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Asked again: model release... in General Industry
If a model is worrying that a release may take away all her rights to her own photos, she does not understand the legalities. A model release generally has no bearing on whether or not the model can use the images, it only has bearing on how others may use the images. Generally, in the US, without paperwork to the contrary, a model does not have any inherent rights to the images from a photo shoot. What she may have is the right to place restrictions on certain uses of her likeness. A "model release" is a document where the model grants permission for use of her likeness. A "model release" does not give the model any rights to the images. A document which gives the model rights, is no longer a "model release" (although it may contain a release). If a model wants to use the images, she generally needs permission from the copyright holder (usually the photographer). This document is called a "usage license". If the model wants to prevent some or all of the images from being shown she needs to make an agreement with the photographer. This is called a "contract". A model release may give permission to use her likeness for any purposes (a "full release") or for specific purposes (i.e. to promote a specific business in print advertising for a period of one year). A "Usage License" may allow the model to reproduce the images for specific uses (i.e. to promote model's career on facebook, Model Mayhem, Comp Cards, business cards and in model's portfolio) A contract may place any additional restrictions and obligations that the parties agree to (i.e. Photographer will destroy and not release/display any images un which the model's nipples are visible, Photographer will not sell prints of the photographs, who will be paid, how much and when). It is generally much cleaner if the above are separate documents. If the model wants to make prints at CostCo, they want to see a simple usage license. They don't want to wade through a long document and have to decide if the rest of the terms were met and the model therefore has the right to make prints. If the photographer wants to use the images in a context where a release is needed, a third party will want to see a nice simple release. Not a long document that drags in other issues which need to be worried about. It is certainly possible for all three to be combined into a single, however this should not be attempted by amateurs. Getting it wrong might invalidate the entire document. The law is tricky, and frequently does not make sense. Anytime you need a legal agreement, it should be written by an attorney. This is even more important for complicated documents like a combined release/usage license/contract. Of course, These are only generalities. There are lots of exceptions, and some of this may not apply in any particular situation. Laws vary by country, and in the US by state. I am not a lawyer and you should not rely on anything I say. For reliable legal advice, you should always consult an attorney who specializes in this field.
Tue Mar 27 07:02 2012 in reply to DeeEight
90% of Life............ in General Industry
[img]http://www.johnfisher.com/images/1nm1714fshair.jpg[/img] Model: Jessica Bleier, who shows up (in magazines) all the time! I thought I’d take a minute to discuss one aspect of modeling which isn’t well understood either by the models themselves (I think), or the photographers who wish to work with them. You may have noticed a number of threads (usually initiated by a photographer) which are basically complaints about models who don’t show up, or even follow through on requests to shoot (some even initiated by the models themselves). I’ve had my own experiences with this (one in particular which really put me around the bend early in my career), and I thought I’d talk about what it feels like to be on the other side of the camera. A long time ago (maybe twenty five years ago), Proctor and Gamble decided to reintroduce a marketing icon, Mr. Clean, back into their advertising. As a part of their re-launch of the Mr. Clean logo, Proctor and Gamble had a Mr. Clean look-a-like model search to use at supermarket openings. A woman executive at an advertising client of mine got in touch with me about this and suggested it might be fun for me to enter the model search (the Eastern Regional contest was being held in Washington, DC where I was based at the time). It seemed a little silly, but I did look a little like Mr. Clean at the time, and I thought it might be interesting to experience what models go through emotionally when they are sitting on the other side of the table from me during an interview. I did all of my due diligence, learned the song, got the outfit, buffed up a little, and as the time grew closer many of my friends said they wanted to attend the contest finals with me at a big hotel in DC. So far, so good. But a funny thing happened the night before the contest. After I had all the makeup and the outfit ready to go, I suddenly decided this was a little silly, and I had no idea why I thought it was a good idea several weeks ago. I told my wife I wasn’t going to go downtown in the morning. But she reminded me I looked perfect for the part, that all my friends were coming over to join us for the show, and my wife wanted to know why I was going to disappoint them? Soooo, I once again decided to go to the contest in the morning (after all, I did have the makeup and the outfit!) So the morning came, and as we started to go to the show, I once again decided that this was just too silly and I wanted