have paid them to shoot; and enabled them to develop their craft so they can work at optimum level all the time. No stiffness about them; no lack of expression or bored looks. They are artists. Not all models; even professionals are. Some are clothes horses; some are beautiful; some are great bodies. Some of those can perform when they are inspired by the photographer or the money. And then others are artists in their own right who will do their best for your Art. To do that in the long term they need to be paid. And do get paid. Not a great deal maybe. What you need to do as photographers is to work out which of the models here are likely to add something; be the right choice for you; be a muse. That will develop your craft and Art too; take it to the next level. The model who can give yiou that lift and inspiration. If you have reached a point where you can do that whether the girl is paid or not then you have either reached your potential or as I say need to step it up again. Every artists needs inspiration. And that is what models are supposed to be for. If they are not giving it you you need to find that Gia; whether you pay her or not. The question only remains if that girl that can add something and you almost certainly know it enough to approach her; then does it really matter if she tells you her rates? If that is all she does then maybe beware; but she should also be asking at point of contact what your project is about and giving their input. generally at that stage you know when you have found the right one. And you can't do that via an Agency; so this is the advantage of MM. But I think for the assumption to be made that a model is mercenary because she expects payment for her all isn't valid. Many make great financial sacrifice to do it and continue to invest in themselves - again just like a photographer does. If she remains professional it is because some clearly do find she is worth it. If you think we can't add to your work perhaps you shouldn't be booking models at all. Perhaps you need other inspiration. But please do not suggest that we should inspire you for free when we are worth it. If we are not worth it to you personally - then you don't have to book us. But to suggest that if we charge we cannot do Art is rather a strange argument. As I said what I have personally found is that what the photographer means when they complain about rates is I can't afford £100 an hour. But because that usually means half a day plus prep time etc then it is much effort for £100 . What I find is that if you book them for a whole day they will negotiate a great deal as they are after a day's work because that is what it takes to sustain as as professionals. And other aspects of modelling provide it without question. If we are not worth it to you stop complaining just get on and book your tf girls. xx
Model Summit 2011 in Events
What is Model Summit you ask? Model Summit is a 2-day Meet/Greet/Casting Call held since 2006 around the country once a year...most recently in Houston, Texas in 2010. Model Summit will be held this year on October 15th and 16th, in Harrisburg, PA. On its' 5th Anniversary Model Summit is returning to its roots in Central PA! This year's event location will be disclosed September 30th. Due to recent weather issues, there are currently 2 different locations that are being looked into in the event that the original location will not be ready. We will know the exact location by September 30th, 2 weeks prior to the event. What to expect: Model Summit 2011 is designed to be a collaboration of models, photographers, make-up artists, and businesses interested in working with members of our industry for various projects. It is designed as a Meet/Greet/Casting Call, so come prepared to impress potential clients, and essentially be interviewed, and interview yourself, people within our industry to work with. There will be some opportunity for some limited shooting while at the event. Details will be provided. Some of the current projects being interviewed for photographers, models, and make-up artists: Body Painting Shoots Lingerie Calendar Swimsuit Calendar Poker Shoot Tattoo Calendar Bike Calendar Mess in a Dress Wood Nymphs Hot Cars, Hot Girls Calendar Boudoir Circus Theme Shoot Sexy Sports Calendar Waterfall Sexy Fantasy Calendar And many more... Model Summit 2011 also presents an opportunity for you - photographers, models, and make-up artists- to bring your own ideas to seek out potential collaborators for your own personal ideas as well. This event will enable you to plan ahead, schedule, and work on projects potentially throughout the coming year, so don't miss this opportunity! We will be announcing Featured Attendees, schedules, and other details over the next two weeks so stay tuned! There is limited space available so please be sure to register for the event as soon as possible. How to register: There is no fee to register, however, October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, and we simply ask that attendees make a donation of any amount upon attending to the Susan G. Komen for the Cure Donation Box that will be present during the event. Models, Photographers, and Make-Up Artists are asked to send the following information to modelsummit@gmail.com MODELS Full Name (Actual Name plus Alias if applicable - example: Jane Doe aka Sly Fox) Age (under 18 requires an adult to accompany you) Email address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Experience level (Amateur, Some Experience, Professional) Model Website address (Model Mayhem, Personal site, MissOnline, OneModelPlace, etc.) PHOTOGRAPHERS Full Name (Actual Business Name and Full Name - example: JD Fotos by John Doe) Email Address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Experience level (Amateur, Some Experience, Professional) Photography Website Address (Personal, Model Mayhem, MissOnline, etc.) MUAs Full Name (Actual Business Name and Full Name - example: Make-Up by JD by Jane Doe) Email Address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Experience level (Amateur, Some Experience, Professional) Website Address (Personal, Model Mayhem, MissOnline, etc.) BUSINESSES Full Name of Business Contact Person Email Address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Website Address List any Projects in which you are seeking to use models, photographers, and/or make-up artists. (Please note if they are PAID, UNPAID, or other terms of compensation) For speedy acknowledgement of your registration please make sure you send all the information completed and correctly the first time. If you have any questions, please contact me at 832.722.1248 or email at modelsummit@gmail.com We look forward to seeing you there!
Why models should get paid more models thoughts? in Model Colloquy
This needs to be a sticky on MM! So well written and correct. I'm not opposed to paying models and have. Not the $100.00 or more rate but I have and will pay. When, I was in Texas I did several nude shoots at dirty and abandoned factories and farms. The models I paid were worth their weight in gold for being willing to be nude in those crazy spots. However many also worked free and guess what. They also looked great. As for experienced models. Lets all be candid its all about how you like a models look. I have no ideal how experienced a model is or isn't based on a few shots. This year, I worked with a former Elite model who's been in Elle. Another commercial model who's done ads. Neither were concerned with me paying them anything. In fact many agency models test all the time for free with agency and non agency approved photographers. They do fashion, glamor and yes even nudes all for free. This ideal that paying a model may get you better images is false. No model, I've ever worked with gave me any tips on lighting or composition either. That said there are some very good reasons to pay some models. If you are planning to take your book to a agency yet don't have strong models to show and can't get them TF. Then pay. Right or wrong a fashion photographers book is as much judged by his imagery as by models used. If you are going to advertising agencies this is also important. Yet paying models as you build those skills is often a waste of cash. As for nudes. Simply because a model is willing to pose nude doesn't mean that photographers can or will pay them. Content providers for example can't usually pay much because the price for content is next to nothing. Yet, I understand how some models feel. They can't eat or pay bills with photos and even with great photos don't want to spend the time to create those images without payment. That also makes sense. I and many others simply can't pay them or they are beyond our ability to pay.
Why models should get paid more models thoughts? in Model Colloquy
So why comment in a thread asking for models opinons? Not that what you say is not necessarily true; but in certain - in fact most - circumstances the photographer is going to learn more quickly by paying an experienced pro model; and a model is going to learn more quickly paying an experienced pro photographer. If you have models willing to shoot tf that is great. Most of us don't have the time to do it regularly and we get asked all the time. Say no and give rates and most of the time the photographer is willing to pay. Especially if a third party is involved. Now yes you can probably book one of the girls who shoots tf with you to do a job for a third party client; but what if she then gets another job on the same day? Flake. If the photographer is getting paid for the job he needs 100% reliability and gets that by paying a pro and its correct she gets reimbursed as well as he. I mean it is not so applicable to me now but when in London there was no way I had time to shoot tf. And yes it meant having to put a job with a gwc or a basic commerical photographer ahead of a tf possibility with a great photographer but it paid the bills. If that is running around demanding money and I didn't learn how to model then there must be an awful lots of mugs around willing to pay as you imply. Of course; the truth is they aren't any more mugs than the models who do tf. It is just that sometimes an arrangement can and should be paid in either direction. TF can be and is an option but may not be a reliable or sensible arrangement especially when a third party and deadlines are involved. So for example you ask me to shoot tf. Yes great port; would be great to have your images in mine. In fact' I would love it and need a port update. So I email you and ask then you say sure next tuesday. Then you get a commercial job. You cancel because you have to take the paid job. NOW IF I had been paying you for the day you wouldn't have cancelled would you? Same for models. You look at my port and like it so book me and yes I like your work so it's tf. Then I get a weeks work modelling elsewhere. I cancel because I can't turn it down see? No probs in either case rearrangements can be made but NOT when a third party is involved. And the truth is generally that is the case OR a photographer has a market or client involved or will sell the image in other ways. If he can't then the model should be paying. The reason I say this is that nearly all the tf shoots I discussed with photographers when I started never came off because always either they or I were too busy at the last minute. So I found it wasn't easy to arrange despite mutual willingness. I just could not afford to not give priority to the paid work or neither could they. As soon as money is on the table in either way then cancellation becomes less likely. That is not to dismiss any of the points you have made; except the one about models running around demanding money. Usually the photographer gets a job and pays a model because that job is shooting a model at a hotel drinking champagne on the patio; or a shoe shop brochure in which only legs are seen; or a smiley mortgage company ad or something similar. Boring for both but again pays the bills of both. Models don't even get to see those shots let alone even want to use them in a port and want paying for the effort. In the case of the latter yes of course that is whay we may need to shoot with more artistic photographers like you tf. But that isn't often; though all models may need to from time to time yes. Using your band anology its like this. Yep a band needs to practice. But when they don't get to the lofty elite level where they get a lucrative record contract after a while but are still competent muiscians and get asked to do lots of events like bars and parties and balls and cruises then they ask money and rightly so! They take that work eventually rather than keeping plugging away doing supports to bigger bands for nothing. They still may go into a recording studio very occasionally when offered it for free or they even pay; but they have reached the level where they know that is purely for their own artistic reasons and have few pretensions to stardom. If they want to stay musicians they take the paying gigs.
Why models should get paid more models thoughts? in Model Colloquy
I bet if you took a poll of professionals here they would not be far off and that is what counts. If someone wants me for an hour I am going to charge £75 plus travel. Which is about $100. Two hours I charge £100. The problem is that by taking a job for an hour or two you can lose a day's week or month gig. So what a model needs is a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. I thus charge £145 a day because I am happy to work eight hours as long as I get that day's work. Anything less is insanity - an hours work is no good unless it pays that. I will work for less than that IF it is local and ongoing. Hence most of us do the local art institution at £50 for two hours because they book us for ten weeks on wednesday night. Photographers rarely give that kind of work. We may indeed only have 3 or 4 paying gigs a month at $100 an hour from photographers. BUT unless we are elite editorial models or have huge boobs photographers will only provide maybe 30% of our work if that. Photographers do not appear to realise that modelling for photographers is only part of what we do. I was 100% employed most of the time for two years in London. 3 or 4 days or half days a week I would work at Agent Provocateur . A day or evening a week a boutique or designer modelling creations for clients. Then there were fashion trade shows whether its Erotica or the Clothes Show Live or London Fashion week regularly. Such events offer a massive range of modelling beyond the obvious catwalk stuff for the elite too. There is all the fitting stuff, plus very bar wants models and every designer wants models for social events in the evenings. Then most evenings and some days I would be at the same regular Art Institution gigs; plus then for individual renowned artists and sculptors. Then other girls I know do similar but they may also dance and act and get modelling gigs where that is involved; whether it is doing that as part of the act or on the door for a burlesque event or music industry party. Then there is promotions modelling (two weeks solid work promoting mobile phones or perfume in a mall or wearing a sash on the podium at a sports event) ; plus lifestyle modelling stuff where a health spa or small magazine books you directly and the photographer just turns up. So this work is all on going and regular generally. That makes up 70% of our paid work. Yes in the beginning to get that work we need photographers to do our port; plus we need some updates. But we don't need it every day or even every week because we are busy busy busy. Ifwe take a one or two hour job with a photographer for £25 an hour then we are almost guaranteed that we will have to turn down something more lucrative or secure from one of the above. It happened almost every time I took a photography job so they have to pay. As long as I got a days wages out of it I didn't mind losing the other work; but to do it for £50 or tf is gutting. ALL professionals will find this so hence the rates. In fact I would say that all professional models are going to have to charge that ball park figure unless they come up with the day's work model which they may do formally likemyself or by negotiation with the photographer. Few of us would expect to shoot for 8 hours at $100 an hour: the rate for an hour is there because often photographers think that is the way to save money - just to shoot for an hour. It isn't. If you say well I am only going to pay you $25 an hour but I will give you 8 hours work a model is more likely to accept because it is worth travelling and sacrificing the more regular work for. You may of course get pretty girls; or amateurs to model for less than that but then the modelling work I have described above they would not get. We as professionals get it because we have a range of crafts and skills and experience that means we have constant demand for our services other than just from photographers. If photographers do not see what those skills and talents are; and are happy to carry on with the former then fine. But don't have a go at professionals because you do not understand why we get paid. Thank you though for those photographers who do value us for our craft and individual skills rather than just as new meat or still life. xx
Arizona Desert Shoot-Nov 4-7- Scottsdale, AZ in Events
Great Lakes Workshops wrote: The Fall Arizona Desert Shoot details are finally here! This is not designed to compete with mega events in any way ! Ours is a small group shoot for the discriminating photographer that appreciates shooting lovely models with Arizona's natural landscape as the backdrop. It allows for 1:1 quality shooting time to work with each of the models to get images of a a lifetime! TWO FULL DAYS in the desert and mountains of Arizona and a day at our luxury villa by Scottsdale's famous Camelback Mountain. With a magnificently landscaped yard and pool, it is a backdrop worthy of a magazine cover. Come along with a small select group of photographers and a great group of models, as we create some stellar images. and have a lot of fun! Pics of Casa la Valencia: http://www.arizonalodgingexperts.com/pa … lencia.php Schedule: Friday, November 4, 6pm-9pm Meet & Greet Reception at Casa la Valencia Saturday, November 5, ( leave 9:00am-return 6;00pm ish) Leave Casa la Valencia for Tonto National Forest Caravan Style for a full day of shooting. We will shoot at a few locations throughout the day, with a brief lunch stop mid day. Bottled water and energy bars will be provided since there are no food facilities in the National Park.Lunch will be outside of the Park. This will be our 6th time shooting in Tonto, a wide variety of lakes,rivers,gulches, canyons and rock faced mountains! Sunday, November 6 (leave 8:00am-return 6pmish) Leave Casa la Valencia for Sedona, AZ for a day of OUTSTANDING shooting. Some of the best landcapes in the country. Red/orange wind blown rock formations (incredible). This will be a somewhat shorter day of shooting due to the longer travel times, but we will be able to get images that can only be a fantasy in other locales! This location alone is wort the trip! Monday, November 7, 9am-1pm Open shooting with all photographers and models at Casa la Valencia. Primarily outside in the landscaped gardens,pool area with the exception of the large common area. 1pm-2pm Signing of model releases by models,lunch and setting up of 1:1 private shooting sessions for the afternoon. Only those models and photographers that are scheduled will remain in the house. 2pm Conclusion of the Group Shoot. Only 1:1 shoots allowed after 2pm 2:30pm-6:30pm Private 1;1 Shoots with Models scheduled. They will be in 30 and 60 minute segments. SCHEDULED MODELS:: ( Photographer/ Model ratio-minimum of 2:1) All will be posing up to Playboy Style Nude.Some are available up to Penthouse style. Bella Moore:(AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/1637882 Carly Erin:(CA) http://www.modelmayhem.com/706336 Desert Beauty:(AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/105641 I-G (AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/839450 Kelsey Dylan:(OH) http://www.modelmayhem.com/1223875 Veronika Valentine 1 (MI) http://www.modelmayhem.com/1480683 Hunter McDermott (AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/2024191 Photographer Fee: $475 AFTER October 4 $450 if paid in Full before October 4! Can be secured with a $150 Deposit - Balance of the $450 to be paid before October 4 * In an effort to have a high quality shoot and enjoyable experience for all, we are limiting this shoot to TEN photographers ONLY! ** Fee includes approximate shooting time of TWELVE HOURS of 1:1 shooting with all NUDE MODELS over the three days. (Approximately four hours each day.). Private shooting sessions are additional and optional, and may include more erotic style nudes in a more intimate setting. *Private Shooting Sessions on Monday afternoon: (all models ) 60 min- $100 30 min-$60 *Unlimited Model Releases-Available from models on Monday @ $15 each INCLUDES: Friday's Meet & Greet Reception, Three days of shooting with all models, and transportation to/ from shooting locations from Casa la Valencia on Saturday and Sunday. Bottled Water / Snacks on both days in the desert, and snacks/refreshments at Casa la Valencia. NOT INCLUDED-Transportation to/from Phoenix, hotel accommodations, meal expenses other than outlined and anything not specifically covered. I am happy to recommend a few hotel accommodations in the area, as well as a local taxi service Casa la Valencia is very close to the Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport! Many hotels in North Phoenix and Scottsdale are very closeby and within easy commuting to Casa la Valencia. Questions...........? Rick Pickert land-414.988.9747 cell-857.225.0322 PayPal: ricpickert@hotmail.com 414.988.9747 cell-857.225.0322
Arizona Desert Shoot-Nov 4-7- Scottsdale, AZ in Events
The Fall Arizona Desert Shoot details are finally here! This is not designed to compete with mega events in any way ! Ours is a small group shoot for the discriminating photographer that appreciates shooting lovely models with Arizona's natural landscape as the backdrop. It allows for 1:1 quality shooting time to work with each of the models to get images of a a lifetime! TWO FULL DAYS in the desert and mountains of Arizona and a day at our luxury villa by Scottsdale's famous Camelback Mountain.(Approximately TWELVE FULL HOURS of shooting all scheduled with our gorgeous models.for this planned event.) Casa la Valencia, luxuriously furnished,cwith a magnificently landscaped yard and pool, it is a backdrop worthy of any magazine cover. Come along with a small select group of photographers and a great group of models, as we create some stellar images and have a lot of fun in the process! Pics of Casa la Valencia: http://www.arizonalodgingexperts.com/pa … lencia.php Schedule: Friday, November 4, 6pm-9pm Meet & Greet Reception at Casa la Valencia Saturday, November 5, ( leave 9:00am-return 6;00pm ish) Leave Casa la Valencia for Tonto National Forest Caravan Style for a full day of shooting. We will shoot at a few locations throughout the day, with a brief lunch stop mid day. Bottled water and energy bars will be provided while in the Park,since there are no food facilities in the National Park. We will stop for lunch mid day outside of the Park. This will be our 6th time shooting in Tonto, a wide variety of lakes, rivers, gulches, canyons and rock faced mountains! A gorgeous variety of some of the area's most beautiful natural scenery. Sunday, November 6 (leave 8:00am-return 6pmish) Leave Casa la Valencia for Sedona, AZ (approxiamtely two hours by car) for a day of OUTSTANDING shooting. Some of the best landscapes in the country. Red/orange wind blown rock formations (incredible). This will be a somewhat shorter day of shooting due to the longer travel times, but we will be able to get images that can only be a fantasy in other locales! This location alone is worth the trip! Monday, November 7, 9am-1pm Open shooting with all photographers and models at Casa la Valencia. Primarily outside in the landscaped gardens,pool area with the exception of the large common area. 1pm-2pm Signing of model releases by models,lunch and setting up of 1:1 private shooting sessions for the afternoon. Only those models and photographers that are scheduled will remain in the house. 2pm Conclusion of the Group Shoot. Only 1:1 shoots allowed after 2pm 2:30pm-6:30pm Private 1;1 Shoots with Models scheduled. They will be in 30 and 60 minute segments. SCHEDULED MODELS:: ( Photographer/ Model ratio-minimum of 2:1) All will be posing up to Playboy Style Nude. Some are available up to Penthouse style. Bella Moore:(AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/1637882 Carly Erin:(CA) http://www.modelmayhem.com/706336 Desert Beauty:(AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/105641 I-G (AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/839450 Kelsey Dylan:(OH) http://www.modelmayhem.com/1223875 Veronika Valentine 1 (MI) http://www.modelmayhem.com/1480683 Hunter McDermott (AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/2024191 Photographer Fee: $475 AFTER October 4 $450 if paid in Full before October 4! Can be secured with a $150 Deposit - Balance of the $450 to be paid before October 4 * In an effort to have a high quality shoot and enjoyable experience for all, we are limiting this shoot to TEN photographers ONLY! ** Fee includes approximate shooting time of TWELVE HOURS of 1:1 shooting with all NUDE MODELS over the three days. (Approximately four hours each day.). Private shooting sessions are additional and optional, and may include more erotic style nudes in a more intimate setting. *Private Shooting Sessions on Monday afternoon: (all models ) 60 min- $100 30 min-$60 Indoor private shooting allowed in the master bedroom and master back including glass blocked walk in double shower! *Unlimited Model Releases-Available from models on Monday @ $15 each INCLUDES: Friday's Meet & Greet Reception, Three days of shooting with all models, and transportation to/ from shooting locations from Casa la Valencia on Saturday and Sunday. Bottled Water / Snacks on both days in the desert, and snacks/refreshments at Casa la Valencia. NOT INCLUDED-Transportation to/from Phoenix, hotel accommodations, meal expenses other than outlined and anything not specifically covered. There are numerous hotel accommodations within 3 miles in different price ranges,from budget to luxury. I am happy to recommend a few hotel accommodations in the area, as well as a terrific Scottsdale taxi service. Restaurants are plentiful in the area at all price ranges. Casa la Valencia is very close to the Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport! Many hotels in North Phoenix and Scottsdale are very closeby and within easy commuting to Casa la Valencia. Questions...........? Rick Pickert land-414.988.9747 cell-857.225.0322 PayPal: ricpickert@hotmail.com 414.988.9747 cell-857.225.0322 Bella Moore (AZ) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100412/21/4bc3f8f84922d.jpg[/img] Carly Erin (CA) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100227/06/4b89331495c71.jpg[/img] Desert Beauty (AZ) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/081024/11/4901e6960b35b.jpg[/img] I-G (AZ) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110610/23/4df3072fa5381.jpg[/img] Kelsey Dylan (OH) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/090803/07/4a76f39533118.jpg[/img] Veronika Valentine1(MI) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110810/06/4e4280f79ee47.jpg[/img] Heather Mc Dermott (AZ) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110620/17/4dffed09904b6.jpg[/img]
I'm coming to visit, wanna pay me? in General Industry
Those two concepts (model's enthusiasm & model's compensation) are not mutually exclusive. I've had models who were very excited by the concepts that I wanted to try, and I've had well paid models pose as if they were mentally somewhere else. Look, you don't have to pay models if you don't want to. You may never get an opportunity to work with top talents, but that's okay if you are satisfied. But unless you work with top talent, you may never know what you are missing. Regarding copyrights -- I'm talking more in the abstract. In fact, let me talk generically (i.e. not directed specifically at Tony) -- I'm just saying that a collaboration is a collaboration, but photographers tend to get awfully possessive once the last exposure is made. If it was really a collaboration, then... ... The copyright could be shared (all parties would profit), ... The model's watermark goes on the image with the photographer's, ... Any revenue brought in would be shared, ... The model could edit the image as she sees fit, ... In fact, the model would get RAW copies of all the images, ... The model could sell autographed copies, ... etc. But that doesn't happen very often. When photographers say "collaborations", I think they are talking about something entirely different. It just sounds like you are making the model take on some roles that they are not prepared to take on. Especially traveling model -- it is a super-long shot for a model not familiar to your area to help you find a location. That's crazy. I understand collaboration. I understand teamwork. I've been on small teams & large teams. I've had (and still have) partners. I've led small teams. I've led huge teams of thousands of people (many of whom were paid better than I). But the role of the team leader is always to provide the vision & direction and to inspire enthusiasm. I know how to get the best work out of the people on the team. Whatever works for you is fine for you -- I'm just saying that most traveling models would be unprepared to "collaborate" with you the way you describe. And for me, it just feels like the photographer is not really experiencing the creative process is he is depending on the model for concept, location, etc. (But that's just my opinion, of course).