out. I really wanted out. We could all go into the hotel and watch the contest, but I wasn’t going to participate. And then it dawned on me, this is what it’s like to be a model going to your first casting or job interview. Everyone has always told you that you could be a model, and you are happy that they think so, you want to be a model, but when it finally comes to doing it, it suddenly feels like the worst idea possible! I decided to power through the contest, it was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done sitting in a room with 50(!) other Mr. Clean look-a-likes, singing the song, and answering questions about why I wanted to be Mr. Clean. But I did it. At the time I was a 35 year old fully grown man with a (relatively) successful career behind me, and I somehow managed to push my way through the interview. Here is the rub as I can best explain it. When people say you can do something, you are flattered. When they say it often enough, you consider it. When the opportunity sounds like fun and it will impress your friends, you get excited about the opportunity and you seek it out. Everything is great, you can be a model. The only fly in the ointment is when you actually try to be a model. Then (and only then) do you risk failure. If you never actually try, you can always be, forever! It is only in trying that failure is possible (and let’s face it, even likely). All the cards are stacked in favor of wanting to do it, saying you want to do it, but not in actually trying to do it. You get all the psychic rewards... with none of the risk! Now I was 35 when the Mr. Clean contest was held, and had a lot of life experiences behind me. Think how powerful these emotions are on a young person who’s life experiences are short. Even today, when I have a big job to do for a major client these emotions are with me. I am so excited when I interview for the job, so happy when I get the job. But the day before, the morning of the actual work, I am a little terrified, I wonder what was I thinking? But I have been through this many times before, I put one foot in front of the other and out the door I go. When the job is finished I am frequently really pleased with what I’ve done, even a little surprised at times. But I’ve done this many times before, successfully (thank God!), or I wouldn’t still be in the business. That young person interviewing for their first modeling job doesn’t have any of this to bolster them. In some respects it’s a wonder anyone actually shows up! Just something to think about while your sitting in the studio with the client, makeup artist and the stylist drumming your fingers wondering where the hell that stupid model is. And yes, as Woody Allen said, “90% of life is just showing up!” John -- John Fisher 900 West Avenue, Suite 633 Miami Beach, Florida 33139 305 534-9322 http://www.johnfisher.com
Thu Mar 15 08:53 2012
Model Compensation... in Photography Talk
In my opinion, photographers who get offended when models ask to get paid are not being very "professional".I agreed with some of the points you made but not really this one about photographers not being professional because they questioned her want on getting paid. Is there anything wrong with a model wanting to get paid? No. Does she deserve to be paid? Most people want to be paid for their time. I have done shoots for free before and I hate it but I did it and the model is now a repeat customer because she knows my work and how I helped her out when she was starting. The other day I viewed a good number of profiles and I came across several that had photos that were not professionally done (i.e. shot with a cell phone or point and shoot), the model didn't look like she knew what she was doing and yes I do think its the photographer's job to pose the model but the point I am making is that based on her profile here on MM, and I can only go by that, if she had amateurish photos posted how then can she say she will ONLY work for paid assignments? I agree with someone may have filled these models heads and said don't accept any shoots where your not getting paid. I have no idea. If I came across a profile that just blew me away and the pics were professionally done and I said to myself I would like to work with this model then yea I don't have no problem booking and paying that person if she only accepts paid assignments. Sometimes I just need a model or models to make an appearance at an event and they know way in advance that they will be paid for their time. The bottom line, I can only go by what is written or posted in their MM profiles. Some models will say they will do TFP shoots but prefer paid assignments which is cool. I came across one profile and her only experience was being in her High School's fashion show and yet she was one of the "paid assignment only" models. If you notice most of the Very Experienced model profiles on here almost all have PAID ASSIGNMENTS ONLY! Why? They have experience. They don't want no photographer wasting their time on a shoot or acts like he is not sure what he wants and can't deliver. Many of them - modeling is there "9 to 5" job so I totally understand where they are coming from. Its the ones that have ZERO experience but want to act as if they have years of experience and demand payment. I had a model with little experience, tell me recently she wanted me to pay her $400 for 2 hours of work! There was no way that was going to happen! She did get paid for her 2 hours of work but it was not $400! I really didn't want this to turn into a rant. I just made an observation while viewing profiles and wanted to voice my opinion thats all.
Sun Mar 11 10:55 2012
Jobs with the surprisingly low pay... which in General Industry
Looking at the survey that this article is based on, I find that the numbers they report for models are useless. Forbes' source is the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Here is the BLS definition of Models: http://www.bls.gov/soc/2010/soc419012.htm Note that they classify modeling within "Sales and Related Occupations", not (for example) within "Arts, Design, Entertainment, Sports, and Media Occupations". So I think they're leaving out a lot of models that way. They seem to be thinking mostly of promotional models. (Within "Sales", Models are part of the subcategory "Models, Demonstrators, and Product Promoters".) Here is the detailed data on models: http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes419012.htm#nat Note that this information is from a survey of employers and does not include self-employed models. Also it is a sampling, not a comprehensive census. For these reasons, most if not all of the highest-earning fashion models and "spokesmodels" would not be included. Finally, note that most of the models they list are employed by colleges and universities. I'm guessing this means that they're actually mostly counting artists' models. Their "annual wage" numbers are derived by multiplying an hourly rate by 2,080 hours. This is equivalent to 40 hours per week, 52 weeks per year. Obviously that is invalid for most models. The only relevant conclusion to be drawn from all this is that artists' models at colleges and universities make on average about $16/hour. Big surprise.
Fri Mar 9 07:12 2012 in reply to Images by MR
Saturday March 17th, 2012 12p.m.-8:30 p.m. Three workshops in one!!!! Use of the location for creating your own images. Plus, some sweet props and accessories to shoot with!!! You can attend one workshop or all three!! The first two workshops are $40 each, the last is $80 You can also use the location during the workshop(s) you are not attending for an additional $20. Workshop III includes use of the location. You must attend a workshop in order to use the location. Workshop schedule 12pm to 2:00pm - Workshop I – Indoor Studio Limited to 6 photographers • Posing a model on a bike – (A beautiful female model for Casual, Biker and Bikini) • Posing a model on a bike – (Rugged male model for Casual and Biker guy) • Studio lighting setup and adjustments • White Balance 101 • Light meter 101 • Camera adjustments during a studio photo session • Manual adjustment of color temperature • Using a Polarizing filter in a studio setting • Answer the question of what is the subject; the model or the bike and how to do both? • Workshop fee $40 – Use of the location $20 (must attend Workshop I or II to use the location) • Use of the location is from 2:30pm to 4:30pm 2:30pm to 4:30pm- Workshop II – Outside Limited to 6 photographers • Posing a model on a bike – (A beautiful female model for Casual, Biker and Bikini) • Posing a model on a bike – (Rugged male model Casual and Biker) • Outdoor shooting of a bike (both moving and motionless) • Camera adjustments during an outdoor photo session • When to use Servo, Multi and Single shot? • Using a Polarizing filter • Use of Fill Flash • Panning a shot • Answer the question of what is the subject; the model or the bike and how to do both • Use of the location is from 12pm to 2:00pm • Workshop fee $40 – Use of the location $20 (must attend Workshop I or II to use the location) 5:00pm to 6:30pm - Workshop III – Exclusive indoor Studio Limited to 6 photographers only 6:30pm to 8:30pm or more - Use of the location • Posing a model on a bike – (A beautiful female model for Biker Babe, Bikini, Lingerie and Implied) How to create a “shot list” to get the shots you want from a model • Learn to talk to a model before and during the photo session to get the shots you want • Using Studio lighting • Using Studio Hot lights • Shadow and Light creative ideas • Using color filters on lighting equipment • Camera adjustments during a studio photo session • Manual adjustment of color temperature on camera • Use of the location is from 6:30pm to 8:30pm and is included with your original fee • Workshop fee $80 includes use of the location from 6:30pm to 8:30pm • Attendee must attend the Workshop III for the use of the location Additional information Photographer’s fee includes • Shoe mount Triggers for Studio lighting • Use of the studio lighting • Snacks and drinks • Lounge with tables and chairs • Power for charger, laptop and Tablets • Pick from a preselect assortment of custom bikes • Support staff to move Custom Bikes around
Mon Mar 5 13:56 2012
Is this real or a scam? in General Industry