San Diego Top Model Shoot 9/25 in Events
Are you a local San Diego/LA photographer and want to hire the AllStarzz models for an intimate private shoot session? Not interested in the 2 day shootout where you can shoot ALL the models? Then maybe the Private Sessions is for you! At AllStarzz! our aim is to bring the best models of the highest caliber for photographers of all experience levels. We provide the locations, the models, the food, and all you need to bring is your camera equipment!! Hire the AllStarzz models for an intimate private shoot session. HTTP://www.AllStarzz.com/Private-Sessions <-------- Click for more information Registration: $75 To Book a model directly visit http://allstarzz.com/bookings Once you have booked and payed for your model, we will invoice you a registration fee. As soon as you pay your registration fee, we will confirm and accept your booking. Models do have the full right to refusal for any bookings. If you you are refused for any reason, your payments will be refunded. All model release fees must be paid in cash to the model in person the day of the event. Please make sure you have an up to date model release for the models to sign. Models may require to see your release before accepting your booking. SESSIONS INCLUDE: Amazing Location Access Lunch & Beverages Provided Access to the AllStarzz Models COST: Implied: $50/half hour + $25 model release (required) Nude: $75/half hour + $35 model release (required) PRIVATE SESSIONS Session 1 10:00 AM 10:30 AM Session 2 10:45 AM 11:15 AM Session 3 11:30 AM 12:00 PM Session 4 12:15 PM 12:45 PM LUNCH 12:45 PM 1:45 PM Session 5 2:00 PM 2:30 PM Session 6 2:45 PM 3:15 PM Session 7 3:30 PM 4:00 PM Session 8 4:15 PM 4:45 PM Session 9 5:00 PM 5:30 PM Session 10 5:45 PM 6:15 PM If you have any questions, feel free to comment or contact us directly at info@allstarzz.com
Model Rates... in Model Colloquy
I worked at most of the major London Art institutions for two years. In that time I saw dozens of agency models and one or two well known ones. Sometimes they were drawing us; sometimes watching and questioning, sometimes there were two or three and with the agent. I heard of super models doing it but admittedly never saw them though it was on tv. Then sometimes they came to practice pose. I didn't see any modelling school people no and yes to some extent can agree in that respect re modelling schools - but don't think these girls you speak of aren't well coached. Then I and others regularly worked fashion events with Agency models getting paid a lot more than us; but sometimes the younger ones do it for nothing to learn. I think the problem is that photographers don't see any of this so they don't think its happening. The job is to sell the clothes. Yes your pics may sell them but who do you think is selling to the client on the floor? The 16 year old Vogue model or the £2k a day Agency model? Or someone they grab off the street? No they are using journeymen models. It is YOUR choice whether you use us or not those who are wise do. All models can learn from Art models or studying Art and Fashion and the good ones do. In fact I think some of the top editorial models are a bit one dimensional; little expression or pose ability but then again that kind of modelling is completely different - it is about that unquantifiable 'look'. But they would be lost without a good photographer, stylist, lots of direction. Most hobby photographers haven't got that; most busy pros or semi pros can't as you rightly say have a model who flops and is stiff on the day. Your travelling model was stiff? what kind of pro model is stiff? Who is talking about using duckfaces? I am talking about using girls who know how to model rather than try to coach someone who doesn't.
Dissatisfaction to the contribution made to models in General Industry
hello, i have modeled for about a year now. I just moved from the caribbean after living for 5 yrs and i am currently living in texas. i intend to do some upcoming shows and none of them are paying. The purpose of a model is to bring a designer's vision to life. IT IS A JOB! Its disheartening to know models do not receive compensation for what they do in the fashion world. Without models the vision of designers and photographers alike would be lifeless and dull, in which mannequins would probably be used. AND I BET THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY MONEY TO USE THEM. People must understand it takes money to get to casting calls and shows, it takes money to keep our wardrobe up to par, it takes money to keep our hair and skin in good condition and PLEASE LET US NOT FORGET THE ENDLESS ARRAY OF SHOES WE MUST BUY TO KEEP "THE LOOK" IN SYNC. Coming out of the Caribbean, fashion is slowly on the rise and designers and show operators are willing to pay models for the TIME they put in to ENTERTAIN THE PUBLIC. It is time for AMERICA to do the same. When it comes to money AMERICA is always the last the catch on. i can understand a charity event or you are launching you're very first line. i am all for a good cause, but when you know you just bagging the money for yourself. THAT IS JUST SELFISH AND IMMORAL. We must all learn to act professional and rational. And please this whole thing about EXPOSURE, it is getting old. Hey, if it is up to the model not to get paid well good for her. If models need photographers to get EXPOSURE, well they should pay the photographer. (funny how that works huh) Photographers want to update their portfolio, they want free models. Models want their portfolio updated they must pay. AND THAT SHOULD NOT BE! People are starting to take advantage of this EXPOSURE THING, and models have fallen into this scheme. I don't know which model falls into the "models are stupid and lack education" stigma, but i am not apart of them. Even though i am 18, i am well educated, and have a VOICE. I love to model and thats why i do it, but if you are talented i believe you deserve something more than a thank you and i'll cast you into my next show (which i am not paying you). Models are more than just this thing that walks in heels. We are the employees of designers, photographers and muas. It's understandable when you as the artist know you are not "cash" benefiting from a project, but when and if you are, YOU must step up to the plate and literally PAY homage to those who you NEEDED to make it all possible. thank you and have a blessed day
Need advice on tour-planning in General Industry
You're very fortunate to have two very extraordinary models who've already posted on your thread with advice. LauraUnbound has an excellent rep and MK probably spends more time on the road than at "home". Anything they say is golden, it's advice they've learned the hard way and both are well networked in the traveling model community so it probably reflects experiences they've heard from others too. I, am not a model nor do I play one on TV. However, here are my tips as a former vagabond photojournalist and in my multiple conversations with traveling models: 1. Start with baby steps. MadameKitty and others make it look easy. It's not. Start with a 2-3-4 day trip to a major city that you have ties with (maybe a former college roommate, a cousin--someone you can stay with). You want to eliminate some of the details you'd normally have to worry about. B/c you want to discover if you like sleeping on sofas, living out of a backpack, eating bananas as a big part of your diet and relying on your phone for your internet/news/schedule (and the need to keep it charged and up or turned off at all the appropriate times). If you can manage a 2-4 day trip in a friendly city and not go insane than the possibility of visiting a less pedestrian-friendly place with all strangers for a week is more do-able. 2. Travel light and flexibly. I've seen some traveling models go on 1-2 month trips and they have a backpack and a shoulder bag. That's all their clothes for the trip, makeup, lingerie, toiletries, essential business items (phone, charger, laptop), sanity material (music or book or magazine or painting kit or camera), tampons, medicine, jacket, modeling props, and some food. And it's all light enough to carry for a mile. 3. Schedule so you have minimal expenses. Rather than book a lot of paid shoots and stay in a hotel and buy your own tickets, it's better to trade for lodging and airfare/busfare. One traveling model told me of a trip to LA, she had 8 paid shoots booked and 7 of them canceled. She ended up having to call her parents to have them wire money so she could get home. There will always be cancelations--even if photographers are reliable. You'll sprain an ankle, directions will get confused, the subway will be on-strike, it will rain, your flight will get delayed, you'll get sick, the photographer will get sick. Plan your trips so you end up spending as little money as possible. 4. If you can make connections so you get in a workshop, that's a win-win. First, workshops can be tiring but also decent money. Second, it gives you exposure (which can lead to more business in the area). Third, workshops can cancel but usually you have lots of lead time if it's a reputable...they usually have this down to a science and will have a decision date a couple of weeks (or even a month or so) out. Which allows you to decide of the trip is going to happen or not. 5. Other models who are local are your friend, not your competition. You'd be surprised how many models are willing to provide housing with vagabond models who are visiting their town. Or they're interested in doing a tandem shoot and are just looking for another model (i.e.: you) that also gives you a paying gig. Or they also shoot and will trade you sleeping space and meals for some of your posing time. Or they'll offer advice about what photographers they like working with and which ones they stay away from. 6. There are lots of business models for a traveling gig. There are a couple of models who rent a car and then travel in an area (one I know of did NC, Va, DC, MD, Pennsylvania on one trip). Obviously that's more expense but then you've got wheels AND have a bigger market (but scheduling is a bigger issue). I don't know your rates but I personally think it's better to offer people a discount for a 1/2 day or full day shoot. Think of it this way: if you charge by the hour (and you're in a strange area without wheels) you can do a 2 hour shoot with photographer A, a 3 hour shoot with photographer B and a 2 hour shoot with photographer C....with scrambling for cabs and metro as you travel around the area (b/c you'll mostly be going to them). Or you can book with one photographer for less money but spend less cab/train money, be less hectic (which over a couple of weeks of travel would affect your sanity I think), and focus more on the modeling and less on the "getting from A to B" and worrying that if you're late it will affect your reputation or a photographer may figure you're flaking and drive off. That's my opinion anyway Best of luck! Ed
Photographers: How Do You Afford to Pay Models? in Photography Talk
Watch this space, Read the copyright law, thiers a clue in that, a model must receive something either images or money, as a payment as both show that a model has been paid, Personally I will only pay a highly experienced model, someone I can describe what I want to shoot and the model understand and can turn the switch, to me if the model cant do that then to me she isnt professioanl enough for me to pay her, I have worked with some really great models both paid and TF, currently I feel I have judged it right, When I started out I needed experience so paying a model a £10 a hour and the charge for the studio yeah it hurt but it got me the images under control I needed, Now I feel well experienced and can pass my experience on so why should I pay simple now I still pay for getting the very best, their are still some models I want to work with, if I need to I pay for their tiem but I realise I need to save, so to me I will admit I might only sometimes shoot six to eight shoots ayear but then they will be great shoots I have been lucky as found a couple of models that when we work together is magic and results are really great so I have spoke with th models and offered a percentage split of money earnt from moeny made that way we both work hard to get really great images in the mean time the model get high quailty images, I get a great model without any delays as I know they will show up as we are both happy this is the cost of my experience in paying for models, I dont regret paying any model just at the same time like to get TF shoots as well. does depend on what you wanna take,
For the Photograpers... in General Industry
I don''t worry about paying clients much. Family, pets etc get away with a lot because I am taking their money. Sometimes things that would otherwise drive me nutsis tolerated because these people are giving me money. Dogs get away with even more because they are family. I normally shoot for the pleasure of photography. I absolutely love it so I do a lot of TF, so I am less likely to deal with cetains because I don't have to do it. A model, MUA etc gets one shot at correcting the term 'tog.' If they call me that in their initial contact, I will refer to myself as a photographer in my response. If their next message contains 'tog' I usually find that I am busy when they want to shoot. Another thing that is a deal breaker for me is netspeak. I am usually pretty easy to get along with but you must speak, understand and write at least one recognized language. "WTF my bf does not want me nifoc, Is that a prob?" Is not one of those languages. The other day I got a message from a model who wants to work with me. I looked at her profile before responding. It says in her profile that she will do nudes but she will not take her clothes off for free. I responded to her by saying I'd love to work with her but most of the concepts I have in mind require at least a little nudity and since I am not in a position to pay models, I will have to pass. She responded by saying she would waive the fee in order to work with me. I sent her four basic concepts I had in mind and said if she would do one of them, I will do on that a concept that she also wants to do. That way we both come away with something we want. She wrote back saying she was disappointed that all four of my ideas require nudity but she will take me up on the offer to just shoot the concept she has in mind. That shoot's not going to happen. Models have to read everything too. The people I look forward to working with are the models who have some ideas, but also the ones who hear one of my concepts and say "holy fu.....what if we...: Molels with ideas of their own, or ideas to improve one of my concepts steal my heart every time. I like models who are willing to talk stuff through. Three times now I've nudes with models who will never shoot nudes.Two who I'd shot with before, had asked if I had any concepts in mind that they could shoot 'this weekend.' In both cases I did but they required nudity. In both cases they asked what the concept was and when I told them, the wanted to, and did, shoot the photo. Recently I was working on a photo that didn't require a model but once I got the image finished I thought it would be spectacular with a nude model. Just so happened I was chatting with a model that evening. I showed her the image I'd just shot and explained how I did it and that I want to do it with a nude model. She said, "Shit... I'll be right back." She came back a minute later and said, "You're not doing that photo with anyone but me." I said, "You don't do nudes." She said, "I just talked to my husband likes you and trusts you. He said I can do whatever I want. I want to do that picture. I am going on vacation until September 3. Can we di it when I get back?" I like enthusiasm. Models never have to bring their own concepts to a shoot but if they do, thats awesome. If they come up with ideas to make my concepts better, so much the better. Models who have lists of favorite images on their profile page get my attention. Models who go out of their way to make the shoot better or more fun get cookies. Its great when a model is absolutely beautiful but physical beauty takes second place to enthusiasm and model-smarts. A real message gets my attention. An "Interested" emails does not.
Photographs for applying to agencies in Model Colloquy
The answer is there is no "one size fits all" answer. And for clarity I think we can limit the discussion to a new model being presented to a fashion agency. I think we all agree that a commercial agency expects a model to bring in a more complete set of tools (pictures, comp cards, etc.) even when they are getting started. As Jean said, 16, 5'10, mamma wants to take you to the doctor thin, so stunning your face will launch a thousand ships (and with a very strong personality that you can easily project)? Front of the line, but you're still going to get immediately tested by agency recommended photographers. Potential models like this are actually very rare, but they do exist (it's possible that Jean has actually met one of these rare birds, ya think?) But I don't think that is where the OP was going with this discussion. What does a model who meets the basic agency standards (age, height, body proportions, and unique beauty) need when he/she goes in to visit with the new face division? As a photographer working with the model, what do you tell them? If you're Jean or Stefano, or any of a number of others posting in this string, sure, the agency will expect the model to have some images with them. If you've never placed a model with an agency before, don't have agency models using your image in their books, it's probably best to just go in with the model and let the agency do the digitals (Polaroids, whatever, we still say "dial the number" when no one still living has seen a dial phone). FYI, we tend to get all hung up on images, do you need them, do you not? (Well of course, we are photographers!). There are other things you can (and should) discuss with a prospective model before the agency visit to help prepare them for the interview. Remind them to have a simple bathing suit in their bag (often the agency wants to do at least a couple of the Polaroids in a swimsuit, shows the body and legs cleanly). Talk to them about talking, expressing their interest in working with the agency, smile, show some personality. And don't you talk when they ask the model a question, let the model know he/she is supposed to answer for themselves. Tell the model not to overdo the makeup, keep their skin clean so the agency can see their complexion. Ask them to dress neatly, don't overdo the clothes, and don't look like a tramp. It is after all, a job interview. And let them know before they go in that they may be asked to go to work immediately. They have to be prepared to live close to the agency, and they may have to travel to work and to go to other markets to get developed. A lot of people think they would like to be a fashion model, most are hardly prepared to make the absolute personal commitment required to be successful. So much has changed in the US which has made the agencies here less productive, too many clerks, not enough really sharp people at the agency level. Our culture has meant that more women expect to go to college (a really good thing), but that also means that fewer Americans are actually candidates for fashion modeling. The girls coming out of Europe and South America dominate the business now, they come to the (American) agencies fully developed in their local markets (local as in Paris, Milan, London, Sao Paulo, etc.). This means the big fashion agencies here (US) aren’t as strong doing new face development as they were in the past (my opinion). I think this is the reference frame Jean Renard has when he talks about a new (American) model needing more tools before they get signed. Different markets, different countries, different requirements to solve the problem. It’s a little like the blind guys trying to describe an elephant. It certainly depends on what end your at! I really do talk too much. Still, this is a discussion worth having. John -- John Fisher 900 West Avenue, Suite 633 Miami Beach, Florida 33139 305 534-9322 http://www.johnfisher.com
GroupShoot at the RANCH in Batavia Oh August 28th in Events
Updated Attending list Photographers: Andrew Daughtry • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/drusport • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/andrew.daughtry • Zivity link www.zivity.com/photographers/Dr_U Sean Michael Russell • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/smrussell • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000070601053 Krissie Jacobsen • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/KrizieJ • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/KrizieJ Quantum Celebrations (Mark Smithers) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/quantumcelebrations • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1444608919 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/pages/Quantum-C … 9742356292 • Website http://www.quantumcelebrations.com/ Jeremi Blurton • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/262662 • Facebook link www.facebook.com/JeremiPhoto • Website link www.jeremiblurton.com • Email link jeremi@jeremiblurton.com • Phone number 937.505.0522 Anthony Redell • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1066716 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/HeavenlyLightProductions?ref=pb Models: Krissie Jacobsen (female) • Model Mayhem http://www.modelmayhem.com/KrissieJ • Facebook http://www.facebook.com/KrizieJ Dakotah Wilkins (Female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/2310690 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/dakotahw1 • Email mamadon64@gmail.com • Phone number 937 626 9173 Stephanie Smithers (Female) • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= … mp;sk=wall Chris Dull (Male) • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000224192753 Rocky Doll (Male) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/rockydoll • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/rockydoll • Email redhotmustang9@woh.rr.com Kayla A-Lisa Roland (Female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1246495 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/KaylaALisa • Facebook Fan Page http://www.facebook.com/ACTRESS.MODEL.SINGER Ricci Fritsch (Female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1829986 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/gingerkitty0304 Make-Up Artists and Hair Stylists Melinda Henry (Make-Up) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1666953 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1079464251 Dana Marie Garcia • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= … mp;sk=info Pot Luck Lunch Items Krissie and Doug – We will be bringing bottled water and providing a grill Kayla A-Lisa Roland – green bean casserole If you do not see your name or someone elses name on this list, it is because they have not: A: Signed up and paid Or B: Notified me in what capacity they will be attending the shoot (model, photographer, MUA etc) Or C: Given me any kind of contact information
Touching the Models in Model Colloquy
Be more informed!! There is a problem in modeling, especially photo shoots, sexual harassment… Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination. From the other hand, it relates to any mental, emotional or physical pain resulted by disagreeable sexual advancement, requests for sexual favor, sexual comments or any form of verbal and/or physical sexual activity that hurts the personality or integrity. Sexual harassment/ violence in a workplace/ home are not normal but common. Her exposure to the world as individual personality has initiated her to earn her own identity. She likes to live her own and expects right to get respect. Gary W. Charpentier, the author of the article “Sexual Harassment in Modeling” says that many photographers “have had to take classes in the prevention of sexual harassment at their place of employment.” The author substantiates and delivers a strong message to all potentially involved in sexual harassment in modeling, especially photographs and promoters: “It you want to engage in behaviors that are potentially harassing, please don't do it at a photo shoot…. Take yourself into a strip club or nude bar and do your hooting, hollering, cat whistles, ogles, and other things. At least there the women expect it, and are hopefully being paid enough to put up with it… Photographers, please wake up! She is a model. Nothing more, nothing less. Treat her professionally and you will get some great photos. Keep your solicitations to yourself. Keep your hands off her.” The article was written as far back as in 1994, but today Charpentier’s seems to have been formulated just now: “photographers, the shoots are not a boys' club environment, where the girls are there for your pleasure. They are models, many of them professional quality. Treat them as professional models. Show them courtesy and respect. They appreciate it and it will show in your pictures….” Whereas most of materials on the subject have traditionally been devoted to protection of women against sexual harrassment, the article “How to avoid sexual harassment from gay agents” at http://www.campusmen.com/male-modeling/ … s-sex.html contains a kind of respective instructions for prospective male models/. The message and advice, in brief, is as follows. “Play It Smart by Keeping Quiet” - Simply make intelligent choices that help your career. After you become an established male model, always leave an agent whose priority is sex. “Don't Respond to Sexual Comments” - Often the agent's first step toward seducing a guy is to start making flirtatious comments. It's best to politely avoid these discussions from the start. “Don't Fail the Test. Avoid the Test!” - Don't make him think he has a chance. Get Reliable Info from Established male models. “Don't Be Homophobic” If you are still interested in becoming a male model, now you know some valuable theories that you can use to protect yourself and further your career. If the idea of working with unethical agents is too much for you, consider the time you save by choosing another career. Still, with some diligent street smarts, you can be successful and avoid being sexually harassed. Also, male models are advised to attend a party at an agent's home with another male model, or a group of friends; never make anti-gay statements to an agent or to other male models, never discuss the subject; never assume other male models you meet are straight; Never accuse an agent of being unscrupulous; avoid becoming close to an agent and discussing your personal life with an agent; Never discuss what you do in bed. The above set of instructions and advice can be useful for both female and male models.
Not Allowing Escort -- Unprofessional? in Model Colloquy
Dude...you are 6'3", and MALE. Aside from your absurd reasoning, and lack of experience and perspective, it absolutely astounds me that YOU would feel the need for an escort. Ahh...more fearmongering from a new model that has a bad case of Mean World Syndrome. The media has this effect on most new people that try to enter this business. They watch too much Dateline NBC and CSI, and think that's the real world. From 1990 to 1998, the murder rate went down 20 percent in America. On TV news it went up 600 percent. Turn off your television, and do some research on this topic. A TON of other models? I'm not sure where these TONS of models are hiding. The only models that TONS of US see that insist on escorts are new models on MM escort threads. Murdered at a photo shoot? WOW...extreme fearmongering at it's finest. In the last 30 years in the US and Canada, less than half a dozen models were murdered at shoots by legit photographers (legit meaning having references, legit credentials). Several more were murdered by men POSING as photographers. In these situations, a simple reference check would have saved these models lives. More models were killed by their husbands/boyfriends/ex-boyfriends than were ever killed by photographers. You literally stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning or getting killed in a car accident on the way to a shoot than being killed by a photographer if sensible safety precautions and due diligence is employed. Speaking of risk, since your escort is a complete stranger to the photographer, why should he take THAT risk? Is your safety more important than his? And models that insist on escorts is how many of us filter out the models that aren't worth the time and trouble, when we can replace you with any number of the vast majority of models that can do their job without bodyguards. Photographers that do not allow escorts are often accused of having an "absolute" policy. I hope they are reading this. The reasons that you give ARE silly. Photographers that do not allow escorts generally have much stronger safety and liability concerns. A photographer will refuse an escort for many legit reasons that are not so silly: 1. Photographers that shoot in studios have insurance. Some of these policies do not cover people that are not directly involved in the shoot. Therefore, if he/she trips over a lightstand, breaks something, or hurts himself, the photographer could be sued, or the equipment would not be covered. In the cases where studio insurancs DOES cover "bodyguards", many photographers feel that the less people hanging around the studio/shooting area that are not directly involved in the shoot, the less potential of injury/property damage incurred, and less claims they have to file. 2. Your escort is a complete stranger to the photographer. The photographer has no idea what type of temperament or disposition that your escort has. There have been photographers that have been assaulted/robbed/battered by escorts. 3. Who is watching your escort while I'm shooting with you? He could be helping himself to my expensive gear while I'm busy with you. Many photographers have had things "disappear" while shooting escorted models. 4. In many situations, the model is incapable of getting into "model mode" with an escort present, especially boyfriends or husbands. They tend to get distracted, and it shows up in the quality of the images. 5. If her escort gets sick/gets called into work/has car problems/is hungover/has family issues...etc...the shoot is OFF. When you shoot an escorted model, you have just DOUBLED the risk of the model flaking and/or canceling. Those are just a few reasons. There are more.