Good evening Arden, my name is -------- and I work as an intern for ------------------------- One of our photographers(---------) recently retired and one of my assigned tasks is to help find new out of area models that he wouldn't have had the chance to work with prior to retirement that may appreciate an opportunity to grow in the art. When he worked here, he partnered with living imagery in Chicago who run a contest every quarter where the top three finalist are invited to a three day stay/two day shoot in Chicago, Il. Each time, he is asked to recommend three models and I would like to suggest you(you have captivating eyes) for his review. As a younger model, who has a nice beginning to her portfolio, I thought you might take unique advantage of the opportunity. Please read over the over the details below careful and let me know if you would be comfortable with the requirements and interested in a possible recommendation. Due to your location, this is not an offer to shoot with us but rather to participate in the competition under our nomination. This process is not meant to be an expense for you, but you would be responsible for setting up the shoots to produce your review photos. For the three review rounds you would be free to shoot with any photographer you are comfortable with or, in the case of the round 1 review, self shoot your photos. Mike is willing (and encourages all applicants) to discuss possible submission photos for thoughts or ideas for reshoots as you put your round 1 portfolio together. If you were invited on to round 2 and could not find a photographer you would be comfortable working with, we would consider working with you to get you down to work with us. Their submission requirements do fall a bit out of your current comfort zone as they require an artistic nude submission(I know you don't do nude and while the review photos require such a set, the shoot itself is not) as well as implied(last quarter they asked for 3 shots in each of high fashion, casual, bikini/lingerie, implied, and artistic(with the implied and artistic allowed to be self-shot if the model was not comfortable having them shot as long as they are well lit and well framed), but these requirements are for their internal staff review only and the final shoot in Chicago does not require nudity(it is normally a high fashion shoot). The reason I am reaching out to you even through your portfolio mentions you do not shoot nude, and the reason we still contact those who prefer to not shoot nude is that, in each review period, it is but a small portion of the overall portfolio and experience. About 70% of the models we recommend do not shoot nude but have decided they are willing to so for the review(some shoot with us, some have photographers they trust, and some elect to shoot those sets themselves which there is allowance for), and I would dare say that to the model everyone has decided that the overall experience and the feedback they receive throughout is worth it. The photos you submit are covered by a non release/destruction agreement which covers the destruction of all review photos within three business days of the close of the review. I know it is out of your comfort zone but I wasn’t sure if you would consider this situation different with the submission photos being for vetting purposes only and never posted anywhere. The submission process is a three round process outlined below: Round 1(deadline would be April 9th it is 18 photos) - This round is really...I don't want to say superficial, but they give you five or six sets (this round it is fashion, Casual, bikini, lingerie, implied, and artistic nude) and for each set they want three specific angles (front, side, and rear) to get your body lines and lay. These shots are to show you as a model at your most base, so no photoshop, no black and white, just straight on shots. This round is pretty much pass/fail they are just looking to see if they could work with you, your individuality as a model comes in the future rounds. This round is also tailored to newer models who just want to take the chance and see as this round the submitted shots can all be self shot as long as they are of good quality. That way you don’t need to find a photographer until you find out if you made it to round 2 and that you have a true chance. Round2(deadline would be sometime in early June)- you get to start showing who you are as a model and why they should want to work with you. They give you a number of elements (such as water or natural shadow) and you submit a portfolio of your own creation factoring in these elements. This is the round that I love, as it is amazing to watch young models grow as they develop their portfolios and they always come out of it with a portfolio they are proud of. Round 3(Deadline would be sometime around early Aug)- They ask a set of questions regarding your interests, best/most interesting experiences and a few others to try and factor in your personality, they also ask for a smaller portfolio I think of five shots that you feel best represent you as a model. The current shoot(last quarter but yours would be similar) is a fashion or shoot where the models will model three dresses from an upcoming spring line tailored to their measurements which they will keep in addition to their two day pay of just over $1300 and the three day stay in Chicago. Every quarter they fly in a special guest photographer for the shoot. No pressure, you have a great look, and I would like to suggest you to Mike for his review. If you are interested, we ask that you take five min to fill out an application to let us know a little bit about you as a model. This helps us decide who truly wants the opportunity and who will follow through. It can be found at: --------------------------------------------------- I hope you consider it, at the very least you will come out the experience with a portfolio you can be proud of!