PotD18+ Discussion Thread in Contests
Perhaps the following excerpts from an article titled:"How To Make Your Penis Bigger For Nude Photos" found on Campusmen.com will help them: Penis Size It is common for men to use tactics to make their penis bigger when posing for Playgirl style photos. Penises appear larger than normal by making the model's penis partially erect while posing... A fluffer's goal is to keep the male model's penis erect so the model can maintain his pose. This saves time because the model avoids needing to stop posing to stroke his penis. Fluffers also avoid the need for the model to reposition his body each time he moves when getting his penis hard... How Enlargement Works: A penis appears larger than normal when partially filled with blood. The male model strokes his penis until he has a full erection. The model stops stroking and the photographer waits for the model's penis to drop down as it begins to deflate. Once the penis drops down, the photographer begins shooting photos. Although the male model starts by obtaining the fullest erection possible, his penis will not appear erect in the photographs because the photographer snaps photos after the model's penis drops down, but is still enlarged. Shots should be created after the penis points downward because photos that show the model's penis pointing upward seldom look good. The goal is to achieve a semi-hard penis for a long period of time. The photographer stops each time the model's penis becomes completely soft. Then the model makes his penis fully erect again. During a three hour photo shoot, a model may get an erection dozens of times.
GroupShoot at the RANCH in Batavia Oh August 28th in Events
This is the Official/Un-Official attending list do to the fact that I'm still waiting for responses from some people and not everyone has paid yet. Photographers: Andrew Daughtry • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/drusport • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/andrew.daughtry • Zivity link www.zivity.com/photographers/Dr_U Sean Michael Russell • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/smrussell • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000070601053 Krissie Jacobsen • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/KrizieJ • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/KrizieJ Quantum Celebrations (Mark Smithers) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/quantumcelebrations • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1444608919 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/pages/Quantum-C … 9742356292 • Website http://www.quantumcelebrations.com/ Matt Fiora • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1041846 Anthony Hereld • Facebook link www.facebook.com/Anthony.Hereld.Photography • Website link www.anthonyhereld.com • Phone number 937-710-2065 Jeremi Blurton • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/262662 • Facebook link www.facebook.com/JeremiPhoto • Website link www.jeremiblurton.com • Email link jeremi@jeremiblurton.com • Phone number 937.505.0522 Models: Krissie Jacobsen (female) • Model Mayhem http://www.modelmayhem.com/KrissieJ • Facebook http://www.facebook.com/KrizieJ Angel Anne (Female) • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/ModelAngelAnn • DeviantArt link http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&s … =angelanne Cecelia Rice (female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/ceceliac • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/ceceliac119 Denae Garcia (Female age 15) ** Guardian will present at all times** • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1534776995 • Email Surfercaligirl18@aol.com • Phone number (859)-991-4677 my cell (859)-360-4041 my mom/ escort Dakotah Wilkins (Female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/2310690 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/dakotahw1 • Email mamadon64@gmail.com • Phone number 937 626 9173 Stephanie Smithers (Female) • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= … mp;sk=wall Chris Dull (Male) ** New to modeling** • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000224192753 Curtis Grove (Male) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/2263067 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/JiggsvsCurtis • Email jiggs.k88@gmail.com Rocky Doll (Male) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/rockydoll • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/rockydoll • Email redhotmustang9@woh.rr.com Make-Up Artists and Hair Stylists Melinda Henry (Make-Up) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1666953 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1079464251 Dana Marie Garcia • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= … mp;sk=info Pot Luck Lunch Items Krissie and Doug – We will be bringing bottled water and providing a grill If you do not see your name or someone elses name on this list, it is because they have not: A: Signed up and paid Or B: Notified me in what capacity they will be attending the shoot (model, photographer, MUA etc) Or C: Given me any kind of contact information
Instruction: 8/20, 9/3, 9/17, 10/1 & 10/15 - SFBA in Events
BOB ELVIN IS BACK WITH A NEW SERIES OF WORKSHOPS FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS OF ALL LEVELS Bob Elvin is a photographer, director and videographer. He has taught photography for many, many years at universities, through the city and here at Group Photo Shoots. You can read all of the details of this event by: CLICK HERE to read Bob's biography. He is an impressive individual. This will be a series of five workshops, running every other week. You can take any individual lesson or attend the entire series. There are no pre-requesites and these classes are open to photographers of all levels. The material will be scaled to the experience of the photographers who attend. YOU CAN GET FULL DETAILS ON ALL THE CLASSES BY: CLICKING HERE. LESSON ONE - 8/20/11 - is on Studio Tools and Macro Photography. In this lesson Bob will help you achieve the basic skills you will need to work in a studio on your own, plus explain the basics of macro photography. Don't worry if you don't have a macro lens. Bob will bring one, along with a camera body, you can practice with. This class will teach you: The basics of studio photography The benefits of pack lighting over mono-lights When are mono-lights the better choice? When to use a softbox, an umbrella or other modifier? What is the most essential grip equipment to work in the studio? How do I make the shot work with the gear that I have? How do I develop confidence to do it myself? What is macro photography? What does it mean to say that the lens is "one to one?" Why is macro photography important? LESSON TWO - 9/3/11 - Backgrounds and Green Screens Lesson two is a comprehensive discussion on the use of backdrops and green screens. Bob will go into detail on the selection of background colors, textures and finishes. You will learn the secrets in making use of a green screen. Above all, you will get a clear feel for the artistic decisions which go into selecting the correct background for the subject. This class will teach you: The effects of color How does texture change your statement? Considerations for white balance when selecting a background Making meaningful decisions on the finish of the background material Understanding "White" and the reason there is more than one shade of white When to pick cloth and when to pick paper Understanding green screens Factoring green screen limitations into your shot When is a green screen the right background? When should green screen be avoided? LESSON THREE - 9/17/11 - Lighting Control Lesson three deals with one of the fundumentals of photography, lighting control. When working outdoors, at least in part, your statement is dictated by then environment you are shooting in. When working in the studio, you are the director. The purpose of this class is to help you take command of the set, meaning that you become the master of the lighting, rather than reacting and merely selecting exposure and white balance. Bob will give you a genuine feel for lighting techniques and tactics so you control the light as opposed to reacting to it. This class will teach you: Standard lighting setups The differences between forms of modifiers How to select the size and shpa fo the soft box or modifier How to flag a light to control dispersal When to use a grid, snoot or bard door to attain light control Controlling dropoff and power Coping with temperature variations due to environmental conditions Combining light sources LESSON FOUR - 10/1/11 - Portraiture / Working with Props Lesson four is all about portraits and props. It will start by teaching you the essentials of portrait photography. You'll learn about lighting, poses and more. It will expand to bring in the greatest variable, props. This is all about shooting portraits like the masters. This class will teach you: Standard lighting setups for portraits When to bring in the hair light Understanding the triangle How do you use a beauty dish effectively? When do you use a beauty dish and when do you use a softbox? Selecting softbox size for portraits How do you select a prop for a portrait? When are props appropriate? How do you avoid white balance contamination? Making the geometry of the prop work Common mistakes when using props LESSON FIVE - 10/15/11 - Bodyscapes / Creating Fine Art Lesson five concludes this series. In Lesson five you will learn to take the skills taught in the first four classes and produce fine art with a figure model. The goal of this class is to let you develop the eye to distinguish fine art from other forms of photography. The subject matter will fall back to the very basic, using the human form to create visually impressibe landscapes. Through the use of geometry and creative lighting, you will advance your skills as a fine art photographer. This class will teach you: Using light to create emotion Visualizing your statement Making the unexpected a part of your work Challenging your creative boundaries Using the pose to make the statement Using light to control the point of interest Keeping your shot fine art rather than commercial or glamour Learning to be critical, yet appreciative of your work Controlling the statement through exposure Using over-exposure and under exposure as an element of your art Lessons one through three are taught without a model. Lesson four has a model for portraits and lesson five has a figure model. YOU MAY ATTEND ANY INDIVIDUAL CLASS OR TAKE THEM ALL. THE ENTIRE SERIES OF FIVE SESSIONS IS PRICED AT $300 FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR $250 FOR MEMBERS OF THE PHOTO STUDIO CLUB YOU MUST REGISTER IN ADVANCE TO GET THE FULL SERIES PRICING PRICES FOR THE INDIVIDUAL CLASSES VARY FROM $60-$90 PER CLASS, DEPENDING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE CLASS FEATURES A MODEL. MEMBERS OF THE PHOTO STUDIO CLUB ALWAYS GET A DISCOUNT. CLICK HERETO GET FULL INFORMATION ON THE PRICING FOR EACH EVENT Visit the Photo Studio Club to get more information about the club. [img]http://photostudioclub.com/images/logo1.jpg[/img] www.photostudioclub.com TO PAY BY PAYPAL SEND YOUR PAYMENT TO INFO@GROUPPHOTOSHOOTS.COM OR YOU MAY CALL THE STUDIO TO MAKE A DIRECT PAYMENT BY CREDIT CARD. THIS EVENT STARTS AT 10:30AM GROUP PHOTO SHOOTS STUDIO B 340 BRYANT STREET, SUITE 330 SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94107 415-601-5475 Please enter the building through the open roll-up door to your far left. You will register at the table outside Studio A and will then go upstairs for your class After the class, you can join us downstairs at Studio A for lunch and to meet other members of our group. Your lunch is included in the price. While you are participating in the class upstairs, an entirely different group of photographers will be involved in a group shoot downstairs in Studio A. Lunch is a good time to get to know ohter photographers, meet models and enjoy the day. After lunch, you are welcome to remain to hire and shoot the models who were involved in the morning session in Studio A. After all of our weekend events, we keep both of our studios open until 7:00PM, to allow the photographers there to hire and shoot the models who attended that day. We call these "Private Shoots" and are your opportunity to work, one on one, with the models who are there. To shoot with a model, you simply sign up on the computer in Studio A, selecting the model you would like to work with and the length of time you want to shoot. The cost of the shoots are not included, but the models have very reasonable pricing. The minimum time to shoot with a model is just thirty minutes. If you decide you would like to work with a model, Bob will be around for a while to help you set up and work in the studio. You will get a good chance to practice your skills with a live model. 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escorts in Model Colloquy
I've seen ALL the statistics, and...again, no one is "shooting down" that statistic. The statistic is irrelevant. This topic is not about the TOTALITY of women getting raped. That is a completely different issue. This topic is about female models that employ sensible safety precautions and due diligence, and the subject of escorts, and how they relate to model safety. There is no evidence to suggest that escorts make a model safer, and there is historical precedent that models that have brought escorts were STILL subjected to inappropriate behavior. Here are 2 cases where the models brought escorts, and were STILL raped: http://articles.latimes.com/1996-01-05/ … hotographs http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … odels.html Here are two more models that brought escorts, and were STILL groped: http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/policer … 015770.php http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … &page= Here, the model's husband was present, and the model STILL was groped: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Well, you fit right into the demographic of a "model" that insists on an escort. You have a MM profile that is 2 days old, and it looks like you have done 1 shoot with 1 photographer. It doesn't surprise me that you have a bad case of Mean World Syndrome. You don't have the experience to know any better. Actually, there are PLENTY of legit reasons that a photographer would not allow an escort. 1. Photographers that shoot in studios have insurance. Some of these policies do not cover people that are not directly involved in the shoot. Therefore, if he/she trips over a lightstand, breaks something, or hurts himself, the photographer could be sued, or the equipment would not be covered. In the cases where studio insurancs DOES cover "bodyguards", many photographers feel that the less people hanging around the studio/shooting area that are not directly involved in the shoot, the less potential of injury/property damage incurred, and less claims they have to file. 2. Your escort is a complete stranger to the photographer. The photographer has no idea what type of temperament or disposition that your escort has. There have been photographers that have been assaulted/robbed/battered by escorts. 3. Who is watching your escort while I'm shooting with you? He could be helping himself to my expensive gear while I'm busy with you. Many photographers have had things "disappear" while shooting escorted models. 4. In many situations, the model is incapable of getting into "model mode" with an escort present, especially boyfriends or husbands. They tend to get distracted, and it shows up in the quality of the images. 5. If her escort gets sick/gets called into work/has car problems/is hungover/has family issues...etc...the shoot is OFF. When you shoot an escorted model, you have just DOUBLED the risk of the model flaking and/or canceling. Those are just a few reasons. There are more.
Learning to direct models in General Industry
How you direct models is central to the development of your own style. We can give you suggestions, but at its heart, each suggestion is merely what works for each of us, and the suggestion may or may not be appropriate / valid for you. So, my generic suggestion: practice, practice, practice! And while you are practicing, keep trying new ideas & evaluating how well each idea works. My specific suggestions: (In no particular order) >>> I think new photographers should work with experienced models (and yes, that sometimes means paying them). Experienced models are often self-starters, and they can move & pose without much direction if need be. They can also give you feedback from the model's perspective. Experienced / skilled models are great. >>> Something I do (which few other photographers do): I take a moment at the beginning of each setup to complete all my technical decisions. I put the camera on a tripod, I set the white balance, I figure out the exposure settings, I think about composition, I adjust the lights & background, etc. Then I step away from behind the camera, hold the cable release, and focus my eyes on the model. I'm purely interacting with the model from that point forward, and I'm not distracted by needing to pay attention to my camera. >>> I tend to give the model general direction before we start. Then, during the exposure-making time, we are talking about lots of stuff. I like engaging the model's brain, because I hate the tons of empty-headed stares we often see. Sometimes, I give the model feedback, I tell her what I see & what I want to see, and I encourage her, but we could also be talking about our other hobbies or whether we like to cook or our favorite recent movies or whatever. Keep things moving. >>> Sometimes, I can be very specific, as in "please raise your chin an inch", but sometimes I give the model a problem to solve, as in "let's see more movement". Again, I like engaging the model's brains. >>> Most models know how to present themselves well, so allow them some freedom to show you. >>> I'm one of those photographers who don't like it when a model poses; I prefer to have them move and/or react. Good luck.
Why Nude? in Model Colloquy
So you're a REAL model then? So according to you: REAL models are fake REAL models are about clothes not themselves... REAL models don't know what they want.... REAL models are repressed... REAL models don't use their body to make ART REAL models lie about their looks REAL models need to hide behind fabric REAL models care (probably too much) about what others may think... REAL models are not confident REAL models carry labels REAL models don't work with their minds to express with their bodies REAL models are stupid REAL models SUCK Brilliant. I can find a few REAL models that would be rather insulted by your assertion. Sorry, I know it's feeding the twit troll, but I couldn't resist.
Mexican Cruise Shoot - From Long Beach - Sept 26 in Events
COME JOIN US FOR FOUR DAYS AND FOUR NIGHTS OF SHOOTING AND CRUSING FUN ... WE'RE OFF TO MEXICO! THIS EVENT IS ONLY $450 PLUS THE COST OF YOUR ONBOARD CABIN! We are off to sea on the Carnival Paradise for four days and four nights of nothing but fun! [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Carnival_Paradise_20100216.JPG/800px-Carnival_Paradise_20100216.JPG[/img] We've done all kinds of adventures ... this time we're off to Mexico on a cruise ship. We're departing from Long Beach, California on Septmerber 26th. We'll have two ports of call, Catalina Island and Ensenada, Mexico. We're going to have a great cruise, as a group, plus ... we're also going to be shooting onboard the ship and at all of our destinations. Onboard the ship, you will be able to shoot almost anywhere you want, although public nudity won't be allowed. We'll also have our own, deluxe suite where we'll be able to shoot nudes. We'll have a balcony, a whirlpool, a king-sized bed and a lot more. I'll bring the lights. On most of these cruises, the promoters expect the models to pay their own way. That limits your shooting because the models are there on their own. The reason for your tuition to this event is so that we can pick up the expenses for the models. The studio isn't charging a fee. The models are coming to shoot and will shoot often! On Catalina, we intend to rent vans to take us to some great shooting locations. In Ensenada, our plan is to charter taxicabs to take us to some great, secluded beaches. The shooting will be a lot of fun. Carnival is arranging for us to be seated together for our meals and organized shipboard activities. Onboard, there is nightly entertainment, more food than you could possibly eat and activities througout the day. When you aren't shooting you are free to partake in any activities onboard the ship. We plan this event to have a 2:1 photographer to model ratio. Initially we'll have six photographers and three models. As we get more photographers, we'll add models. We can easily accomodate up to five models and ten photographers. It is even possible to handle more. The price for this event is $450. That DOES NOT include the cost of your cabin on the ship or transportaiton to Long Beach. Cabins on the ship start at $319 per person for an inside cabin or $379 for an outside cabin. Right now, Carnival has a special price of $419 for an outside cabin on the same deck as the suite we will be shooting in. All cabins are double occupancy. You will be able to pick your own roommate. Cabins for single occupancy are available, but they are substantially more expensive. Other than your cabin, the only other expenses you will incur is transportation to Long Beach, your share of cab/vans for shore shooting and your bar tab on the ship. All meals and entertainment onboard are included in the price. MODELS Fallon [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110508/06/4dc698d249d22.jpg[/img] Bree Paige [img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/crzygrly04/DSC_6085.jpg[/img] Kat [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110201/01/4d47cf47035ff.jpg[/img] We will add models as more photographers sign up! We currently have six photographers and expect more. A NUDE PROMOTIONAL RELEASE IS INCLUDED FOR ALL MODELS EXCEPT FOR KAT WHO WILL SIGN A NON-NUDE RELEASE A FULL COMMERCIAL RELEASE FOR THE ENTIRE CRUISE IS JUST $50 PER MODEL You are responsible for making your own travel arrangements to Long Beach. Air travel and transfers are available through Carnival Cruises. Parking is available at the Carnival Cruise terminal. All models are available for private booking, but private bookings are not required. The models are being compensated for the shoot by our payment for their cruise. No passport is required, but you do have to bring a birth certificate with an original seal. This event is open to all photographers. NOTE: There will be one special shoot set aside for members of the photo studio club! Click the banner below for more information on the club: Have you joined yet? [img]http://photostudioclub.com/images/logo1.jpg[/img] www.photostudioclub.com YOUR $450 REGISTRATION FEE IS DUE IMMEDIATELY ON JULY 23RD, THE REGISTRATION FEE WILL INCREASE TO $550 ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, THE REGISTRATION FEE WILL INCREASE TO $600 Cabin Reservations will be made directly with Carnival through our dedicated representative. W e will provide you with his telephone number upon registration. You will need to pick your own cabinmate. You can reserve a cabin onboard at anytime. It is first come, first served. You can reserve with Carnival now for a deposit of only $150. Full payment isn't due until July 29th. If you reserve after July 29th, payment in full will be required with your reservation. WE WILL PROVIDE A LIST OF ALL REGISTERED PHOTOGRAPHERS SO YOU CAN SELECT A ROOMMATE YOU MAY PAY THE $450 REGISTRATION BY PAYPAL OR BY CREDIT CARD. TO USE PAYPAL, SEND YOUR RESERVATION AND PAYMENT TO: INFO@GROUPPHOTOSHOOTS.COM IF YOU PREFER NOT TO USE PAYPAL, YOU MAY USE A CREDIT CARD BY CALLING 415-601-5475 You can read all of the details of this event by: CLICKING HERE.