Sat Mar 3 13:02 2012
I'm in ur Edu section in SF2
We can be clear on one thing: if you had modeled with hundreds and hundreds of photographers over several years for free in one city and never been published, should you be questioned, you could provide those stats. I think that most people would find that acceptable because of the range of experience. Tears, geographic areas covered and tear sheets, however, speak volumes as to qualifications of a model. A model who earns her sole source of income from modeling and/or racks up tear sheets is necessarily operating as a professional. Given that the piece you wrote is about conducting oneself as a professional, I'd have to say that it certainly matters. You haven't read me suggest that you need to be a traveling model to write that piece. However, traveling models stand to work with exponentially more photographers and encounter a wider range of situations. I wouldn't put it as a requirement that a model who writes a piece like that be one who travels, but I would imagine that the models on this site who are active and have the most experience would be traveling models. If you've spent most of your time in one or two markets, then your experience is only relevant to those markets. Models who've either covered a lot of ground or worked in destination cities (NYC, LA, Chicago, etc) are going to get a wide range of people coming to them. Don't take the op-ed piece down. The info provided isn't bad, just poorly structured (your major points and sub-points could probably be restructured for better clarity). But when people say things like "This should be stickied for new models to read." you're also going to have people pose the question of "Who the fuck are you?" Because if you're an unknown quantity with no way to prove you're knowledgeable to the reader who's completely unfamiliar with you (unlike people of this narrow section of the internet who think so highly of you) what you say is no more qualified than what anyone else says. Plenty of models have been lead astray by people who don't know what they hell they're talking about but present their wording in a rational manner. How can they separate good advice from a sea of bullshit? By looking at credentials. "Oh, this girl's been on the cover of XYZ 5 times and she's had 2 spreads in ABC. She's been modeling for X years and has worked in Y different cities with over Q different photographers. I don't know her, but I'd guess she knows what she's talking about." That's why it matters. That's all well and good that you've tested it. Never did you see me write that you think that you are an expert. I can say in complete honesty that I have no idea what you were thinking. However, that opinion piece is posed as an education resource for those in need of insight; you open the door for people to ask you how you're qualified. I know, I know: truth is truth and all that romantic stuff. Yeah, but for people who don't know you, everything is bullshit until qualified as otherwise. Disclaimers aren't qualifications. Even op-ed pieces on CNN.com will provide the background qualifications of the person who wrote it. "Sue Z. Sioux was the Supervisor of Plunging Operations under Reagan and Director of Toiletary Procedures during the Clinton administration. Her book 'This Shit is Out of Control' is a NYTimes bestseller. The opinions presented are those of the author and do not reflect those of CNN." or something to that effect. As for having someone else write it… if someone wants to. If you want to do something so unscrupulous as place someone else's name on it to qualify what you wrote, that's up to you; I suggest no such thing. But I do that that an educational resource should be authored by the people have the standing to do so. If that's you, great. Prove it. And you don't do it to prove it to me; you do it on principle because you should be proving it to everyone.You're being absolutely absurd, and I think your problem is with MM edu, not me in particular. My qualifications are my portfolio, and that it works. If a newbie wants to apply their critical thinking caps to my article they can either 1) decide if what I'm doing is what they want to be doing, and if it is, my advice is important or 2) think about the information objectively and whether or not it makes sense to them/would work for them. It's more ridiculous to assume that someone with tearsheets is always right. Also, MM Edu does offer exactly what you're talking about, as an "about me" at the bottom. Mine reads: And that's the truth. That's me. That's all there is to know. I have a body of work, credits to check, and just "freelance model from Austin, based in Edmonton, sometimes travels for modeling". I don't know what else you want, other than to rant.
Fri Mar 2 16:35 2012 in reply to Kincaid Blackwood
Follow us on all of our networks Official Website | Facebook Page | Twitter Page |Meetup Page Video footage of our recent event: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBgtn4eEoK4 Sin City Sinners ~ 15+ glamour models Photographers leave the wives at home for this one Theme: Naughty Sinners Day When: Saturday May 19th, 2012 from 11:00am to 6pm Where: 9,000 Sqft Mini Mansion in Las Vegas, Nevada # of Models: 15+ (Models will be posted accordingly booked) Food: Food & drinks will be provided Meet & Greet: 11am to 11:30am Group Shoot: 11:30am to 2:30pm Mini Break: 2:30pm to 2:50pm Private 1:1's: 2:50pm to 6pm Photographer Cost: $150.00 Book your own 1:1's with the model directly ~ (Pre-booking is strongly encouraged) Model Release agreements will be provided No Boyfriend/Assistants (unless they pay the entry fee) Refund Policy: No refunds. If you can't attend, we will credit your payment to the next event. 2:1 Model to Photographer Ratio Model/Photographer Rotation to assure equal time You may bring 2 strobes or your Speedlights for the indoor shoots Outside the residency, natural light, etc Model Info: Free admission Must participate in group shoot in order to sell 1:1's Must pose swimwear or lingerie in group shoot You may sell model releases for no more than $10, $20 for nudes Set your rates for 1:1 shoots & release agreements with the photographer Model Release agreements will be provided No escorts (unless they pay the photographer fee) Thread Link to our recent event: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=817306 Video footage of our recent event: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLnWHfdWNg More then 2 months to plan your trips for all interested to attend if your not local. Models or Photographers with any questions, please email me @ Arthur@groupshootevents.com [img]http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6142/gse3.jpg[/img] Limited images of the property. [img]http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8610/80194840.jpg[/img] [img]http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3145/47442583.jpg[/img] [img]http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3527/42683413.jpg[/img] Model Lineup Click on models image to contact them for 1on1 rates Nadia Brewer [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111227/21/4efaa54c8964c.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Ela Passion [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120202/16/4f2b28daab29a.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Implied Nudes Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Kimberly Pavalko [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120113/09/4f1067d4138bb.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Nicole W [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110803/08/4e3969dc78898.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Nicole [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120305/21/4f559cc0b57c5.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Kayluh Elizabeth [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100118/00/4b541a2d5b02c.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Layla Michelle [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111007/02/4e8eca033cca9.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Larrysa Rose [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110324/19/4d8bf8e95a174.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Jamie Michelle [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120131/23/4f28edde2c41f.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Stephanie Torres [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/101017/23/4cbbeff580613.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Tiffany Alexa [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120224/11/4f47e5372bec8.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Miss Yuen [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110421/15/4db0b43cd7d3c.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Shana [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120128/13/4f2465e33ca8c.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Candy [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/101231/22/4d1ec76c20a6c.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Annie Violet [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110812/02/4e44ee60f3c41.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Paisley Lais [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111117/09/4ec54748e95bb.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Samiha D [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111222/12/4ef392a51f0d5.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm MORE MODELS WILL BE ADDED SHORTLY
Wed Feb 29 17:51 2012
Deposits question in General Industry
While I figure that anything a model & a photographer agree to is their business alone, I am not a fan of models paying photographers deposits. Here are my thoughts: ... If you are the one paying the other party $$$, it is sometimes appropriate for the paying party to pay a deposit. If a photographer is going to pay a model, or if the arrangement is for a TF* session, it is (IMO) inappropriate for the photographer to ask the model for a deposit. ... Seems to me that "flake threads" dominate these forums, but there also are a significant number of "I didn't get my pictures" threads, too. If deposits are supposed to reduce the likelihood that a model will flake, why don't we think a deposit will improve the likelihood that a photographer will deliver the promised images on time? To be fair, I would think a more appropriate "deposit scheme" would go like this: --- Model & photographer agree to work together. --- Model gives the photographer a deposit (say $25). --- Model shows up on time & ready to go. --- Photographer refunds the model's deposit. --- They work together as expected. --- (If appropriate, the photographer pays the model any modeling fee). --- Photographer pays the model a deposit (say $75). (*) --- Photographer delivers the promised images in the promised format, on time. --- Model refunds the photographer's deposit. (*) The photographer's deposit is larger because a) the model's work has already been completed and b) because photographers tend to be more financially established than models; the deposit has to be big enough to be meaningful to the person paying the deposit. The size of the deposit is, of course, negotiable. But I figure that no photographer here would agree to give a model a deposit to ensure that they deliver the promised images on time. So, not a fan of deposits.