D&K Mansion shoot Beverly Hills, CA July 30th in Events
Due to some difficulties lately, we've decided to use Russell's mansion in Beverly Hills again for our July 30th event. This is the same location we used for our June 18th event. This is a 35 photographer limit! Due to the request of the owner, Drew and I will have to limit how many people are inside the home at one given time. Here are links to our previous events, some with behind the scene videos! • D&K Desert event June 25th Victorville, CA • D&K Mansion event June 18 Beverly Hills, CA • Drew & Karl Mansion event May 15 Beverly Hills, CA - video! • Drew and Karl HUGE Mansion Shoot April 23 Riverside, CA • Drew & Karl Bank Vault shoot Los Angeles CA March 20th • Drew & Karl Playboy models - Encino, CA Feb 27th • Drew & Karl group shoot in Tustin Ranch, CA December 4th & 5th - Video! • Drew & Karl Glamour shoot Sat Nov 20th, Norco, CA • Drew and Karl WNR shoot, Sun Oct 24 - Menifee, CA Here is a video! • Desert workshop/group shoot 9/25 Victorville, CAHere is a video! • Drew & Karl Mansion event Aug 15 Beverly Hills, CA Here is the video! • Drew & Karl Back 2 Back event July 17th Monrovia, CA Check out the video! • Drew & Karl, Summer Start Off, Monrovia, CA June 19 • Drew and Karl WNR shoot, Sun May 23 - Menifee, CA • Drew and Karl workshop/group shoot 4/25 Vista, CA • Drew and Karl group shoot, Sunday March 28, Riverside, CA • Drew and Karl TeaseUm shoot, Feb 27, Riverside, CA • Drew and Karl group shoot, Jan 30, Riverside, CA • Wooden Nickle Ranch, Sun Dec 6th - Menifee, CA • Desert workshop/group shoot Oct-24 Victorville, CA • Desert workshop/group shoot 9/27 Victorville, CA - Check out our very first video! For new photographers who want to attend our workshop • Learn to use lighting like the pros. • We're here to share our tips to beginning photographers. • Ever wonder how Drew and I light our models without the background being blown out on a sunny day? Speed lights not cutting it huh? We will give you hands on experience in using affordable and portable mono strobe lights and equipment. Try Before You Buy. • You'll be so impressed with your images after the event that you'll be ready to order the same lighting equipment we use. • I'll show you different light modifiers and their uses. Octobox, beauty dish and grids will be covered. I'll discuss the difference between the silver BD and white BD. Why i use the BD over an Octobox at the beach or desert. • Circular Polarizer(CP)and Neutral Density(ND) filters will be discussed and how it will improve your images when shooting outdoors or at the beach. I recommend Hoya brand. CP, ND4 • Once you attend our workshop, you'll be able to build up your port with beautiful models quickly. • Students can take the remainder of day to shoot models. Preperations for workshop: • To make use of the workshop, Pocket Wizards or Cyber Syncs are recommended. You can rent the PW's from Calumet or Samy's if needed. If you are in the market to purchase wireless transmitter i recommend purchasing the Cybersyns from Paul C. Buff. If the Pocket Wizards or Cyber Syncs are unavailable to rent, you may rent Pocket Wizards from Drew and I. Limited availability, don't assume we'll have enough PW's. • Students should have prior knowledge on how to adjust their camera in manual mode. You'll need to know how to adjust aperture, shutter speed and ISO. • I recommend you purchase a CP, ND or both that i listed above. Purchase the appropriate diameter for your lens. • Make sure D-lighting or similar camera feature is turned off! • If you have a 101 questions, please let us finish the workshop first then you may ask your questions after. Some photographers learn quicker than others so we can finish with them right away so they can jump right into shooting for the rest of the day. It typically takes 30-40 minutes to teach the workshop depending on the amount of students and answering basic questions. Don't care about the workshop? • For photographers who don't care about the workshop, they can shoot the available models for the group shoot portion. (Please note that the workshop will be using Channel 1 on the Pocket Wizards. On the CyberSyncs we'll reserve Channel 9 also, if needed) • Shoot beautiful models all day long. • Please be courteous, if you're going to set up your lighting equipment at a awesome location, to either share or move locations every 1/2 hour. Hire models after the event for 1 on 1 shoots at 1/2 hour increments Message the models and see if you can hire the model you want after the group event for 1 on 1 sessions. The 6 sessions are: 3:30pm-4pm 4:10pm-4:40pm 4:50pm-5:20pm 5:30pm-6pm 6:10pm-6:40pm 6:50pm-7:20pm Times are approximate, they will likely change to adjust for sunset shoot for last session. **************** Registration Information **************** When is this taking place and how can i reserve a spot? Date: Saturday July 30th Time: 11am to Sunset. The main event is from 11am to 3pm. 3pm-3:30pm is lunch. From 3:30pm-Sunset you are allowed to hire models for 1 on 1 sessions at 1/2 hour increments. The times here may change! Location: Beverly Hills, CA We'll email the address and information to you several days before the event. Photographer fee: • Workshop - $160 fee with $80 deposit. (For photographers who want to learn lighting using strobes. Group shoot included.) • Group shoot - $120 fee with $60 deposit for new photographers. (For photographers not interested in the workshop portion.) • Photographer Limit: Due to the mansions owners request, we are limited to 35 photographers. • Deposit is non-refundable! No exceptions! If you can't make it to the event on July 30th, your deposit will NOT go towards the next event! I repeat, your deposit will NOT go towards the next event! You will lose your deposit. • Remainder balance to be paid at meeting location. • Deposit payment by Paypal. Don't have Paypal? Get one or miss out! • Contact Drew Santos with your full name, phone number, and email address for payment instructions. Please be sure you message Drew on MM even though you paid the deposit through Paypal. That way he can keep track of attendies. For non MM members reading this, Drew's email is BMWM34DREW@aol.com. Be sure to tell him you do not have an MM account. • Model releases are not included. Cost of model release will depend on what the model charges. • Lunch and drinks will be provided. NO ESCORTS, HUSBAND, BOYFRIENDS, OF SOME SORT FOR BOTH MODELS AND PHOTOGRAPHERS! But if you absolutely need to bring someone, they will have to pay the $120 fee. Information here subject to change. Keep checking this post for updates...
How to become agency approved as a photographer? in General Industry
Agency models get their photos for their books from test shoots and from tear sheets. The photographer may or may not get paid for those test shoots, hence a paid test. New faces need the test shoots more than experienced models, and ironically the experienced models (who need them less) rarely have to pay for a test shoot because most good photographers would gladly do it unpaid. If you work with enough new faces, you start to understand why since they really aren't that good yet. The OP asked about "agency approved photographers", which are exactly as I stated. Photographers who have been put on the agency's list of recommended photographers. They have absolutely no affiliation with the agency or the agency is probably not legit. They may be on the list of more than one agency (if they are any good, they should be). For the sake of discussion, those who's sole earnings in the fashion world are from agency models are agency photographers even if they do not have direct ties to the agencies involved (nor should they). A great number of young photographers out of school or just getting over the self-taught amateur stage get their start by shooting agency models. That leads to access to models for editorial work on spec (which usually only end up in the photographer's book since it's very difficult to get a spec editorial published), which in turn leads to paid editorial and/or paid lookbook type jobs once the photographers book is getting seen. Those paid lookbook jobs may turn into larger jobs, etc., etc. A commercial photographer who shoots fashion for clients would never get those paid agency test jobs simply because the agency would not be recommending them. Of course they wouldn't turn them down, but since the models have never heard of them they will never get the call and my point was more that the photographer will spend their marketing efforts on commercial clients not agencies. The people the agency mentions and points to on the list are the most likely to get called and if not them it will be someone on MM that shoots for free. I don't know if or when you ever shot agency models on a testing basis, but it is very competitive these days, particularly with so many good photographers willing to shoot for free. With agencies its out of sight, out of mind and I speak from experience in that regard. They are like a high maintenance girlfriend. If I've been shooting agency models regularly, I get reasonably regular referrals. If I'm out of town and thus out of sight for an extended period of time (like a couple weeks to a month), then it usually takes some serious effort to get back to where I previously was simply because they have started recommending someone else in my absence (and I was never their number 1 recommendation, just cheaper than the number 1 guys). There are precious few paid tests in a small market and there are definitely a couple local favorites. The jobs that escape those local favorites are hard to get if you aren't one of the first names the bookers suggest. As for the career path, I know plenty who have gone through that path as I described. Not all, but many fashion photographers go through that path. At some point, the photographer gets busy enough with commercial clients that they become out of sight, out of mind and those paid agency tests go to the next up and coming photographer unless the photographer puts some serious effort in staying connected. Those commercial photographers will always be welcome to borrow a model for a personal test and occasionally do (I've know both models who have been in that situation with photographers that don't otherwise do test shoots and photographers who don't do them but occasionally just need a model). As for myself, I've done quite a fair bit of work with the agencies and have gone on to some of those larger jobs as well. They just typically have not been in fashion but tabletop lately. Either way, when I'm busy with work, I don't have time to network with bookers and those paid tests disappear until I go down and reintroduce myself to let them know I'm available. Anymore, I'm just as happy to either shoot with someone from MM who has enthusiasm and doesn't work with agencies (such as this profile) or borrow a model for personal work from an agency (as would be seen in my agency work profile). I no longer seek paid gigs from agencies, but I take them if they come (which is usually after shooting a personal project with one of their models). If I travel, I send my book ahead to an agency and borrow a model from them. Once you have a book of agency tests, it's pretty easy to get a model from an agency you haven't worked with, but you usually will get a new face.
Jealous boyfriends of models in General Industry
I don't have to be bestest buddies with my models -- we have a constructive, enjoyable, & friendly professional relationship, but in general, we don't form close friendships. What happens in her relationships is none of my business, and I generally don't waste my time dealing with (or even interacting with) the model's friends, SO's, family, acquaintances, etc. If any of these people have an opinion, they are encouraged to share it with the model & leave me out of it. Similarly, if someone wants a print of a model, I tell them to ask the model & let the model ask me. If someone wants the model's phone number or address, I ignore them. If someone wants to hire the model, I might be willing to forward a message to the model, but I don't give out the model's personal information. I had someone claiming to be a model's mother contact me asking permission to use an image I made with the model for a breast cancer benefit. I was polite & told her to get her daughter to make that request, because I didn't know her (the mother). Turns out, she really was the model's mother, and I think I earned karma points for protecting the model's identity from someone who was a stranger to me. Note: all my models are legally adult.
How are photographers supposed to afford models in General Industry
First may I say find it EXTREMELY offensive that you are comparing models to adult sex workers like escorts. Though you excuse yourself, I can only imagine you make the comparison in the first place to cause such offence. However, I will address you points. Firstly if you wish to make an image - or produce a garment and show it off well - in a professional way you will need a professional model to do that. Some photographers can catch a beautiful fleeting expression or something from an amateur model; a good documentary photographer can capture genuine expression from a real life scenario whether it be an Afghan girl or a moment of sports angst or ecstasy. BUT these are documentary. If you wish to create an image rather than record it, it is entirely different. It is similar to making a movie with actors or amateurs. Not everyone will have the budget to employ actors; but then they will find it difficult to produce something of quality. Unless again; it is documentary. So I feel what you are asking is akin to say why do film makers need to pay actors; and I feel I am having to explain the obvious. The market decides what people are paid be they actors or models. We don't 'aim' our skills and abilities at 'rich gentlemen' we show them in the marketplace and we get booked. A photographer aiming to produce a high quality image may be doing it for his own Art or may be doing it for a third party client, or with a publication in mind. Even if its for his own art presumably he will be selling it at a Gallery or again some publication. He owns the copyright and there is at the very least potential to sell it or develop his image making skills toward some professional outcome in the future. His best way of selling that image; or if it is a designer to sell the creation, is to use a professional model in that process. It is our job as a model to interpret your vision. I began as a Fine Art model. I studied models in artists images and sculpture from throughout art History; I studied gesture and pose also in dance and ballet, and in studied Fashion photography throughout the decades to come up with a repertoire of elegant and expressive poses. It obviously was worth something for me to be fully booked most weeks for two years. I am not a top model by any means but I am a journeyman model and like many here we are able to have a professional input into helping create an artists vision; whether they are a painter, a sculptor, a photographer, or a designer. I think we are as important a factor in that as a good photographer is in creating a beginning model's portfolio; and both here deserve renumeration for their work. Sometimes where there is mutual benfit then TF is an option; but that IS pay of sorts. That is how the business plan works. The artist (photographer, designer, painter, sculptor) has a vision. He/she employs a model to interpret it through pose, expression, gesture, style, or even promotion and because they are good at that something is created which can be sold or looks like it is worth paying for to a third party. That third party can be a gallery owner or customer; a publication, a client that buys a dress whatever. If you don't use a professional model your results may be limited. So paying a good model maximises your potential in the marketplace. No people can't always afford it; but in the end I don't think a professional photographer can afford not to at some point. A good model is as essential to your artistic vision as camera or paint or fabric and need as much investing in. Oh and btw; I have said it before and I will say it again. Photography is often only a small proportion of a professional model's paid work. We don't seem to have this issue from artists or designers or promotion companies where there is never a question of not being paid for our work.
Question to Photographers in Photography Talk
For those models looking to book with Professional Photographers for commercial gigs, the following is a Outline of how Commercial Clients will book models. It is a requirement for every model to have both a Commercial Headshot, and Bodyshot. Quite often, after selecting a group of models from models "Books", my clients insist on a Go-See at the Agency. (and they may do this at multiple Agencies before Booking) Simply put, a model's portfolio must show what she "really" looks like. Casting and Art Directors, Photographers, and other professionals, don't need to see all the fancy "stuff" in your book. They don't want to see an expose on the photographers work either. And please please, photographs that are so heavily retouched that the skin looks like plastic, are a No NO ! They are skilled and will know what they are looking for, and if you can give it to them. Your portfolio should show a range of photos, with consistency in quality. Use fewer photos of the very best quality, as opposed to so many pics that causes eyes to blur. Think Quality, not Quantity. Personally, I look for a clean Headshot. And I look for pics that show facial expression. Lastly, I look at the body of work, to see how a model moves. Is she aware of her body, comfortable in her own skin, is she confident. A Great model ACTS, and MOVES, as the session dictates. Lastly, she is aware of what the other professionals do and need to do with her. Stylist, Hair, Makeup, are all part of a great collaboration. This is what makes a photoshoot work. What makes clients Happy. What makes Campaigns successful. And what makes clients come back, and hire models, and photographers again. Models who are successful are professional. They show up on time ready to work. Professional Models TEST all the time. Its important to keep your name out there and working with other professionals is the best way to do so. When a model trades with a successful photographer, her pics will be seen by many casting directors and booking agents, and thus increases her opportunities to be seen. A Glamour model I recently did headshots for (in Trade), received over two dozen calls, because the Headshot was toned down without all the makeup and fancy lights. People could see how beautiful she is. For more tips, write Greg Autry, here on Model Mayhem. Offering Portfolio reviews at a reasonable rate. Shooting Portfolio images for Agency Represented Models and Actors.
Sept 10 - SUPER HOTTIE SHOOTOUT - Riverside, CA in Events
ALL MODEL POSITIONS ARE NOW FILLED - THANKS FOR THE INCREDIBLE RESPONSE THIS IS A CONTEST SHOOT - 1st Place pays $400.00 -- There will be a total of $1350.00 in Prize Money Available -- Read On HOMEGROWN HOTTIES - SERIES 2 #4 -SEPT 10TH - Shoot Times will be 11am to 3pm with 3 hours for 1-on-1's beginning at 3:15. We will be using a beautiful Home in Riverside. This event will be different from the other HOMEGROWN HOTTIES Events. Models will be paid based on a vote of the attending Photographers. Highest Scoring Model will get the Highest Pay (See Below) We will hire 10 figure models. The job offers will go to models who have supported the HOMEGROWN HOTTIES Events this year. Any Leftover slots will go to new casting call models. Pictures will be posted as the models confirm. ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES / DRUGS ARE NOT PERMITTED AT THIS EVENT If you have questions about the shoot, please feel free to call me at (951)214-8023 Cell or (951) 360-9087 Home MODEL INSTRUCTIONS: THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW GROUP SHOOTS WHERE YOU ARE GUARANTEED TO TAKE HOME MONEY, OTHER SHOOTS DO NOT PAY FOR THE FIRST 4 HOURS - YOUR ONLY PAY IS FOR 1-ON-1'S. -- NOT AT HOMEGROWN HOTTIES !!! (1) Because of the format of this event at least "Topless" is required. (2) You are not required to pose "Hustler" style but if you feel that it will earn you a higher score, it is perfectly acceptable for you to do so. (3) Please do your own hair / make-up (4) You may sell model releases for up to $20.00 each, $30.00 for Explicit. (5) You will book your own 1-on-1 sessions, release included, at your own rate. (We recommend $40.00 per 30 minutes) (6) You must work the group shoot in order to sell 1-on-1 spots. (7) You will be provided a safe & friendly work environment. (8) Your pay will be based on the following scale determined by a vote of the attending photographers. (9) FRIENDLY ADVICE Please come ready to work or close to it. This is a contest and every minute counts toward your score. If you spend 30 minutes or more getting ready, thats taking away time that you need to earn points. 1st Pl - $400.00, 2nd Pl - $300.00, 3rd Pl - $200.00, 4th Pl - $100.00, 5th & 6th will get $75.00, 7th, 8th, 9th & 10th will get $50.00 each This money is in addition to anything you collect in 1-on-1's or by selling releases. This prize money will be distributed at 3pm. PHOTOGRAPHER INSTRUCTIONS: (1) Photographers limited to 25. (2) Registration $100.00 in advance. IF YOU GIVE ME A DEPOSIT OR FULL PAYMENT AND CANNOT MAKE THE SHOOT, CALL IN ADVANCE AND YOUR RESERVATION MONEY WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE NEXT EVENT - (IF YOU ARE A NO SHOW, THERE WILL BE NO REFUND) NO DIRECT CASH REFUNDS (3) Models will be selling releases for the group shoot for $20.00 ($30.00 for Explicit) (4) You can bring your own lighting equipment, but I would at least suggest a pocket wizard or similar unit. (*) NOTE: PLEASE limit it to 1 light & stand per photog during the group portion AND remember that Pocket Wizard only has 4 channels Why do we suggest a Pocket Wizard? It is to limit the number of cords that are lying on the ground so there is less of a chance of tripping over a cord (5) For Private 1-on-1 shoots between 3:15 and 6:00pm, you may book your favorite model(s) in 30 minute increments at a rate of approximately $40.00 including release. (6) Location Owner is Flexible, Time may be extended as needed. (7) You must pay for the group shoot even if you do not participate in order to hire a model for 1-on-1's. (8) Each photographer will vote for his or her favorite 4 models. On your ballot, 1st pl will receive 4 pts, 2nd pl will get 3 pts, 3rd pl will get 2 pts, 4th pl will get 1 pt. Highest Scoring Model will receive the pay according to the scale above. [b}PayPal is now up and running.[/b] To use PayPal - Go to www.newfacescameraclub.com -- Look for the page titled "Event Dates" - In the PayPal drop down menu select "SUPER HOTTIE SHOOTOUT" -- Continue with PayPal instructions. - No Paypal after Sept 2nd. CONFIRMED MODELS (in alphabetical order, by first name) AHLISHA NEWTON (MM# 1019266) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/090724/11/4a6a01ea64e53_m.jpg[/img] ALEXIS ROSE (MM# 743228) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100125/12/4b5dfdbb180fb_m.jpg[/img] AMBERE SWEET (MM# 1134554) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110613/18/4df6c0153b24d_m.jpg[/img] CHRISSY MARIE (MM# 1224167) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110524/09/4ddbe143d5926_m.jpg[/img] DIANA OCHOA (MM# 1523038) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110703/22/4e114c028311d_m.jpg[/img] EMILY ARCHER (MM# 2213263) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110603/21/4de9ae9a12042_m.jpg[/img] LAUREN KANE (MM# 637679) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110122/23/4d3bdeda2ca83_m.jpg[/img] LIV LOVE (MM# 1901532) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110508/19/4dc74f7367830_m.jpg[/img] SARAH JAIN (MM# 900278) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110315/11/4d7fb1dd356ff_m.jpg[/img] TINA MARIE DESARO (MM# 47584) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110627/21/4e095a855f437_m.jpg[/img]
Model Castings Real or Virtual? in Photography Talk
Model castings are one of the most important parts of a fashion or beauty photography editorial or print advertising campaign.Those of you having to have cast for a job probably understand how complicated the whole affair can be. Casting protocol and logistics are changing all of the time and the necessity to see a model in the flesh so to speak is less important than most of you might think. Highly evolved internet technology has changed the dynamic considerably. Access to information about the model and how she appears on screen, provides all of the decision makers a much wider gamut of information about her-him than ever before. If the pertinent information about the model is up to date, that information can be even better than a real on the spot casting. However, the responsibility falls on the model agency to provide the most up to date information on the models dimensions, hair color and cut, skin condition etc. so that the client can make an accurate assessment of the model they are casting. Some of the questions we ask model agencies are what is her REAL shoe size, weight, height, hair color, length of hair and skin condition. In most cases the agencies will be forthright and honest when confronted directly. Don't trust a comp card for the information, as it is already outdated when you get it. The model could have had a hair color change the night before your shoot for another clients needs and you will not be informed until she shows up, unless the agency is really on the case, this will rarely happen. So you have been warned. Real casting are often needed in the following cases. The model is a new be and hasn't any images at all or just a few snap shots. She has had a radical re-looking and nothing in her book represents her new look. It is a beauty capping and the skin is very important as the client wants to use minimal retouching. The client has honed down the preliminary casting to a few models and now wants to see the real deal (at their expense if the model is out of town). If you are new to casting, get ready to be disappointed. In most cases, models are required to come to castings with little or no make-up and what you see in the flesh is nothing like what you saw when you scrutinized her on the web. It is often as radical as night and day. However, with the understanding of image usage and rendering in that chosen media, most good casting directors and photographers can see what the potential of the model is with all of the available information on the net and in fact, many prefer to see how molds are rendered in the format they will be exhibited in. With new 3D technology coming to the forefront, virtual castings will become the norm and "real" castings will be done as part of the finalization process and for the fittings only. In fact, fittings will eventually be done virtually as well, using outerwear templates to determine exact sizing and fitting parameters. My recommendation is to compile as much info on the model as possible via the net and when convinced of your edited choice, than call in the choices for your finalization process. This is a real time saver, unless of course you are casting for a speaking roll. Now that is an entirely different subject. Or is it? http://www.benjaminkanarekblog.com/2jp
models also owning rights to their photos? in General Industry
Darling Lisa, since you're new at this, I'll provide you with some philosophical understanding because you are misunderstanding what you offer as a model and why. As a model, your commodity is your looks. It is not bound to photos. You could model in ways that don't involve photography at all or, at least, to a minor extent. For instance, while there are photographers at runway shows, runway models are modeling for live viewing. So your look is your commodity that you consent to allow others to use. "Hey, I want to use you in this runway show." "Cool. Love to. Tell me when." "Hey, I want to use you for this photoshoot." "Yes. I'm down. Give me the date." "Hey, I want you to smile and point to prizes on my tv gameshow." "Great. Love to. Thought you'd never ask." Those are situations in which you could sell your commodity and you always sell it. There's always an exchange. Sometimes you exchange your modeling for cash. Sometimes it is for pictures. Now, photographers are but one of many different types of creatives who make us of models in an effort to achieve a vision. Illustrators use models too. So do motion picture directors. They have a need and make an exchange to get you to provide your commodity. Remember: your look/modeling is your commodity. For an illustrator, his/her commodity (aside from the talent itself) is the drawing. For the director, it's the motion picture. For the photographer it's the still picture. That's our commodity. In a TF situation, we're giving you our commodity (talent and pictures) for yours (talent and look). With that in mind, when you tell a photographer that you want copyright to his/her creation, realize that you're going to be viewed as greedy on top of misinformed. You have your commodity. We have ours. Just like you can sell your commodity in ways that don't involve photographers, we sell our in ways that don't involve models (journalism, architecture, nature, automotive photography etc). When we collaborate with models, your look is still what you have and our pictures are still what we have. And just as you are asked for permission to use your likeness to create a work, once that work is created, that work is ours. And, in turn, people have to ask us to use our works (although sometimes we're a house photographer or commissioned but that's outside the realm of discussion). So, permission to use the work created is our right. Permission to use your likeness to CREATE that work is yours, but it's permission given at the time of creation. Afterwards, we can sell usage rights to the highest bidder (if such an intent was specified and whatnot) or grant a form of usage to you (typically portfolio purposes). But know that after creation, if properly specified the photographer can sell usage rights to a 3rd party and not tell you shit. Often we do, but most professional models are more concerned with selling their commodity to the highest bidder like we are. Bedsides, models aren't the only creatives involved in the process. Oftentimes, they're not even the most distinctive. Photographers' and designers' styles are the most often recognized, models being a distant third in all but the most celebrity of cases. A model expecting copyright because of his/her role in the creative process is like a saxophonist expecting credit for some composer's work because he was a part of the symphony that played it.
Nude/ Artists Models in Model Colloquy
I did some advertising work (clothed) as a child, but then that sort of faded away after my teen years. During college I was walking down the hall when an art instructor snagged me to ask if I would work for his art class. I'm not uncomfortable being nude, but my first time nude in front of a group was both terrifying and yet, intriguing as well. After college, I went into a corporate job and forgot about modeling for a while. A few years ago I left the corporate world and am now running a small business, which has seasonal ups and downs. A couple of years ago I ran across a notice looking for art models, so I sent in my info, figuring to supplement cash flow during the slow months. A few months later, I was contacted to start work at an art school that maintains a staff of about 15 models. During the fall and winter I average about 15 - 20 hours a week. (They have many classes that require models.) With one art school on my resume, it was easier to get my foot in the door at other places. I contacted the other local universities and community colleges. I have also networked with fellow models to discover other opportunities. Instructors also often know of other modeling opportunities. I have had only minimal success by contacting local artists, but I still watch Craigslist for art classes being advertised and often contact the instructors to offer my services. One thing I did not see mentioned in other posts is that art modeling can be more difficult than photo modeling. Poses can vary from 30 seconds to 6 hours (or more!) You will get periodic breaks, but you need to choose your positions for those long poses wisely. It helps to do some trial and error in front of a mirror to see what works with your physique - and what is comfortable for an extended period. I try to think of myself as an actor playing a part on the model stand. It gives me the license to do some dramatic poses that would seem awkward in "real life", but that the artists find interesting. Some classes will also want to study specific body parts, which may involve some "up close and personal" observation. Some painting classes will operate by having the model pose for photos that the students can use for reference while they work for an extended period. They should always ask your permission before taking any photos. I also frequently work with models of the opposite sex. Sometimes we are posed separately, but some classes will have us do interactive poses - especially for the short gesture poses. (Nothing erotic - but we are both naked.) Nobody asked me (or the other models) if we were comfortable doing this, so you might want to inquire if you will ever be expected to work with another model and decide if this is something you can do. I try to be respectful of my female partners - at least until I understand their sensibilities. None of my model friends has mentioned any problems working with members of the opposite sex. (But then some females complain about working with certain other females!) In addition to a robe and water bottle, I carry snack bars (of the Clif or Power variety), a sheet and a cushion to sit on and a yoga mat to stand on. Good studios will have clean sheets and an assortment of cushions, but some artists can be rather casual about keeping their stuff clean. I figure it is worth the effort to carry my own stuff rather than wonder who's naked bottom was there before mine. You will be expected to wear your robe when not actually posing, and some schools don't want you to leave the classroom in your robe - even to go to the rest room. (Always ask if you don't know.) I also find it more comfortable to avoid large meals and just snack during my breaks to keep my energy up. Hydration is important to avoid cramps. If you are reliable and cooperative, you can get repeat business. Good luck.
Inexperienced Models Charging for their Services? in Photography Talk
This is the elephant in the room that everyone keeps in the back of their minds, but for some reason they are afraid to bring up during the discussion. IMHO "Paid Only" on Model Mayhem has a lot to do with what you as a photographer want, and less with what the model is actually able to deliver, other than her physical appearance. When it comes to the use of terms like "Professional", "Experienced", and "Paid Only" this is my take as it relates to online modeling websites (Of course, this applies mainly to nudes) In the most basic use of the term, if you got paid for a job, then you are a "professional model." Even if all you did was sit still, naked, with a deer-caught in-the-headlights look. Experience is very subjective. My definition of experienced might be very different than that of someone else. Some people think it has to do with the amount of time since you picked up a camera. Others think it has to do with how good you are at shooting a particular style. Others rank photographers by the amount of nudes that they display on their online portfolios. Paid Only... Well... they paid you once. Why not again? And I guarantee that for every photographer that gets all twisted up after seeing that on a model's profile, there are 10 others that look at the photos, and make an offer. It has nothing to do with the quality of the photography, or the modeling capabilities of the model (See below). "Paid Only" as used by amateur models on online modeling websites, is actually an appeal to hobbyist photographers that enjoy modeling for its voyeuristic aspect. I am going to avoid the Nazi reference, but I will say that it is the same problem with the war on drugs: As long as you can't control the demand - Posting threads about "Inexperienced Paid Only Models" is about as effective as a "Just Say No" campaign. These "Paid Only" models know that no one is going to hire them to model clothing, but people will fall over each other to see their naughty bits in person. If they can "potentially" make money by posing for a hobbyist with very limited distribution capabilities, then why not? I think there is a recent thread about a model that was demanding that a photographer take down some photos, because her family finally saw her "Paid Only" photos online. I think that is Episode II of this thread.
L U C I M A Modeling Agencies WS 7/23-7/24 LA, CA! in Events
[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5157/5877609245_88a6fb5933_b.jpg[/img] Kate. Location. D3/24-70mm f/2.8 @60mm 1/800th f/4.0 ISO 400. [img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5224/5870821628_37156f2b5b_z.jpg[/img] Ashley. Studio. D3/24-70mm f/2.8 @56mm 1/200th f/6.3 ISO 400. WORKING WITH MODELING AGENCIES WORKSHOP: STUDIO/OUTDOOR LIGHTING It's been 6 months since I've done this workshop and this is still the most interesting/popular workshop I've taught. I'm asked a lot about shooting agency models, how to approach agencies, what the agencies look for, how do I know if I'm ready? With all these questions, I figured we could answer all these questions and more in one fell swoop. So here's the Working with Modeling Agencies Workshop hosted by yours truly on July 23-24, 2011! -If you're still building your portfolio and trying to get your foot in the door with agencies (particularly in the competitive LA environment), this workshop is for you. -If you're trying to improve your existing body of work, this workshop is for you. -If you're trying to build a paid-relationship with agencies, this workshop is also for you. -If you don't care about improving your port or working with modeling agencies, then this workshop is not for you. Without further adieu here are the topics we'll cover: -What agencies are looking for in a photographer and a portfolio. -How to approach agencies -Portfolio review -Creating the "agency look" in capture (natural light and strobes) -Creating the "agency look" in post -Photographer/agency/model interaction -Shooting without a studio This will be a two-day event that will feature insight from agency models and will highlight many of the lighting setups and post-processing techniques that I employ for my own work. How does this workshop differ from your first one in January? When I first started shooting with modeling agencies, I didn't have a studio. In fact, most photographers don't own a studio and can't afford to blow money on unpaid tests. I will be dedicating all of Day 2 to shooting outdoors, without a studio, without strobes, without reflectors even. And still execute the "agencies" look. For this we'll be going on location (about 40 minutes from the studio) and I'll be showing you how to "control" location lighting. It's a fallacy that you can't shoot at high-noon. I will show you how you can shoot whenever the hell you want and how to control the light. Highlights from Day 2 include: -How to control your background -How to control lighting angles -Proper camera settings (and why) -Control model posing -Model/Photographer interaction POST-PROCESSING Shooting is only half the battle. Without good post-processing it's all moot. You can't submit images straight out-of-the-box to agencies (or to anyone these days) without processing. So we will really focus on processing on Day 1. That way, on Day 2 you'll know what you're looking for, how to generate the right lighting for the right effect, and actually practice shooting for those looks. Day 1: -Cover basic agency criteria -Portfolio review -Approach and communication -Basic studio setups (0,1 and 2 light setups) -Shoot and review (we go over the images together on computer immediately after you shoot them) Day 2: -Shooting on location -Controlling the background -Controlling location lighting without strobes/reflectors -Photographer/model interaction General notes: -Since good models are paramount to getting "the shot" we'll provide experienced agency-represented models for the workshop. I'll be updating this page shortly with who we're shooting. -Choosing the right location is also important. I'll be showing images of the location where I did exactly the type of outdoor shoot we'll cover. -Photographers will be learning/shooting on-the-fly. I'm not a fan of lectures but rather a constant dialogue and sharing of knowledge. That also means, you're not paying to watch me shoot... you'll be doing most of the shooting! -One of the things I enjoy most is keeping the workshop small for more one-on-one attention. I will cap the attendance at 9. -One-on-one time with models is critical to the learning process. At the workshop you'll have plenty of time to work with models. There will be at most 2-3 photographers per model. -You'll be shooting with all the studio gear including the AlienBees system with all the light modifiers and the RadioPopper JrX system. Studio is privately owned, indoors with A/C and heat, plenty of white wall space and portable set walls/props, and plenty of parking. Photographers should bring: -Camera/assorted lenses -Lightmeter -Media cards -Something to take notes with Fee: $749. Register by July 8th for 10% discount! [img]http://www.andreahoag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/paypal-logo.jpg[/img] Location LUCIMA STUDIO 2620 Concord Ave. STE 120 Alhambra, CA 91803 Date/Time Saturday and Sunday, July 23-24th, 2011, 10AM-6PM Here are my last 4 workshops! January, February, April, June Q/A: Will update as inquiries come in! Q: Do you also teach workshops from Calumet? What's the difference? A: Yes, I have a non-exclusive partnership with Calumet Photographic that affords me the opportunity to teach my own workshops. So far all my classes at Calumet have been 1-day events at the Hollywood store with no location shooting. Q: I'll be flying in from [fill in the blank]. Where should I stay that's not too far from your studio? A: Being that I'm 3-4 miles from Old Pasadena, I would suggest you book a hotel that's not only close to the studio but also has much to offer in terms of night-life and shopping. a) Courtyard Los Angeles Pasadena/Old Town 180 North Fair Oaks Avenue, Pasadena, CA 91103 b) Hilton Pasadena 168 South Los Robles Avenue, Pasadena, CA 91101 c) The Westin Pasadena 191 North Los Robles Avenue, Pasadena, CA 91101 Q: Which models are we shooting? A: So far I've confirmed Bekka and Janelle and Kate [img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5186/5611210419_5455eabc82.jpg[/img][img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5027/5872346354_b7dd9ce706.jpg[/img] [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UAZnVLe4VKY/TgimHRg1n6I/AAAAAAAAAw0/LrtH0Kt7hwU/s660/rsz_kate-44_-_copy.jpg]Kate[/img] Q: How will we get to the location on Day 2? A: For day 2 the people that are close to the studio will meet and drive to the location together. Otherwise those that are already in LA can just meet at the location. I'll send details to everyone beforehand so we don't get lost! Q: Where exactly is this location? A: Great question. I'm debating between 2 locations. It's either going to be where my avatar was shot or where the above picture of Kate was shot. Q: Will we be shooting nudes? A: Nope. For that I suggest you go to Drew and Karl's workshops. I hear they're great
Models: What's a Creep? (Turn offs) in Model Colloquy
I touch models all the time. Somtimes one has to in order to get the right pose for the shot. Of course I always ask and make sure we are in agreement. You'd be shocked at what I have done as far as touching models however it was nothing sexual, always beneficial to the shot and always with the models permission. Some of the models I've worked with tell some funny sexual in nature jokes. It is just joking. Of course I refrain from telling sexual jokes or any kind of jokes cause I am not a very good joke teller even though I have a great sense of humour. Just never could tell jokes very well. I am more of a prankster and a cut up. I have been known to comment on a models body however not in a sexual way. One model I was shooting had her nipples pierced and we talked about that. I asked her if it hurt, etc cause it was interesting to me cause I had never shot a model with pierced nipples. She was standing there topless and we were talking about her nipples and she actually let me get a good look at the pierced nipples. No big deal cause it was not anything sexual. I made all kinds of odd faces when shooting that have nothing to do with the model, it has to do with what I view in the camera. Who cares how a photographer dresses as long as he doesn't have a t-shirt on that says something sexual or is naked. As for bad hygeine I wouldn't say that is creepy, more disgusting than creepy. I could see a model having an issue with bad hygeine cause who would want to be around some smelly person for 2 hours or so. Comfort level is up to each individual. I have shot models that no mattter what I do to ease their tension they are still tense cause they are trying to hard to get the perfect shot, new to modeling, etc. Usually though before the shoot is over they are alot more comfortable. I try to establish a friendship before we start the shoot, discuss ideas before the shoot, etc. Make them feel at home with me. Makes the actual shoot go alot smoother. Most of the time when I do shoots it is a group of models for a day that way I can get in alot of group fashion shots and individual shots all in one day therefore I have food, take breaks, have drinks, etc and we sit around after the shoot and during the breals having a good time talking to one another about all kind of things. I try my best to make models feel comfortable and since I am older (in my forties) most think of me as their cool uncle or big brother. I've gained alot of friendships with the models I have shot cause I am that way. They talk to me and my wife about all kind of things. My wife and I are like family to them. Comfort level is up to the photographer. Usually it is the models who rant on about their personal life. Nothing wrong with talking about all kinds of things while shooting as long as they are not too sexual and too personal. Usually though I have music playing, that really helps a model pose, get comfortable, feel at ease, etc and let them play their music of choice. I always tell them to bring some CD's just in case they cannot find something they like in my huge wide choice of music collection. A shoot should be fun not a list of "creepy or turn off" things. I have no use for pettiness at a photo shoot.
Would this be nude or implied nude? in General Industry
yes, this subject has been batted around a few thousand times here. Here is an online dictionary definition [one of 5 meanings]: .....Imply means "suggest indirectly that something is true"..... I can take a model who has on a bikini and have her hold a thin piece of material that blocks an observer from seeing anything from her upper chest to just below her genital area. Is she naked behind the material? No. Is the 'mystery' of the placement of the material causing the viewer to think that the model might be naked? possibly, most likely yes, since otherwise, why would the model be blocking the view of those areas of her body. Therefore, I am "suggesting indirectly that something is true" per the simple definition above. If I take the next shot and the model has dropped the material, we see that she is not naked, but has on a bikini. In the next frame, if the bikini top is missing and the model has her finger tips over the nipple areas, we can see that the bikini top is not there and the model is topless. There is no longer anything implied--the model is topless and there is no clothing covering the breasts. No guesswork. In the next frame, the model has removed the bikini bottom and has her hand and arm covering the breasts/nipples, and the fingers of one hand covering the genitalia. No clothing can be seen and it might be extremely difficult to imagine that there could be an article of clothing over the nipples and genitalia--UNLESS there were pasties [yes, they make pasties for the genital area also]. IN the next frame the model has removed her hands and arm and we see that she is completely nude. we see the nipples, breasts, and genital area. Historically, if the model has a covering but there is the possibility that the model is naked behind the covering, it is implied. If the 'covering' is so small as to preclude the possibility of any clothing whatsoever--the model is nude.period. It is a matter of CONVENIENCE that people have used the term 'implied' to include models who have the fingertips covering nipples and or genital areas, or they are posed in a scissor leg pose that precludes seeing if the genitals are covered, and have used their hands or fingertips to cover a nipple[s]. It is simply EASIER [convenient] to define naked shots where the pose or fingers/hands are covering the 'bits' as being implied. Everyone knows that if the model or photographer says implied--the 'bits' will be posed or covered. No open or frontal nudity. If you are not ZZzzzzZZzzzzz by now, you missed a good opportunity! LOL.......
Solar cycle shutting down? Big chill on the way? in Soapbox
Well now I see why you AREN'T skeptical. Have you ever done any computer programming? Have you ever done any modeling? I ask because you believe those plots are "verification" when in fact the models are "tuned" to fit reality. The scientists that develop climate models tweak them until the accurately can replicate past climate. They then assume that by being able to mimic past climate changes they'll accurately predict the future. I disagree. A good example is the global cooling from ~1945 to ~1975. The climate models used aerosols as a negative forcing to mimic the cooling during that time span. But in 2009 a new peer-reviewed study indicated that the cooling attributed to aerosols was overestimated. source In other words, if the assumptions that went into tweaking the model to accurately mimic actual temperatures were wrong then the models don't have any skill. The forcing attributed to aerosols was apparently too high. Have you looked at the number of models used by the IPCC? I believe the number is 20. Look at your plots and it appears the models actually agree with each other when they don't. If they did you obviously wouldn't need over 20 different models! But each model works slightly different or uses different parameters - such as climate sensitvity to a doubling of CO2 - to try to predict the future. I believe the spread of predicted warming by 2100 is around 6C. That's HUGE. So what do they do? They talk up the "model mean". Since no one model can be proven accurate they assume we can take the mean of the model outputs and that will somehow have skill. Again, I disagree. Empirical evidence of model skill can only be gained by waiting until the models are proven correct. So far that's not happening.
judgmental disapproving family? in General Industry
That statement does not go with this one: Which is it? the problem isn't there because i DO NOT and WILL NOT do glamour modelling, he is just worried that i WILL. he's concerned that there will be a problem if i did. okay? Yes, they would and have. The issues here have absolutely nothing to with modeling or photography. They are about a relationship where the insecurity of one person is causing them to attempt to control the life of the other person. That rarely ends well. Either he trusts you or he doesn't, but unless you have provided some legitimate reason to suspect your fidelity, you shouldn't be making excuses for his behavior towards you. The issue won't go away just because you stop modeling. Anything that you do that he feels will attract too much of the "wrong type" of attention to you will become an issue. i've been reading the forums for a long time and i haven't seen it. but still, even if a married model were to say that, isn't that a dramatic thing to advise? that she divorce her worried husband? and as i have said before my boyfriend loves that i model and loves coming to shoots with me. to be fair he started modelling with his dick out i'd be the first to complain, so i'm not bothered at all that he wouldn't want me to do the same with my boobs or whatever. i know he trusts me because there are so many other parts of my life where he could be jealous, but isn't. i regularly go clubbing, with my group of guy friends. they're all straight and mostly single. my boyfriend doesn't come. and i've never heard him complain, does that sound jealous or controlling? i'm sorry but i just don't like when someone on the internet's tried telling me things that 'will' happen to me, as if they know me and my life more than i do. i shall tell you first when the relationship ends and i am in the priory as a result of a jealous/controlling/possessive/whatever you think he is that'll cause my life to turn so shit. Going back and rereading your posts, I noticed this troubling statement: As if that were the only way to control someone, particularly someone who admits to having a lack of self confidence. The cynical attitudes that you find hurtful are the result of years more experience at relationships than you have. As I pointed out before, not a single person who has responded to you in this thread has done so with a positive outlook for your relationship.okay, let me re-phrase. he's not actually told me to do anything through our entire relationship we have strong trust between us if i want to do something, like model for example, as long as it's making me happy he encourages me. i don't know what glamour or nude modelling is regarded like in your area/age group/culture, but for a girl who's just turned 18, is still in college and living in a fairly quiet area, it's hard to do. most of the girls who try it in my age group or area, don't really see a postitive outcome. people in my area would regard them as common or a slut. that isn't to say that i feel that same way, i think most of the time it takes balls. but either way a bad reputation is usually the outcome. i could name a few models from here who've had that happen, who are on this site that i know fairly well. that's just the way it happens. at the end of the day, my dad would probably have the exact same reaction as him. i don't think he'd want to see his little girl topless modelling. he LOVES all the modelling that i do otherwise, and is always trying to help me by taking me to agencies or shoots or whatever. but no one would tell me to ditch my dad! as i said before and you agreed with, if modelling/being with my boyfriend is a mistake i WILL learn. if it's not then we'll all have a very merry christmas. but to be fair there's a lot worse things that could happen than the worse case scenario - me not glamour modelling, us splitting up, me maybe ending up glamour modelling or not anyway - it doesn't seem like a big deal. i've had a few awful relationships before, a million times worse than this. they didn't last obviously. if it's meant to be it'll be, if it's not it won't. but what you older people must understand, is that imperative responses like 'dump him' and telling me i'll have lots of problems are NOT what i, or any other 18 year old model wants to hear. it sounds like you're trying to sound like you've seen it all, and like if you were really trying to be helpful, you'd be sensitive and understand that saying that will upset a person. i'd appreciate and listen to your replies much more if they were something like 'okay, but just don't let him choose which modelling you do as it is YOUR project. don't let it become a problem.'
Can short models make it in the industry? in General Industry
Any perceived "discrimination" against shorter models did not originate with photographers. I've posted this many times before. It did not originate with photographers, nor did it originate with modeling agencies nor did it originate with Vogue or Cosmo. The "discrimination" was created by fashion designers who all got together and decided to come up with a uniform "sample size" for their fashions. Their fashions are all designed in a manner that is BEST shown off by women of a particular size. THAT size is what now dictates which women (and, in some case, "girls") the modeling agencies seek. THAT size is what dictates who gets to walk on the runways during fashion week. THAT size is what separates the Super Models from the rest of the female population; which includes many of the very beautiful and talented models on this site who may make money as models but will never be part of the modeling "Industry." From a photographic standpoint, you are --in some respect-- correct. Using the right angles, lighting and post-processing, I can make a 5'6" or 5'7" model appear to be six feet tall (see: 18+ http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/22798854, for example.) Similarly, if a model has the correct proportions, you can take an even shorter model and make her look "industry"-sized (e.g. http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/17335511 ) To be clear, the size issue has far LESS to do with photography and far MORE to do with live fashion modeling - and the ability to fit designer clothing onto the model. I was unaware that South Dakota was the new hotbed of the fashion industry. Perhaps you're referring to the hiring and shooting of internet models for personal art/glamour/fetish/editorial/erotica projects, in which case, you can find good models in MANY places. But, to my knowledge, there is no notable modeling "industry" in South Dakota.
Are Photographers feeling Guilty? in General Industry
FWIW things aren't usually as black and white as the forums on MM would like them to be. "Doing your job" can have many meanings depending upon the circumstances. I work with new models (in whom I see potential) as often as I can. In a typical TF shoot with a new model, I am providing much more value for the model than they are for me. But I knew that going in (even if the model doesn't see it) so improving portfolio, helping understand the business and the like are doing my job. Sometimes a beginning model will bring far more than I expected, perhaps even bringing things up toward an even trade. Is it so difficult to understand that in this case the model has done much more than "their job" (which came with fairly low expectations)? While I am seldom able to pay a bonus outright, I have been known to give wardrobe the model liked, purchase a MM upgrade and so on. I guess at the bottom of it is a feeling that as far as I am able I'd like to show in a concrete way that the model worked above and beyond the call of duty. And I still don't get how you infer guilt from this. Edit: Please read above (although I believe that words have meaning and that "substitute any word you like" is a copout).I agree with you on must parts! Since I do the Make Up as well and have hair products on set. I feel that's on me and give the respect to the model to be a model. If I ask then what they do is of enough value for me! Even if on paper I'm the one dishing out more in cost! But again I'm good with it! The model is happy and had a great time. Will be getting the best photos I can provide! I don't believe its a copout! That's crazy talk! I just don't want to be hung up on one word when I'm asking for the why's that someone feels they need to pay more then what they agreed too! Is it that they feel like they were not good enough or don't think the model will like their work? Or are they not going to give the photos to them? Or are they going to sell them and not pay the model? Is it a legal thing? I just don't know is all! It might not be a good thing for the model to take the money on some legal level! If so I want to know so I can tell my models to be careful. But if its nothing then no harm done! Example I know if I receive $1 dallor from a renter I'm legally binded with the renter even if they don't pay the full rent! So I can not receive part of the rent payment, I must have it in full! This might be a streach for tips! But I don't know so I'm asking is all!
antm* in General Industry
tired of idiots thinking that reality TV is real life. it isn't . Ive worked with a winner from that show, she was signed with Elite models since i first shot her at age 15 , she was signed with them DURING the shows filming , and she is still Signed with Elite now , she came to me two months AFTER WINNING the contest to RESHOOT her Portfolio because NOTHING she shot during the shows filming was useful for her Agency Portfolio . People like the OP dont care to listen to anything but themselves and care only for the attention not for the business end of this. So regardless of what I or anyone else Posts The OP will still attempt to enter it I am sure. here you Cut and pasted from a tv guide article. http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/news/pau … -1125.html Paulina stating what every ANTM fan knew in a new bitchy interview Paulina Packs a Punch You know times are tough when even reality show judges can’t keep their jobs. That’s exactly what happened to former supermodel Paulina Porizkova who announced on CBS' The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson this week that she will not be back on America’s Next Top Model thanks to a little downsizing. We caught up with her after Wednesday’s season finale to talk about Cycle 12’s winner, the show’s true losers and what it feels like to no longer be in the running to be a Top Model judge. What did you think of Teyona’s win? Well, I was there. I had a hand in it. But you know what? Honestly, now that I’m off the show I can actually say it. I didn’t vote for Teyona. Who did you vote for? Allison. Well, I’m not going to name names. But two of us voted for Allison and two of us voted for Teyona and one of us had to cross the line over to the other one. Of the three finalists, who do you think is the most likely to have an actual modeling career? None of them. Really? That’s sad. I know. I’m really very sorry. But they’re not models. Look at the history of Top Model. When has a winner not fallen down into that great big hole where the other sock goes? When? That’s because you can’t pick models from a TV show. Those tall, long giraffe things that don’t really look real are rare freaks of nature. And finding a freak of nature with a personality, that’s like finding a double freak of nature. So you’d have a TV show once every 10 years. You announced this week that you aren’t coming back. I didn’t announce that. I announced that I was fired on my birthday—April 9th They timed it beautifully. Well, I was trying to be diplomatic. Oh, yeah. I don’t think they meant anything ill [by doing it] on my birthday. They just didn’t check. They’re not bad people by any means. None of them. Not Tyra. Not the producers. And I actually had a really good time with Nigel and Ms. Jay and Mr. Jay. It was great. It was a really fun job. Why did they let you go? Well, they said that Top Model needs to trim the fat. So they cut me. It came as a little bit of a shock. I was a little upset that I was fired roughly four weeks before the new season was starting. I was being told to go have a physical for the show and then I got fired. I think they could have done that better. Who is going to pick up your duties? Oh, I’m sure they’ll have plenty of guest judges doing that stuff. Clearly they didn’t need me so they got rid of me. That’s pretty much the end of the story. And I am refusing to go the polite route of [saying] we had scheduling differences because, frankly, people get fired. I got fired. That’s the way it is. Stupid recession. Actually a lot of my friends from the show got booted, too. Makeup and hair people. And I shouldn’t say this because this sounds bitter. But if Tyra came in on time, they would save somebody’s salary. If she actually showed up on time for the judgings and they didn’t have to pay a lot of overtime, they would save a lot of money. Was that the case even when you traveled? Uh-huh. Is this a cut that affects all CW shows or just Top Model? I have no idea. But I assume it probably affects everything. But obviously Top Model is one of the top CW shows. So there are ways of arranging budgets if you don’t want to lose somebody. So it’s pretty clear that they didn’t so much mind losing me. That’s where my hurt ego comes in. Do you think you did something to bring this on? I did get pissy about Tyra being late a couple of times. I said, "I don’t think that’s right." And they told me I had a big ego. So maybe that had something to do with it. So what do you have planned next? Well, the nice thing about being fired is that after you get over the hurt part of I-can’t-believe-they-can-do-without-me, there’s a kind of freedom. I’ve been in L.A. all week beating doors for a job. “Hello, I’m available! Would you like to cast me in a TV show?” If they ask you to come back as a guest judge would you go back? No. I think there’s a little too much bad blood. I mean I don’t wish them ill. But do I want them to blossom without me? No. I’m not going to lie. ere. So they have to hide the fact that they were on the show? Yeah. And if you’re a winner you can just flush yourself down the toilet. Unless you marry a Brady, in which case you have a career. But some of the models, like Ya-Ya DaCosta, have found showbiz success. Yes. Some of the ones who did not win have done much better than the winners for sure. But none of them have approached top model [status]. Out of the girls that we had this season: I think Aminat might have a future in shows because she’s a terrific walker, she has a great body, and she’s very tall. But that’s the closest anybody’s going to get to fashion. Can you make a good living being a show model? Used to be in the good ole’ days. But I don’t know now. She might have to do Starbucks on the side. A lot of young girls look up to the show and it really hasn't produced a top model. They haven’t and they won’t. And now they’re doing the short girls. Like that’s ever going to catch on in fashion. It might be terrific TV. But it’s not about reality.
D&K 4th of July weekend mansion event in Las Vegas in Events
Drew and I are celebrating the 4th of July weekend in Las Vegas! We're hosting a 2 day event, Saturday and Sunday, at a 7,000 sq ft mansion! This mansion has 7bdrms, pool, jacuzzi, swim up bar & pool table, plasmas in all rooms, 6 bathrooms w/showers. What better time to shoot beautiful models during the day and then go out and party after? [img]http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1004/4726207513_60aed9c738_b.jpg[/img] Here are links to our previous events, some with behind the scene videos! • Drew & Karl Mansion event May 15 Beverly Hills, CA - video! • Drew and Karl HUGE Mansion Shoot April 23 Riverside, CA • Drew & Karl Bank Vault shoot Los Angeles CA March 20th • Drew & Karl Playboy models - Encino, CA Feb 27th • Drew & Karl group shoot in Tustin Ranch, CA December 4th & 5th - Video! • Drew & Karl Glamour shoot Sat Nov 20th, Norco, CA • Drew and Karl WNR shoot, Sun Oct 24 - Menifee, CA Here is a video! • Desert workshop/group shoot 9/25 Victorville, CAHere is a video! • Drew & Karl Mansion event Aug 15 Beverly Hills, CA Here is the video! • Drew & Karl Back 2 Back event July 17th Monrovia, CA Check out the video! • Drew & Karl, Summer Start Off, Monrovia, CA June 19 • Drew and Karl WNR shoot, Sun May 23 - Menifee, CA • Drew and Karl workshop/group shoot 4/25 Vista, CA • Drew and Karl group shoot, Sunday March 28, Riverside, CA • Drew and Karl TeaseUm shoot, Feb 27, Riverside, CA • Drew and Karl group shoot, Jan 30, Riverside, CA • Wooden Nickle Ranch, Sun Dec 6th - Menifee, CA • Desert workshop/group shoot Oct-24 Victorville, CA • Desert workshop/group shoot 9/27 Victorville, CA - Check out our very first video! For new photographers who want to attend our workshop • Learn to use lighting like the pros. • We're here to share our tips to beginning photographers. • Ever wonder how Drew and I light our models without the background being blown out on a sunny day? Speed lights not cutting it huh? We will give you hands on experience in using affordable and portable mono strobe lights and equipment. Try Before You Buy. • You'll be so impressed with your images after the event that you'll be ready to order the same lighting equipment we use. • I'll show you different light modifiers and their uses. Octobox, beauty dish and grids will be covered. I'll discuss the difference between the silver BD and white BD. Why I use the BD over an Octobox at the beach or desert. • Circular Polarizer(CP)and Neutral Density(ND) filters will be discussed and how it will improve your images when shooting outdoors or at the beach. I recommend Hoya brand. CP, ND4 • Once you attend our workshop, you'll be able to build up your port with beautiful models quickly. • Students can take the remainder of day to shoot models. Preperations for workshop: • To make use of the workshop, Pocket Wizards or Cyber Syncs are recommended. You should be able to rent Pocket Wizards from your local camera store. If you are in the market to purchase wireless transmitter I recommend purchasing the Cybersyncs from Paul C. Buff. If the Pocket Wizards or Cyber Syncs are unavailable to rent, you may rent Pocket Wizards/Cyber Syncs from Drew and I. Limited availability, don't assume we'll have enough wireless triggers to rent out. • Students should have prior knowledge on how to adjust their camera in manual mode. You'll need to know how to adjust aperture, shutter speed and ISO. • I recommend you purchase a CP, ND or both that I listed above. Purchase the appropriate diameter for your lens. Don't care about the workshop? • For photographers who don't care about the workshop, they can shoot the available models for the group shoot portion. (Please note that the workshop will be using Channel 1 on the Pocket Wizards. On the CyberSyncs we'll reserve Channel 9 also, if needed) • Shoot beautiful models all day long. • Please be courteous, if you're going to set up your lighting equipment at a awesome location, to either share or move locations every 1/2 hour. Hire models after the event for 1 on 1 shoots at 1/2 hour increments Message the models and see if you can hire the model you want after the group event for 1 on 1 sessions. The 6 sessions are: 2:30pm-3pm 3:10pm-3:40pm 3:50pm-4:20pm 4:30pm-5pm 5:10pm-5:40pm 5:50pm-6:20pm Times are aproximate and can change at any time We will have a white board with model's name, time and shoot location (ex. master bedroom, dining room, etc.). You will fill you name in the slot of the model you are shooting, the time slot and location. First come first serve on the location you want to shoot. **************** Registration Information **************** When is this taking place and how can i reserve a spot? Date: Saturday July 2nd and Sunday July 3rd Time: TBA Location: Mansion in Las Vegas, NV. About 2 miles from the strip. We'll email the address and information to you several days before the event. Photographer fee for each day: • Workshop - $140 fee with $70 deposit. (For photographers who want to learn lighting using strobes. Group shoot included.) • Group shoot - $100 fee with $50 deposit. (For photographers not interested in the workshop portion.) • Deposit is non-refundable unless event is canceled. No exceptions! • Remainder balance to be paid at meeting location. • Deposit payment by Paypal. Don't have Paypal? Get one or miss out! • Contact Drew Santos with your full name, phone number, and email address for payment instructions. For non MM members reading this, Drew's email is BMWM34DREW@aol.com • Model releases are not included. Cost of model release will depend on what the model charges. • Lunch and drinks will be provided. NO ESCORTS, HUSBAND, BOYFRIENDS, OF SOME SORT FOR BOTH MODELS AND PHOTOGRAPHERS! But if you absolutely need to bring someone, they will have to pay the $100 fee. Information here subject to change. Keep checking this post for updates...
Want to be a real model in Serious Critique
www.newmodels.com "Most agency models are "commercial" models - meaning that they appear on local or national print ads or television shows, in catalogs, work in local fashion shows and trade shows and similar kinds of work. They don't get huge fees (although pay can be very good indeed), national recognition or lucrative national ad contracts, but they are the backbone of the modeling industry. Fashion models also work as commercial models, although the reverse is rarely true. In smaller market cities in the US, most agencies concentrate on "fashion print" or "commercial fashion" models, who tend to be tall, slim and beautiful in a more mainstream way. This is "commercial fashion", a subset of commercial modeling. Very, very few commercial models make a living at it. It is not a career, it is something they do on an occasional basis while they do something else "full time". Outside of the major markets (New York, Chicago, maybe Miami and Los Angeles) it is doubtful that there is any city in America in which more than a dozen people make a good living at modeling, but in virtually all cities and substantial towns there are many, usually hundreds, who are in the modeling market, and who occasionally find work. The requirements for being a commercial model are very different from being a fashion model. It certainly helps if you look a lot like a fashion model, but there is work available in most markets for many other types. Models can be older, shorter, heavier and need not be pretty or beautiful - "interesting" often will get work, and “generic good looks” is the most common look required. Commercial models are asked to play roles in pictures: “young mom”, “active retiree”, “Doctor”, “executive”, and they look like idealized versions of these roles. In most of the markets we have surveyed the hardest demand for an agent to fill is for middle-aged men! Things that help a commercial model are acting ability, an outgoing personality, easy availability for jobs, and good self-presentation skills. The great majority of commercial jobs are booked through agencies, except for those that are given to friends or members of the client's family."
Photographers charging models?!?! in Model Colloquy
Ok, time for a reality check: IN THE REAL WORLD, photographers don't pay models. CLIENTS pay photographers and the same CLIENTS pay models. The only twist on this would be if the CLIENT pays the photographer a set amount, intended to include all costs associated with the shoot, including location, MUA, hair, wardrobe and model. I'm not sure where YOU (or the OP) got the impression that photographers pay models. NOW, . . . IN THE WORLD OF INTERNET MODELING: 1. GWCs pay models (which is why you won't see the "working" internet models badmouthing/trashing GWCs - as they form a major portion of their income); 2. Site/Content producers pay models (in hopes of making back their money AND THEN SOME when the content goes live) 3. Photographers who have been commissioned for specific pieces pay models - as the CLIENT is paying one price, intended to cover all expenses associated with the shoot. 4. Newbie photographers who can't find TF* models pay models (often a very wise investment) so they can learn how to take pictures. [note: In my experience, a photographer would have to be both REALLY bad and a REALLY big asshole to NOT find a model to shoot TF*. There are enough newbie models, who are --and should be-- willing to shoot TF* just for the experience.] I'm about to go shoot. If someone else could finish my post, explaining the circumstances (in the real world and the internet modeling world) in which a model should and DOES pay photographers, directly, for photo shoots, that would be appreciated.
6/4:TriState Huge Network Event @UniquePhoto 07004 in Events
NJ’s Largest Meet & Greet and Photographer Gallery Showcase |VIEW THE ENTRIES - REGISTER NOW TO RESERVE YOUR FREE ADMISSION ON THE GUESTLIST! MODELS - GET DRESSED UP! FREE MAKEUP to models on the shooting stations! PHOTOGRAPHERS - BRING YOUR CAMERAS! FASHION DESIGNERS - Bring a model or two dressed in your clothing! NETWORK: Meet The REPS from Olympus, Tamron and Westcott Use our stations to test-shoot. Have fun! Mingle! Enjoy the Gallery Show! Participate in our FUN contests! Bring your portfolio if you have one! On Saturday, June 4th 2011 from 6:00PM-8:00PM, photography & modeling industry professionals to hobbyist spanning the east coast will gather at NJ's largest Camera & Video Superstore, Unique Photo, to celebrate the Opening Reception for it’s Photographers Gallery Showcase. 30+ photographers will be chosen to display their work at Unique Photo (123 US HWY 46 Fairfield, NJ 07004 – www.uniquephoto.com) during one of NJ’s biggest networking events. Events during this night will include: - Photographers: BRING YOUR CAMERA // Models: DRESS UP! - open shooting stations for on-site model/photographer testing - featured portfolio tables to display your work and any promotional items such as business cards & portfolio books - [b]model contest[b/] with prizes - the photographer showcase gallery reception We will also have a VIP room complete with a closed shooting station for agency and professional models and VIP photographers. You will have a chance to network, mingle and book future shoots with like-minded individuals who share the same passion and creativity in photography as you. VIP ACCESS Contest winners and invited guests have automatic VIP access. The VIP room will include a specialized shooting station with agency models and strobe lighting along with a sign out sheet for a personalized session. The VIP room will also have additional beverages and food. BE FEATURED - MODELS: Unique Photo is currently looking to feature talent during this event. If you are a model interested in participating as one of our Featured Models. If chosen, your work and any additional promotional items will be displayed at one of the Featured Models tables, as well as on the event page. You'll also receive FREE VIP ADMISSION to the reception and all you have to do is show up, dressed to network, shoot and mingle. If you are interested in participating, please send 1 image of yourself (with a width of at least 800 pixels for promotional use) and the following information: Modeling Alias: Website: (Private) Name to include on Guest List (1 person only): Email: taryn@uniquephoto.com - Subject: FEATURED MODEL SUBMISSION Night of the event: Door Admission price is $10 non-VIP, $20 for VIP payable at the door only.
TFCD Copyright in Photography Talk
This type of thing is a bi-lateral contract and a model release rolled into one agreement (presumably to save paper or the time it takes to sign multiple documents). The problem with a contract/model release combination agreement like this, is that it's almost useless as a model release. Publishers and purchasers of images hate these type of bi-lateral contracts and generally consider them worthless. Two years after the shoot, if you are offered a large sum of money for photographs from a shoot covered by this type of contract, the model release may well be considered worthless unless you can absolutely prove that you, provided the agreed upon number of prints or digital files within the specified time-frame. If you didn't, or if you can't prove that you did, then a person (like the model, for example), could claim that you didn't uphold your end of the contract, therefore, the contract is void, no longer valid, and so is the model release. It sets the stage for a legal nightmare that most experienced photo buyers won't touch. Purchasers of photos simply want a simple model release. A model release is a unilateral agreement whereby one person (the model), grants rights to another (the photographer), in writing. Generally, photographers don't sign model releases, because they don't agree to anything in a model release. Putting everything on one form might save paper, but generally, it's not a good idea. Most forms that photographers dream up, aren't a good idea from a legal perspective, despite all the good intentions. I recommend not entering into bi-lateral contracts where a model agrees to some things and the photographer agrees to other things. That's a mutual exchange of promises and in the US, that's a contract. Instead, have two forms. One is a model release. The other is a written IOU indicating that the photographer owes the model images, images files, a CD, a bottle of wine etc. It's better that way.
Fabaic-mandatory model class -May 26th/28th in Model Colloquy
Aloha this is rachel deboer from maui saying aloha and reminding all artists that are competing in the Fabaic bodypainting competition next week in Orlando Florida on that sunday - May 29th to tell their models there is a mandatory models class on thurs. may 26th and sat. may 28th for models and artists.. everyone must go to at least one of these two classes.. the relationship between model and artist can be complex and for you to have reap the best experience out of it and have a happy model and great art piece to boot.. you must come to these orientations.. info for both artist and model and fun practical theatrical exercises will be created for the models.. here is class description from website... on thurs..- 1-2pm 1:00PM – 2:00PM Universal A Scott Harrington, Sue Weil, Rachel DeBoer, Abby Trent Models Orientation Are you planning on competing at the FABAIC? FABAIC Competition Director Scott Harrington and Assistant Susan will go over the rules and FAQ’s for all artists and models. Rachel and Abby will then explain what is expected to make modeling at the FABAIC and Competition a memorable, and hopefully winning, experience. They will share with you both dance and theatrical posing ideas for the cameras and talk about preparing for the long hours that are required to model for competition. This class is required for all models at the FABAIC. here is class description for sat.... 4:00PM Mandatory Model Orientation- Universal A, Scott Harrington, Sue Weil, Rachel DeBoer and Abby Trent THIS IS A MANDATORY CLASS FOR ALL ARTISTS AND MODELS PLANNING TO COMPETE this is first time a modeling class has been considered an official class at Fabaic! yay for the models!
I will critique your port in General Feedback
Hi Moe! I think this is the first time I've seen you around So it's going to be a very fresh perspective. Avatar: not as focused on the model as I would like. Profile: you state that you are specialized in automobile photography. That does show through in your avatar. Are you only interested in shooting models with cars? At this point I've only seen your avatar - so keep in mind this may be off-putting to models. I would take out the following statement too: "Important note. If you are a really serious about modeling then I want to hear from you. Models need to be willing to do what it takes to get the shot." I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. It's also about 50% of all the information you offer on your profile. Who are you looking to shoot? Are you open to trade work? WHAT are you looking to shoot? When and where are you available? Which models (i.e. only agency standard?) are you willing to shoot with? Portfolio: All non-model shots need to go. You are trying to attract MODELS to work with you here. I appreciate you started out with cars etc, but you're here to build your model portfolio. Perhaps someone will want to see your other work, but mostly, models will be interested in how you shoot models and how you make models look. Linking to another site where your other photography is uploaded is a much more elegant solution. So, just keep the five photos that have a human subject. Favourite: [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110320/06/4d860234dab7c_m.jpg[/img] Use this as your avi. Per photo: [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110320/06/4d86063581082_m.jpg[/img] Is this intentionally unfocused? From your portfolio, I can't tell. Perhaps it's better to remove it. [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110320/06/4d8602ea5e637_m.jpg[/img] I'm a little "eh" about this one. Did you do something to his skin in post? [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110320/07/4d86091d1b745_m.jpg[/img] There is way too much light on the side of her face. Not your fault, but her eyeshadow also isn't good for her skin and hair tones. [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110320/06/4d8604c0289f1_m.jpg[/img] Like I said, this is focused primarily on the car. That is not going to attract any models My advice to you would be to just shoot a lot more, practice, and work with more models When you are shooting, think of WHAT you are trying to shoot. What is your intention? Do you want a beautiful portrait, an emotional one? Do you have a story to convey?
My first "No Call No Show".............Question in General Industry
I think you are missing my point. What I am advocating is this: Work with models with a known track record of being reliable. If you want to work with models with no track record, that's on you. Worse, if you refuse to even try to vet the model's track record, then it's your fault entirely. BTW: The "right to complain" is not guaranteed in the Constitution. Want to call it "freedom of expression", you are welcome to. But for many of us, we lose respect for people who complain & complain & complain while refusing to do anything to address the issue that they are complaining about. You can express yourself, and similarly, we can disagree, and we can formulate an opinion based on your complaint. Like I said, a confirmation call the night before is "checking up on people". And I reiterate -- if you are unwilling to check out the people you work with, you are responsible. Period. Look -- as the photographer, you usually are the project leader -- you create a team that could be as little as you & the model, or as big as a dozen or so people. As the project leader, you are only as reliable as the least reliable member of your team. Try telling "the model didn't show up" to a client -- do you think the client will blame the model or blame you, especially if this sort of thing happens to you more than rarely? So, fine -- you are unwilling to change your ways. You assume the world to work a certain way, even when you have ample evidence that your assumptions are not reality. So, you are welcome to continue to use your hard & fast ways, but you should expect the same results if you continue to do the same old things. So, here's my opinion: You will continue to experience flakes, and no amount of venting / ranting / complaining on the forums is going to change that. By your actions, I take it that you've accepted that position, too. If, however, there are photographers listening in who want to reduce their flake ratio, I'd say to them to make the effort to work with reliable models. It's not impossible, and it's much more rewarding to work with those models who show up. I'm not blaming you for disagreeing with me. I'm not trying to stop you or anyone from posting. You've made a choice regarding those actions, and that choice includes continuing to work with random models without vetting them. That's your choice. No need to get personal here. This is a constructive debate. People vent here because they want to do something about models who flake. We've heard all sorts of schemes to address flakes -- we've heard about blacklists, rating systems, outing them on these forums, leaving them a nasty & childish tag, even listing the model on a "Worked With" list so that the photographer can "tell the truth" if/when someone else calls for a reference. None of these are fair. None of these will work. Some of these may even be actionable legally. But if people work only with reliable models (even if they are working with the for TF*), then only reliable models will get work, and those unreliable models will either have to become reliable or they will have to find something else to do. That would work. If there are those who insist on working with models with no track record, then they need to accept whatever they get. But eventually, those brand new models will get a track record, and if they are unreliable, people won't work with them. So, if you want to work with Suzy, and she has no track record, send an e-mail to your distribution list of local photographers & ask, "Has anyone worked with Suzy?". Sometimes, that's all it takes. Sure, that's not a zero effort prospect, but neither is a blacklist, outing, a rating system, or (dare I say it?) venting on these forums.
My first "No Call No Show".............Question in General Industry
I think you are missing my point. What I am advocating is this: Work with models with a known track record of being reliable. If you want to work with models with no track record, that's on you. Worse, if you refuse to even try to vet the model's track record, then it's your fault entirely. BTW: The "right to complain" is not guaranteed in the Constitution. Want to call it "freedom of expression", you are welcome to. But for many of us, we lose respect for people who complain & complain & complain while refusing to do anything to address the issue that they are complaining about. You can express yourself, and similarly, we can disagree, and we can formulate an opinion based on your complaint. Like I said, a confirmation call the night before is "checking up on people". And I reiterate -- if you are unwilling to check out the people you work with, you are responsible. Period. Look -- as the photographer, you usually are the project leader -- you create a team that could be as little as you & the model, or as big as a dozen or so people. As the project leader, you are only as reliable as the least reliable member of your team. Try telling "the model didn't show up" to a client -- do you think the client will blame the model or blame you, especially if this sort of thing happens to you more than rarely? So, fine -- you are unwilling to change your ways. You assume the world to work a certain way, even when you have ample evidence that your assumptions are not reality. So, you are welcome to continue to use your hard & fast ways, but you should expect the same results if you continue to do the same old things. So, here's my opinion: You will continue to experience flakes, and no amount of venting / ranting / complaining on the forums is going to change that. By your actions, I take it that you've accepted that position, too. If, however, there are photographers listening in who want to reduce their flake ratio, I'd say to them to make the effort to work with reliable models. It's not impossible, and it's much more rewarding to work with those models who show up. I'm not blaming you for disagreeing with me. I'm not trying to stop you or anyone from posting. You've made a choice regarding those actions, and that choice includes continuing to work with random models without vetting them. That's your choice. No need to get personal here. This is a constructive debate. People vent here because they want to do something about models who flake. We've heard all sorts of schemes to address flakes -- we've heard about blacklists, rating systems, outing them on these forums, leaving them a nasty & childish tag, even listing the model on a "Worked With" list so that the photographer can "tell the truth" if/when someone else calls for a reference. None of these are fair. None of these will work. Some of these may even be actionable legally. Nearly all of them require that we take the word of a stranger without even giving the accused the opportunity to respond. But if people work only with reliable models (even if they are working with them for TF*), then only reliable models will get work, and those unreliable models will either have to become reliable or they will have to find something else to do. That would work. If there are those who insist on working with models with no track record, then they need to accept whatever they get. But eventually, those brand new models will get a track record, and if they are unreliable, people won't work with them. So, if you want to work with Suzy, and she has no track record, send an e-mail to your distribution list of local photographers & ask, "Has anyone worked with Suzy?". Sometimes, that's all it takes. Sure, that's not a zero effort prospect, but neither is a blacklist, outing, a rating system, or (dare I say it?) venting on these forums.
Tips for directing. in Photography Talk
It's useful for a photographer to be adept at a variety of techniques. Here are some alternate approaches I use that you may consider: 1) Don't direct the model's body; direct her brain: Give the model problems to solve, like "Can you get taller?" or "Try to take up the least amount of space" or "How would you ward off an attacking angry bird?". I like it when the model's brain is engaged, because I hate the images of vapid stares. 2) Talk about something else: Another variation of the "engage the model's brain" approach, talk about something that the model is enthusiastic about. 3) The hands are the second most expressive part of the body: Encourage models to talk with their hands, or give them something to hold. 4) Movement is good: I know that an image is a frozen moment in time, but that doesn't mean that the model has to sit still in the moments leading up to the exposure. Get her to move and be quick with the shutter release (even if that means pre-focusing & setting the exposure manually). 5) Step out from behind the camera: I spend a bit of time at the beginning of a lighting setup to figure out all the technical details, like focus, framing, exposure. Then I set the camera on a tripod, hold the cable shutter release in my hand, and step away from the camera. That way, you are interacting with the model and not the camera, and the model tends to open up a bit that way. Sure, you may have to remind her to give eye contact to the camera lens, but if you are hiding behind the camera, the model can get lost inside their head. 6) Feedback is a good thing: Tell the model what you are seeing and what you want to see next. If you like the light on her hair, tell her. If you aren't quite getting what you want, say so. Note, however, never, never, never is it the model's fault if you are not getting what you want (even when it is). 7) Minimize interruptions: I resist showing the model the images on the LCD screen -- I'd rather tell the model what I am seeing. In short, keep active, keep talking, keep being positive, and enjoy yourself. If you aren't having fun, the model isn't having fun either.
What happened to plastic model kits? in Off-Topic Discussion
Model kits have suffered from a confluence of issues. In the 1950s & 60s, kit manufacturers had incredible support from the companies that produced the full size subjects. So when a kit company wanted to make a model of a Ford Galaxy, Ford would provide all sorts of help. Now, there is no assistance from the manufacturers, and instead there's licensing fees. Even worse, race car models not only have to get licensing from the car manufacturer, but also from the race organization and all the sponsors that are emblazoned on the car. One of the reasons for that early support from manufacturers was that model making helped teach a skill set that could be adapted to the workplace. All of those companies needed patternmakers, assembly workers, etc., and model building helped develop spatial reasoning and toolwork. As manufacturing became more automated and computer design overtook conventional patternmaking, the skill set brought about by model building was no longer one worth developing. At that same time, modelers who embraced the hobby began pushing for greater variety and more realism in their model kits. Where a model from the 1960s might have 40 parts, model kits nowadays can easily have ten times that, if not more. The push for greater variety led to more companies creating model kits. In the 1960s, there were perhaps a dozen model kit companies. Now that number is in the hundreds. With that kind of competition, these companies are not able to produce the quantities they did in the past. A kit run in the 1960s could be several hundred thousand units; now those numbers are in the tens of thousands. Because there are fewer units produced, plus the increased complexity due to the rise in detail, the kit company has to increase the per-item cost to recoup their development and production costs. Even with production in China, model kits can exceed $200. Because of the rise in prices and huge number of kit companies, general stores cannot afford to sell model kits any more. A father walking through a store with his child is not very likely to drop $200 on a whim, and ordering from 100+ companies is just too time consuming. Because model kits have moved away from easy-access points of sale, the hobby has taken another hit. Out of sight, out of mind.
My first "No Call No Show".............Question in General Industry
Maybe. Or maybe they didn't flake. Or maybe models are more dependent on photographers than photographers are dependent on models -- there are tons of models with more entering the scene every day; I'd also venture to say that photographers pay models a lot more often than models pay photographers. Or maybe models are too mature to whine about a bad photographer in a public forum? We STILL don't know why the model flaked. Maybe you thought the "joke" was innocent & small, or maybe you said, "Big breasts? I can't wait to rub baby oil on them, and of course, I have to apply the oil myself, for 'artistic' purposes". At some point, she could have been made to feel unsafe & perhaps it was appropriate for her to cut off all communications. Or maybe the photographer gave her the wrong date / time / location, and she did show up, but the photographer didn't. [i]We STILL don't know why the model flaked. Heck, we can't be sure that the model flaked on the first place.Look this isn't Judge Judy or Judge Joe Brown. We don't need to hear the models side. After all , said models name wasn't used. Key is that if you can't shoot or change your mind say something. In my case the model I made the silly joke with came out. Another model might be 'horrified' at my joke and decide not to shoot. Should she not inform me? Maybe the OP provided the wrong information, time or day. Lets take him at his word shall me. At least every few weeks a model comes here with a thread about some goof who feel her up. ( Of note is I don't ever see you there defending photographers. ) Guess what, in most cases I bet her side is true or mostly. Its just that I tend to want some balance because these could be criminal charges. A flake is a person who doesn't call or email to cancel. A flake in my view is a person who calls and or cancels very last minute. A flake is someone who uses the grandmother excuse, last minute. There is NO excuse for not letting folks know you can't make a shoot you confirmed. If someone says something you don't like, speak up. Unclear on locations or times, say something. Curious that models don't get clear information about shoots but somehow manage to make the party they want to attend. In short, I wish that photographers would stop defending bad behavior. Don't want to shoot or can't, email or call. There are very, very few reasons not to let those you've agreed to shoot with know your plans.
What are my rights to photos of me? in General Industry
OP - Correct me if I am wrong: You did a TFP agreement with the photographer for the company ON SPEC, believing your compensation would have mostly been A TEAR SHEET ( or similar proof of commercial use ) for the photographer's client, hereinafter referred to as "the company" and at the very least, some images. You signed a release based on that belief. There was no $$$ contingency provision for the event where the photos were not used for commercial purpose to give you that tear sheet. It was a "try". But - it was a TFP - and you are due images ( or rate ). The photographer was paid by the company and did receive value. The company has imposed restrictions on your display of the images - they demanded that you remove the copyright holder-edited versions - they offered that you can PURCHASE the unedited, less likable images ( OMG !!! Most photographers would cut their hearts out for such a suggestion ) You believe the photographer is your friend. ================================ STEP 1 Contact the photographer and ask him/her to please write to the company this statement: " Zandrea performed model services in exchange for images, induced with the added hope of commercial tear sheets for her promotion as a model by virtue of being affiliated as a model for your company. This is the reason that the shoot was able to happen for the low price - she waived her monetary modeling fee for this speculation shoot, in the hopes of gaining value from a commercial campaign or at least more photos for her promotion. This is the essence of a "Time For Pictures" agreement and was both the motivation for waiving her fee and signing a release. I performed photographic services at a special rate also hoping for the commercial credit. My contingency for the event of no publication was that I had control of the images again after 3 weeks, after which I exercised my copyright and edited several images to my satisfaction and honored my contract with the model by delivering her images. You have asked her to remove them from her portfolio and further have asked her to pay you for the right to use images, which is a violation of my copyright interest as you have been granted no license to resell the images. I have authorized the model to use the edited images I provided to her in her portfolio in order to 1 - Prevent her from VOIDING her release by virtue of her receiving no value from the TFP contract which made the release enforceable and thereby preventing you from using the photos without great legal difficulty 2 - Prevent others from knowing that you acted this way, which would likely increase your promotional production costs, as then all models and others ( hair, make-up, etc ) working toward photos for you would require payment, I'm sure. My intention is to ensure that advertisers here can continue to get low-cost, low-risk images for their promotional needs allowing you to spend the same amount for several "tries" as you would for "one shoot" and allowing you to pick the best one, even in these tough economic times. We can only ensure that when the talent involved is allowed the provision to get "something" for their time. But ... If you feel there is an element of the edited images which is uncomplimentary to your brand, please let me know and I will try to remedy that aspect for you, either with an alternate edit or insisting the model does NOT indicate your affiliation with the images. Does that sound fair to you? Please let me know by ____ ( Date 3 business days after sending ) " =================== STEP 2 If the photographer will not do that for you AND HE HAS NOT PAID YOU ANYTHING FOR ANY PROJECT ... he is not only not your friend, but he is useless to you as a model and will only continue to offer you "VOLUNTEER" modeling gigs, NOTE HOW THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM "TFP" where you actually get some value. so send this to the company: On ( date ) I entered an agreement with ( tog ) to model for your campaign and waived my regular hourly modeling fee rate of $ ____ in exchange for the hope that an image may, at your discretion, be used in advertising which would give me a commercial advertising tear sheet, and with the contingency guarantee of the right to use images from the shoot for my promotion, including but not limited to use in my portfolio, in the event where none of the images were used by your company after 3 weeks from the time the photos were taken, in accordance with your contract with the photographer. You did not use the images in your campaign. After 3 weeks passed, the photographer honored his contract to me by providing me with 4 images edited to his satisfaction, exercising his right to edit his own images, delivering them to me with his authorization to publish them in my portfolio. You have asked me to remove them, which would thereby VOID my release for you to use them in any way, as I am due some kind of value for my modeling services rendered. You have further asked me to PAY for versions of the images which you possess, which is a violation of the photographer's copyright as you are not the owner of the copyright nor are you the holder of a license authorizing you to resell them. Here's what I suggest: By ( 5 days after sending ) deliver to me a) written authority to use the images from this shoot in my portfolio. If you feel they are uncomplimentary to your brand, you may insist, in writing, that I do not use your name or reference your brand in any comments. or b) a cheque for $ ____ my regular modeling rate, to maintain my release or c ) do not use the images in any way; and; d ) expect that all models and other industry talent ( hair, make-up, stylists, assistants, photographers ) who might otherwise agree to work ON SPEC to help you keep your promotional image production costs low may soon begin to demand cash payment from you which would certainly create barriers to getting the best shot to use. My mailing address for delivery of a written statement or cheque is: XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX XXX XXXXXXXXX XX XXXXX ================= At the moment, you have nothing to lose and likely this company will mean nothing to you. You may be VERY surprised at how some companies respond to FORCE - it might even get you a callback But at the moment, you have nothing to lose. ================== Or you can just move on and forget it ... or let people know what happens when they do a spec shoot with that company.
Since when does TFP/CD not include all images? in General Industry
I'm getting ahead of myself here, but felt this needed to be addressed. Maryelle is absolutely right. As much as almost every photographer has chimed in on this thread claiming they own the rights to the photos, they own the copyright, the photo's belong to them to do with as they wish, and so on and so on...just try publishing, selling, or otherwise profiting with those photos of a model who never signed a release. From the very same ASMP.org website that someone posted to support their claim the photographers own all the rights to all their photos: http://asmp.org/tutorials/property-and- … eases.html Take note of the jury decisions and awards regarding use of a models likeness without a signed release. Without that release, these images are nothing more than in the condescending words of GDML77, "only good to rest hidden in the computer" By the way, since some of you are so convinced they own the photos and can do with them what they like, why even bother to have a model sign a release? My point is simple: the photographer/model relationship is a unique one in the world of copyrights and ownership. To the poster above, I suggest you re-aquaint yourself with privacy laws and the use of ones likeness. Your analogy fails. Once again, the photographer/model relationship is a unique one in the world of copyrights and ownership. Both have rights to the image, and neither can use it without the others permission. its a partnership really. Presumably an equal partnership. Which goes back to the original question: If a model only walks away with 6 images, but the photographer has 600 AND can use them for whatever purpose he intends, including profiting through potential future sales, how is this an equitable arrangement?Before you spout off telling others to do research, you really should do your own. The model does not own any rights to the image whatsoever. None. Zero. The model owns a right to his or her likeness, not the photo. Stop confusing the two, no matter what you want to believe, the model does not own any rights to the copyright of the photo, they simply retain rights to their likeness -- this holds true outside of models down to normal everyday people. There are many none commercial things a photographer can do with said photo without any release from the model, such as an art gallery, magazine editorial, newspaper story, and many, many other things. Lastly, some states do not even require a written release, a verbal release is adequate and verbal can be assumed by the fact said model is posing for the photos, this has been tried and proven in court in certain states. The model release simply releases the model's likeness allowing use of the images from a commercial standpoint. To address your OP: You show up for the allotted time, a photographer on the other hand is there for the allotted time, with a far heavier financial investment in equipment, training, education, and possibly a studio and then a far heavier investment in time as the photographer has to then go and cull and retouch the images. It has been this way forever, unlike what you want people to believe, and will remain this way as it is more than fair.
the canonical tfp agreement in Newbie Forum
David, You wrote: "I have had very good luck with TFP and never had this sort of situation. I am clear up front about what they can expect. I can see why something like this would turn you off of TFP, but if you're clear up front and have a reasonable discussion with the model beforehand I doubt this will happen too often." Well I would like to feel this way. I also tried my best to be clear within the confines of not being so pedantic that it turns the models off. The following is what I wrote her in email (before she brought the second model tagalong idea into play). /* Begin 1st Email to model 1 */ Hi *******, I would be interested in shooting with you this Saturday. Please feel free to let me know if interested. I like your Pam Grier look. Best, Steve /* End 1st Email to model 1 */ /* Begin 2nd Email to model 1 */ Hi *******, Thank you for the kind words. I would like to work with you. Hope the following is acceptable. We could try Thursday. (I have engagement Wed.) If that is ok with you, for sake of definitiveness, I could suggest we could try for 9 AM. (Alternative perhaps next Monday if you would still be available that far off). I would propose a TFP model agreement right off, followed by 2-4 hours of shoot (i think 3 hours or more preferable presuming it is going good). For sake of definitiveness we could just do SF city outdoors. My first thought would be a walk from Ferry Bldg to Powell St. via Chinatown. If we don't get a full 4 hrs we would have to turn back partway (but whatever). If we have more time we could do something loction- iconic (like GG Bridge background shots). If you wanted suggestions on what to wear, you could bring anything you think looks good on you with maybe 2-3 changes, and if you want iconic, maybe a bikini if you are into that. I saw your doll pic and would add that I like cosplay but only authentic (not the common usa imitation-- most of the stuff i see, even in Jtown, tends to be the latter to my eyes). These are just starter ideas so if you have something you think you would look good in and are really enthusiastic about it please feel free to let me know. Once we settle on a date and time we should exchange cell phone numbers for last moment emergencies. After the shoot maybe we can cool heels at a Peets, cherrypick and watermark a selection (eg 10 or so) of the better photos on a laptop. Otherwise I can email you within a couple of days. All the best, -Steve /* End 2nd Email to model 1 */ And here is the model release form I had both model 1 and model 2 sign at the beginning of the shoot. /* BEGIN MODELING RELEASE */ MODELING RELEASE Form LF-1 In consideration of my engagement as a model, upon the terms herewith stated, I hereby give to_______________________________________________________________his heirs, legal representatives and assigns, those for whom_____________________________________________is acting, and those acting with his/her authority and permission: a) the unrestricted right and permission to copyright and use, re-use, publish, and republish photographic portraits or pictures of me or in which I may be included intact or in part, composite or distorted in character or form, without restriction as to changes or transformations in conjunction with my own or a fictitious name, or reproduction hereof in color or otherwise, made through any and all media now or hereafter known for illustration, art, promotion, advertising, trade, or any other purpose whatsoever. b) I also permit the use of any printed material in connection therewith. c) I hereby relinquish any right that I may have to examine or approve the completed product or products or the advertising copy or printed matter that may be used in conjunction therewith or the use to which it may be applied. d) I hereby release, discharge and agree to save harmless [photographer], his/her heirs, legal representatives or assigns, and all persons functioning under his/her permission or authority, or those for whom he/she is functioning, from any liability by virtue of any blurring, distortion, alteration, optical illusion, or use in composite form whether intentional or otherwise, that may occur or be produced in the taking of said picture or in any subsequent processing thereof, as well as any publication thereof, including without limitation any claims for libel or invasion of privacy. e) I hereby affirm that I am over the age of majority and have the right to contract in my own name. I have read the above authorization, release and agreement, prior to its execution; I fully understand the contents thereof. This agreement shall be binding upon me and my heirs, legal representatives and assigns. Dated: ________________Signed:_____________________________________ Address:__________________________________________________________ City:_____________________________________________________________ State/Zip:__________________________________________________________ Phone:____________________________________________________________ Witness:___________________________________________________________ /* END MODELING RELEASE */ The main issue here (I am trying informally to accomodate the second model being in the shoot requiring increasing the number of photos) is that I was upfront that she not get all the photos! I never promised her that! (Sheesh!)
Models on there high horse in Model Colloquy
I understand what he is saying. The blinking thing I believe was just a reference. I as a photographer base my price on my skills and experience. Hence why my prices are extremely low and I still do A LOT of TFCD as time allows. What he is going off of is what I have experienced. There are a lot of pretty women out there that are just that. They expect to get paid, but also expect to be directed through the whole shoot. If I invest in a model, I expect a model. Some one who I can explain my vision to and she/he goes from there. They should be able for the most part, pose and express that topic on there own. I mean heck, any model watch America's Next Top Model. How many times can Tyra say that modeling is NOT just a pretty face. That being said those models hurt all models from making money. Fact is, I've worked with a few models in which I paid, that have worked the same as those I have not paid. So now I am in the mind set of only excepting TFCD models, do to I get TFCD quality from even those paid. Now don't take this wrong. Models DO deserve to get paid, when they can MODEL. Just as I deserve to get paid when I can make a great photograph. How would a model feel if I asked for $100/hr. Then I showed up with my equipment and expected the model to tell me where to put the lights. And what shutter speed and aperture to use. This conversation goes both ways, but I see it more with models.
So you don't shoot TF, huh ?... in General Industry
Noone is pissed. I'm actually laughing on the inside at the situation.That's because you're a mega troll. You make posts constantly complaining about something. I don't know, you kind of seem like someone who is spoiled or something. You constantly complain about something and won't take the simple advice or put up or shut up (regarding paying to improve or work with those who will take what you've got). And no, I won't worship someone who makes threads about: Rant about models #1: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #2: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #3: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #4: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #5: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #6: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #7: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Do you seriously not get (even from your posting in critique) that, obviously, models DO shoot TF, but just not with you. There are lots of TF nude models, but many more paid ones and you've got to have a fucking EXCEPTIONAL portfolio to get them to TF with you OR a great attitude, of which you (according to past critiques) have neither. Your attitude fucking blows. Every post you make is about bashing models - the very same people you constantly bitch won't work with you. See, now they won't even work with you for pay: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Your lack of professionalism is painfully obvious. Thread asking if a model would 'relieve' a male model's erection: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking on advice on how to 'hook up' with a model which in and of itself isn't a big deal, people fuck all the time, but when considering the tone in which written, coupled with your other threads... http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread praising model with spread shots (which in and of itself, again, isn't a bad thing, but when taken in context with your other threads...): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you'd like to work with the world's strongest vag for 'art' purposes or whateverthefuck: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about your failure in communications and failure in obtaining a valid model release: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you failed to fulfill your contractual obligations even though you had at least two other options in which to do so: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Added to all this, you have got to be the biggest troll since that Michael kid with all his exhibit threads, Thread about trolling: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about horror stories: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Define a GWC thread (You have only to look in the mirror, young grasshopper ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking for list of trainwreck threads on MM: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread whining about friend requests (yes, you did it in this very thread, stand accused, sir): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread complaining about mod abuse - check the comment on all of your locked threads: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Honestly, I don't even give a flying fuck if this post gets me brigged. You are a GWC extraordinaire and it's a fucking head scratcher that your ass gets ANY models to work with you when considering all of your prior posts.This post is so full of win.
So you don't shoot TF, huh ?... in General Industry
Noone is pissed. I'm actually laughing on the inside at the situation.That's because you're a mega troll. You make posts constantly complaining about something. I don't know, you kind of seem like someone who is spoiled or something. You constantly complain about something and won't take the simple advice or put up or shut up (regarding paying to improve or work with those who will take what you've got). And no, I won't worship someone who makes threads about: Rant about models #1: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #2: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #3: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #4: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #5: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #6: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #7: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Do you seriously not get (even from your posting in critique) that, obviously, models DO shoot TF, but just not with you. There are lots of TF nude models, but many more paid ones and you've got to have a fucking EXCEPTIONAL portfolio to get them to TF with you OR a great attitude, of which you (according to past critiques) have neither. Your attitude fucking blows. Every post you make is about bashing models - the very same people you constantly bitch won't work with you. See, now they won't even work with you for pay: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Your lack of professionalism is painfully obvious. Thread asking if a model would 'relieve' a male model's erection: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking on advice on how to 'hook up' with a model which in and of itself isn't a big deal, people fuck all the time, but when considering the tone in which written, coupled with your other threads... http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread praising model with spread shots (which in and of itself, again, isn't a bad thing, but when taken in context with your other threads...): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you'd like to work with the world's strongest vag for 'art' purposes or whateverthefuck: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about your failure in communications and failure in obtaining a valid model release: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you failed to fulfill your contractual obligations even though you had at least two other options in which to do so: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Added to all this, you have got to be the biggest troll since that Michael kid with all his exhibit threads, Thread about trolling: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about horror stories: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Define a GWC thread (You have only to look in the mirror, young grasshopper ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking for list of trainwreck threads on MM: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread whining about friend requests (yes, you did it in this very thread, stand accused, sir): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread complaining about mod abuse - check the comment on all of your locked threads: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Honestly, I don't even give a flying fuck if this post gets me brigged. You are a GWC extraordinaire and it's a fucking head scratcher that your ass gets ANY models to work with you when considering all of your prior posts.I hope I get to shoot with you sometime Sabina! Maybe trolling on forums can be positive. It shows people's true colors and ruins their rep. If I were the OP I wouldn't be worrying about anyone doing TF with me, I would be worried that I couldn't even pay someone to work with me.
So you don't shoot TF, huh ?... in General Industry
Noone is pissed. I'm actually laughing on the inside at the situation.That's because you're a mega troll. You make posts constantly complaining about something. I don't know, you kind of seem like someone who is spoiled or something. You constantly complain about something and won't take the simple advice or put up or shut up (regarding paying to improve or work with those who will take what you've got). And no, I won't worship someone who makes threads about: Rant about models #1: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #2: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #3: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #4: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #5: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #6: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #7: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Do you seriously not get (even from your posting in critique) that, obviously, models DO shoot TF, but just not with you. There are lots of TF nude models, but many more paid ones and you've got to have a fucking EXCEPTIONAL portfolio to get them to TF with you OR a great attitude, of which you (according to past critiques) have neither. Your attitude fucking blows. Every post you make is about bashing models - the very same people you constantly bitch won't work with you. See, now they won't even work with you for pay: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Your lack of professionalism is painfully obvious. Thread asking if a model would 'relieve' a male model's erection: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking on advice on how to 'hook up' with a model which in and of itself isn't a big deal, people fuck all the time, but when considering the tone in which written, coupled with your other threads... http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread praising model with spread shots (which in and of itself, again, isn't a bad thing, but when taken in context with your other threads...): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you'd like to work with the world's strongest vag for 'art' purposes or whateverthefuck: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about your failure in communications and failure in obtaining a valid model release: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you failed to fulfill your contractual obligations even though you had at least two other options in which to do so: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Added to all this, you have got to be the biggest troll since that Michael kid with all his exhibit threads, Thread about trolling: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about horror stories: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Define a GWC thread (You have only to look in the mirror, young grasshopper ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking for list of trainwreck threads on MM: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread whining about friend requests (yes, you did it in this very thread, stand accused, sir): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread complaining about mod abuse - check the comment on all of your locked threads: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Honestly, I don't even give a flying fuck if this post gets me brigged. You are a GWC extraordinaire and it's a fucking head scratcher that your ass gets ANY models to work with you when considering all of your prior posts.wow all this ... blows me away - kabooooommmmm is right
So you don't shoot TF, huh ?... in General Industry
That's because you're a mega troll. You make posts constantly complaining about something. I don't know, you kind of seem like someone who is spoiled or something. You constantly complain about something and won't take the simple advice or put up or shut up (regarding paying to improve or work with those who will take what you've got). And no, I won't worship someone who makes threads about: Rant about models #1: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #2: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #3: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #4: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #5: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #6: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #7: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Do you seriously not get (even from your posting in critique) that, obviously, models DO shoot TF, but just not with you. There are lots of TF nude models, but many more paid ones and you've got to have a fucking EXCEPTIONAL portfolio to get them to TF with you OR a great attitude, of which you (according to past critiques) have neither. Your attitude fucking blows. Every post you make is about bashing models - the very same people you constantly bitch won't work with you. See, now they won't even work with you for pay: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Your lack of professionalism is painfully obvious. Thread asking if a model would 'relieve' a male model's erection: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking on advice on how to 'hook up' with a model which in and of itself isn't a big deal, people fuck all the time, but when considering the tone in which written, coupled with your other threads... http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread praising model with spread shots (which in and of itself, again, isn't a bad thing, but when taken in context with your other threads...): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you'd like to work with the world's strongest vag for 'art' purposes or whateverthefuck: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about your failure in communications and failure in obtaining a valid model release: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you failed to fulfill your contractual obligations even though you had at least two other options in which to do so: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Added to all this, you have got to be the biggest troll since that Michael kid with all his exhibit threads, Thread about trolling: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about horror stories: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Define a GWC thread (You have only to look in the mirror, young grasshopper ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking for list of trainwreck threads on MM: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread whining about friend requests (yes, you did it in this very thread, stand accused, sir): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread complaining about mod abuse - check the comment on all of your locked threads: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Honestly, I don't even give a flying fuck if this post gets me brigged. You are a GWC extraordinaire and it's a fucking head scratcher that your ass gets ANY models to work with you when considering all of your prior posts.KABOOM! [img]http://tonova.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/kaboom.jpg[/img]
So you don't shoot TF, huh ?... in General Industry
Noone is pissed. I'm actually laughing on the inside at the situation.That's because you're a mega troll. You make posts constantly complaining about something. I don't know, you kind of seem like someone who is spoiled or something. You constantly complain about something and won't take the simple advice or put up or shut up (regarding paying to improve or work with those who will take what you've got). And no, I won't worship someone who makes threads about: Rant about models #1: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #2: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #3: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #4: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #5: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #6: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #7: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Do you seriously not get (even from your posting in critique) that, obviously, models DO shoot TF, but just not with you. There are lots of TF nude models, but many more paid ones and you've got to have a fucking EXCEPTIONAL portfolio to get them to TF with you OR a great attitude, of which you (according to past critiques) have neither. Your attitude fucking blows. Every post you make is about bashing models - the very same people you constantly bitch won't work with you. See, now they won't even work with you for pay: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Your lack of professionalism is painfully obvious. Thread asking if a model would 'relieve' a male model's erection: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking on advice on how to 'hook up' with a model which in and of itself isn't a big deal, people fuck all the time, but when considering the tone in which written, coupled with your other threads... http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread praising model with spread shots (which in and of itself, again, isn't a bad thing, but when taken in context with your other threads...): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you'd like to work with the world's strongest vag for 'art' purposes or whateverthefuck: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about your failure in communications and failure in obtaining a valid model release: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you failed to fulfill your contractual obligations even though you had at least two other options in which to do so: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Added to all this, you have got to be the biggest troll since that Michael kid with all his exhibit threads, Thread about trolling: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about horror stories: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Define a GWC thread (You have only to look in the mirror, young grasshopper ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking for list of trainwreck threads on MM: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread whining about friend requests (yes, you did it in this very thread, stand accused, sir): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread complaining about mod abuse - check the comment on all of your locked threads: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Honestly, I don't even give a flying fuck if this post gets me brigged. You are a GWC extraordinaire and it's a fucking head scratcher that your ass gets ANY models to work with you when considering all of your prior posts.
2 places available: Glamour Lodge Shoot, May 7th in Events
Unfortunately, a couple of photographers have had to cancel their attendance at this coming Saturdays shoot at Channels Lodge near Chelmsford, this coming Saturday. It's a great opportunity to shoot in some fantastic locations. I've pasted details from the original post here. If anyone is interested in joining us, please let me know, either via mayhem mail, or with a comment below. thanks Sean ___________________________ Channels Lodge Photo Shoot 2011: May 7th After two years of very successful group shoots at the Channels Lodge, the third will take place in May this year. As in the last couple of years, this will be held at Channels Lodge. This is a premier photo shoot event strictly limited to 15 photographers. It will occur on: Saturday May 7th Arrive at venue at about 12midday on Saturday May 7th Depart by 10:00a.m. on Sunday May 8th. Address: Channels Lodge Belsteads Farm Lane Little Waltham Chelmsford Essex CM3 3PT GLPS | What is it? It is set in a splendid 400year-old Lodge in gorgeous landscaped private grounds. There is period furniture, large windows, Oak beams, free standing baths, walk in showers, fireplaces, architectural features and a segregated area for outside shots. This is a photo shoot in a fantastic location that is aimed at established, quality models and photographers. We have sole access to 13 bedrooms during the day. But there is more…....we have sole use of the hotel for the whole night too. The price is £125 per photographer, which includes bed and breakfast for two people. It is expected that the two bed places will be taken by the photographer and his/her model. Aims and Objectives - To produce quality images that benefit the togs, mods, MUA’s and the community. - To get together with like-minded people in beautiful surroundings and take great photographs. - To share techniques and ideas. - To form a safe, affordable, friendly and mutual photographic society in comfortable surroundings. - To have a lot of fun! Format Although the event is billed as a group photo-shoot, it will be run as a parallel group of individual shoots. Each photographer shoots their own model in different locations. There is no lottery, there is no mandatory model sharing or exchanging. Even so, there's nothing to stop you coming to your own arrangement with other photographers attending on the day, of course. The event is by invitation only to Photographers. Each photographer is expected to arrange their own model. There are 5 shooting sessions, each of 90 minutes. At each session, you change location. This is to allow other photographers the chance to use the better spots and get variation of images. Detail This is the draft timetable for the day. It is basically split into 5 sessions of 1.5 hours. The reason for the 'sessions' is to ensure that the same tog does not hold onto the better spots all day. Of course, you don't have to use the room given to you, so long as you do not interfere with your peers or cause the owner to chuck us out. A shooting spot allocation system will be in operation throughout the day and managed by two administrators. Each photographer is assured a place in each grade of shooting location. 11:00-12:30 Arrive, social, Lunch and chat. 12:30 Health and safety, Make Up 13.30 Session 1: 15:00 Session 2: 16:30 Session 3: 18:00-19:00 Dinner, socialise and chat 19:00 Session 4: 20:30 Session 5: 22:00 End of Official Sessions - Rooms available for sleeping 22:00 Models and photographers must let their hair down, relax and party!!!! Note that we may change these times a little to suite everyone's taste. With 15 minutes to go before the end of each session, the administrators will sound a horn. this is your signal to take your last shot, pack up and move to your next location. A second and final horn will sound at the 90minutes. BY THIS TIME YOU MUST HAVE VACATED THE ROOM ready for the next tog! Insurance The organiser, administrators and venue management do not take liability for damage or loss to equipment. Please make sure you have personal liability and equipment insurance. Also take care and reasonable precautions at the event to avoid accidents and ensure opportunistic thieves are deterred(although the venue remoteness aids with this.) No-Shows This shoot is aimed at the more established photographer and model and due to its' initial cost has historically had less no-shows than most group shoots. I would like this to continue and advise that no-shows will be published. Photographers should be aware that if their sponsored model no-shows, they may potentially be left twiddling their thumbs because no other tog is compelled to swap with them. Travel The venue is not close to a bus route nor a train station. Chelmsford is the closest (perhaps 6 miles away.) MUA I will post a casting for MUAs Please note that the venue manager has requested that MUA activity is limited to a designated MUA and changing room so that the risk of damage to the rooms are minimised. Shooting Spots Shooting spots will be graded and circulated before the event. To ensure that everyone gets fair access to all facilities each photographer will be given one session in one of the A grade spots, two in B grade and two in the C grade. All the bedrooms have TV and DVD players so you can have music while you shoot. Multi Models The venue is on a substantial plot but access to the historic rooms can be tight, therefore the house is insured for a limited number of attendees. The event is geared up to each photographer bringing one model. However, using two models, one for early sessions and one for later sessions would be acceptable. Anyone considering two models at once please let me know as we need to manage the numbers. Chaperones and Wives Unfortunately, due to the limited space, chaperones cannot be accommodated at this event. Wives or partners who will be modelling are welcome. Sleeping Arrangements Though it is difficult to plan this so far in advanced as until payment is made, we don't know exactly who is coming. We will try to ensure that partners share rooms. We will ensure that photographers and models are in separate rooms. There are a number of rooms that have queen size beds only so it is possible that you will need your pyjamas. A sleeping plan will be put together, so that where there are preferences, they can be accommodated. If you plan to shoot past 23:00 you may request which room to sleep in BUT THIS CANNOT BE GUARANTEED. We also cannot guarantee who you will be sharing with-if anyone. In the past two years, we've never needed to have rooms shared, but it's no guarantee. The final sleeping plan will be organised on the day. Expect the worse - you may be sharing a room with me. Or Kev. Food Food and drink is available from the restaurant about 100yards away from the main venue. Food orders stop at 21:00 and the bar shuts at 23:00. Food ranges from sandwiches and baguettes for around £4 and hot meals for around £7. Breakfast is served at the restaurant and is included in the price. Nudity Nude shooting is ok in the rooms. Although the venue is in a remote, rural location, it sits within the grounds of a Golf Course. We will be trying to establish a secure outside area for shooting nudes but this is not confirmed. Equipment With 15 togs lurking, we may have similar equipment, so look after your tackle. It may be prudent to label it. There will be a room in an adjacent barn that will be the togs room where the bags can be left in relative security. Because we will be moving rooms between each sessions, consider how you will be doing this. Keep health and safety in mind. Please bring extension leads if using mains lighting. ___________________________ ps: My first posting to the forums here for a casting such as this, I've looked through the rules, and think I'm okay, but even so, my apologies if I've inadvertently broken any mayhem laws.
I'm confused in General Industry
Fair enough, but you didn't ask the model -- you started a thread, implying that you think what the model is doing is wrong. Judging by the responses (e.g. "you can't cure stupid" and calling the model's position "shit") indicates that your audience has already passed judgment on the model's position without even attempting to understand that particular model's concerns. These were predictable responses. Sure, you are welcome to interpret my "It's none of your business" response as meddling & ironic; I'll say that you invited that response. But it's less meddlesome that crying to the mods, isn't it? I'll say that my response in total is right-on -- just as the group here heard judgment when you asked your question, it is also likely that the model (whom you should be asking instead of the forum) will also hear judgment in your question. It is highly likely that asking the model will sound disrespectful to her, and remember, that model talks with every other model in the universe. Who knows, maybe the manager is easier to deal with than the model. Maybe the model doesn't speaka the English. Maybe the model is more likely to show up if the manager is involved. So my central answer remains the same -- the universe will address this issue for you: if the model finds work her way, she'll be happy; if the model doesn't find work her way, she'll either stop modeling or she'll find a better way to conduct her business. Either way, you don't need to be involved. I am advocating acceptance, and I repeat, if you want to work with her, respect her restrictions; if you don't want to respect her restrictions, don't work with her.
PORTLAND HOTTIES- May 28th - Implied/Topless/ Nude in Events
Type of shoot : Fashoin/Nude/Topless/ Implied, 18+ only Date : Saturday, May, 28th Time : Group shoot event from 11am to 3pm. Private one-on-one shoot from 3pm to 7:00pm ( longer if models booked work) Location: Beautiful Private home in the Portland Area Great Master Bedroom, Jacuzzi bathtub , leather furniture, 1 or 2 moter cycles, Beautiful kitchen.. Food and non-alcoholic drinks will be served Escorts, husbands, boy/girlfriends, managers, body-guards are allowed provided that they pay the $60 fee This shoot will be fashion to nude based. Will be adding models once confirmed for this event! Will have models 15 (for a guaranteed total of 10 models) Slots are filling up quick, Dont Miss out on this ... Save your spot now. This event will sell out. I'm only looking for 20 photographers... The event will be from 11am to 7pm May 28th 11am to 2:30 pm is the group shoot. 2:30pm Snacks and water provided 3pm is 1 on 1's with six 30 minute sessions. 10 minutes to change and setup between each session. This particular shoot will be held at a beautiful home with both indoor and outdoor shooting possibilities. Renting a Pocket Wizards is recommended. You may bring your own lighting equipment! Model releases will be sold for no more or less than stated below: 10 dollars per non-nude model release 15 dollars per implied model release 20 dollars per nude model release Please bring your own releases for your favorite models to sign! You are not required to purchase a release from models that you do not work with nor favor. Hire models after the event for 1 on 1 shoots at 1/2 hour increments Please contact models for their personal rates for the 1 on 1s!!! Time Slots 3:00 - 3:30 pm 3:40 - 4:10 pm 4:20 - 4:50 pm 5:00 - 5:30 pm 5:40 - 6:10 pm 6:20 - 6:50 pm No later than 8pm for 1 on 1's Registration information: Event Date: Saturday, May 28th Address: Will be sent to you several days before the event. Paypal payment: Don't have Paypal? Better apply for one or miss out! Group shoot cost: $60, $30 deposit Paid via paypal! Message me for paypal address. *Deposits are non-refundable unless event is canceled. Your deposit can go towards the next event if you can't make this event. Any questions message me or Jasmine Mendez ( Event Assistant) www.modelmayhem.com/730469 CONFIRMED MODELS Jasmine Mendez [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/101027/20/4cc8efe4c4b81.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/730469 Sonoko [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110512/00/4dcb8d2c0119b.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/2183611 Ashley Heaven [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/090824/20/4a935c03a8be3.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/52421 Amelia Talon "PLAYBOY MODEL" [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110412/17/4da4f1d0be14b.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/198125 Destiny [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110430/11/4dbc59811666c.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/2188135 Ashley Sivley [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110523/09/4dda8a3a51d8e.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/2234104 MissKells [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110207/19/4d50be65c49da.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/2096935 AND MORE TO COME
SEAF: Workshops for Models Seattle May 21-22 in Events
Negotiating Model Fees: How to Get Paid for Climbing Trees Naked Mariah Carle Sunday, May 22 12:00 pm to 1:30 pm $25 Center for Sex Positive Culture, 1602 15th Ave W, Seattle, WA 98119 Buy tickets http://seattle-erotic.org/ Mariah Carle This class will cover the importance of negotiating a model’s fees. It will include specific examples of how to open the conversation to your modeling fees, luxury value VS bargain basement, presenting a counter offer, accepting non-cash payment, understanding artists’ set budgets, and when to leave the job on the table and walk away. Anyone interested in modeling of any form should take this class. Branding for Models: Selling Yourself Without Selling Your Soul Mariah Carle Saturday, May 21 2:00 pm to 3:30 pm $25 Center for Sex Positive Culture, 1602 15th Ave W, Seattle, WA 98119 For tickets: http://seattle-erotic.org/ This class will cover the importance of branding your image as well as your “model name”. A model with a strong name and known presence is hired more often for higher pay than a model with no known reputation. A model’s reputation is only part of her brand. This workshopw will cover how to set up a stage name, how to research your markets, and common mistakes that cost many models their jobs. You will learn the tools to create a unique brand that fits into the modeling you want to get hired for. From 2005 to 2010, Mariah traveled the US working as a nude figure model. She has worked with over 600 photographers and fine artists and has been published in an extensive collection of web and print media as well as gallery exhibits. In 2011 she opened a full service photography studio in Oakland, CA. Her successful experience in nude modeling as a business allows her to teach others how they can create art, have fun, and get paid. For more info visit carlephotography.com and bayareaboudoir.com. --------------- Open Photography Sessions at the Center for Sex Positive Culture Saturday, May 21 and Sunday, May 22 11:00 am to 4:00 pm $25 Center for Sex Positive Culture, 1602 15th Ave W, Seattle, WA 98119 FSPC The Center for Sex Positive Culture is typically a “no photography zone”, but for this weekend you can enjoy the rare opportunity of shooting anything you want. The Center, the Festival’s warehouse, and the warehouse studio will all be open for photoshoots. Models and photographers are encouraged to attend all day and take advantage of this sexy setting. Our hope is that this grows into an event where the art at the next Festival was made at this Festival. All you have to do is follow some basic rules. Clean it up, or put it back; if you make a mess or move stuff, just restore it to its original condition before you move on. You are responsible for your own releases. Bring your own lights, camera and makeup. Do not shoot people without their permission. We will have meet-and-greet times from 11:00 am to noon each day with coffee and snacks so you can mingle and get to know people to potentially photograph, but we do not promise models will be available and encourage you to network and plan ahead of time. For models and photographers scan the who's going list and make appointments to shoot in advance with the people you want to work with.
Carfax for Photographers in Photography Talk
MM is a good example of the benefits as well as the pitfalls of the internet. It provides a lightning fast way for models, MUAs, and photographers to find one another and set up collaborations. But it does assume good will on everyone's part, and currently, it provides no effective way to identify those few individuals who violate good will and threaten to undermine the value of MM. I suppose the most frequent complaint photographers have is the no-show model. A number of us photographers have had this experience at least once. You commit your time and often your money to what you believe will be a good shoot, and then the model flakes, leaving the photographer and the MUA in the lurch. While most frequent complaint models have about photographers is failing to supply promised images, the most serious complaint models have is about photographers crossing the boundaries dictated by professionalism (and common human decency) and engaging in over-the-top sexual innuendo or unwanted touching of models. I do know several models who have experienced this. And I think some men don't fully realize how psychologically traumatic such experiences can be for women. The "car-fax" model might help with identifying problem members of MM. Background checks can be useful, but only in a limited way. A model who flakes on a photographer or a photographer who behaves unethically toward a model is unlikely to add that person's name to his or her portfolio, so with thousands of models and photographers on the site, I don't believe the word is likely to spread. For example, I have had no way to spread the word about my own worst experience with a no-show model because when I did post a complaint on her page, she of course removed it immediately. And I see that she still posts fairly frequent casting notices. I have no idea whether I am the only photographer she flaked on or whether she does it often. The same is true for the unethical photographer; he can do a lot of damage before he's "outed." Even at the top levels of the profession, there are apparently some photographers who have abused their positions in their treatment of models and have not had to answer for it for years. The vast majority of people on MM, models and photographers alike, are good people who are serious about their work, whether they are novices or experts, full-time professionals or just pursuing a labor of love in their spare hours. But my own experience with both models and other photographers has convinced me that there is a very small, but very problematic, minority, and that there is currently not an sufficiently effective mechanism for dealing with the few bad apples in the barrel.
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