Mon Feb 27 08:31 2012 in reply to Kristine Caluya
Model Releases in Newbie Forum
http://www.ppa.com/articles/390/Model-R … equire.php States requiring a written model release: Illinois Indiana Massachusetts Nevada New York Ohio Pennsylvania Rhode Island Virginia Wisconsin Three other states (California, Kentucky and Texas) that explicitly require a written release from the heirs of someone who is deceased. States require model releases under very narrow circumstances. Arizona California Delaware Kentucky Louisiana New Jersey New Mexico Texas States that have statutes that appear to allow consent to be obtained orally or in writing. Florida Nebraska Oklahoma Tennessee Utah Washington State-by-State Statutes State Codes Requiring Written Model Releases Illinois: 765 ILCS Ann. 1075 Indiana: Indiana Code 32-36 Massachusetts: Mass. General Laws 214-3a Nevada: N.R.S. 597.720 New York: N.Y. Civil Rights Law Sections 50 and 51 Ohio: O.R.S. 2741.02 Pennsylvania: 42 Pa.C.S.A Ch. 83a §8316 Rhode Island: RIGL 9-1-28 Virginia: Va. Code Ann. 8.01-40 Wisconsin: Wis. Stat. 995.50(2)(b) State Codes with Implied Model Release Laws Arizona: Arizona Revised Stat. 12-761 Written model releases required from the solider or heirs of a solider when their likeness is used for commercial purposes. California: California Codes, Civil Code, Section 3344-3344.1 Written model releases required from heirs of person with celebrity at their time of death. Delaware: Delaware Code, Title 11, Ch. 180 §1335(a)6 Permission is required when photographing a person who is “getting dressed or undressed” and may otherwise have an expectation of privacy. Kentucky: Ky. Rev. Stat. 391.170 Written model releases required from heirs of deceased persons. Louisiana: La. Rev. Stat. 14 §102.21 Written model releases required from the heirs of a deceased solider when their likeness is used for commercial purposes. New Mexico: New Mexico State Stat, 57-22-6.3 Written model releases required when likeness is used for fundraising purposes. New Jersey: New Jersey Permanent Stat. 2A:58D-1 Permission is required when photographing “intimate parts under circumstances in which a reasonable person would not expect to be observed.” Texas: Texas Property Code 26.002 Written model releases required from heirs of deceased persons. State Codes Allowing Verbal or Written Model Releases Florida: Florida Stat. 540.08 Nebraska: Revised Statute 202-202 Oklahoma: Okla. Stat. Title 12, §1448 and 1449. However 21, § 839.1A – Explicitly requires a release from heirs of a deceased solider. Tennessee: Tennessee Code 47-25-1102 Utah: Utah Code Ann. 45-3-1 et seq. Washington: Wash. Rev. Code 63.60.010 States that Recognize Need for Model Release by Common Law These states do not have explicit model release laws in their state code however, through case law and other judicial opinions a common law “right of publicity” has been established. Alabama Arkansas Connecticut Georgia Hawaii Maine Michigan* Minnesota Missouri New Hampshire South Carolina West Virginia State Codes without Expressed Model Release Laws Alaska Colorado Idaho Iowa Kansas Maryland Mississippi Montana North Carolina North Dakota Oregon South Dakota Vermont Wyoming
Sun Feb 26 12:08 2012 in reply to Jessica H MM
MM behind the photo in General Feedback
Well you definately picked the one with a,lets say interesting tale. Shit where do I start?? To keep it simple,there were 3 models including myself,I'll refer to the other 2 models as model 1 and model 2. Shoot was up in Marquette,MI at the ice falls.8hr drive with the photog,MUA and model 1.We got to the hotel around 7pm,dropped off our bags and went to pick up model 2(she lives up there)and go to dinner.First place(sushi,yum!) was closed so we went to a bar and had ok food.Then we dropped off model 2,it was about 9pm.We went to Wal-Mart to pick up snowboots for MUA and model 1 and photog needed a few things.Got back to hotel at 10pm which was pretty late cuz we all had to get up at 5am. So 5am comes and the MUA was suppose to start model 1's make-up at 5 but model 1 got to our room(MUA and I shared a room)at 5:30.So MUA finished model 1 at 6am then started mine.We were suppose to be on our way to the falls by 6:30 but ended up leaving at 7ish. So now we get to where the falls are but had to walk .75 of a mile to get to the actual falls.Because of all the warming and then cooling we've been having(very odd winter here)the trails were packed down snow on top of ice.Pretty slippery but walkable.So we finaly get to where the falls are but in order to get to the base of the falls we had to go down a very steep slope.This is where the "fun" part begins... This slope was pretty steep,a bit steeper than a staircase,and about 50 feet long.So we had a rope w/knots(skinny rope,knots no bigger than a walnut)that we had to slide our hand down as we slid down the slope.The slope had tree roots and rocks jutting out of it but was fairly covered in ice and snow so it wasn't TOO bad but not fun.When I went to go down,per request of the photog,I wrapped the rope around my arm once by my wrist.I knew this wasn't a good idea cuz the rope could get caught up and my wrist would get "noosed" but I did it cuz thats what he said to do.BIG mistake.Rope got caught up and my wrist got "noosed".Hurt like hell but no real damage. Now on to the next slope.Same as the first but you had to guide yourself to the left so you didn't hit a tree.No problems here. While still clothed we chose were we would be posing and then model 2 did her set.Passerbys came through so we had to wait for about 45min.Then model 1 went.Next I went.We all posed for a total of 5-7min a piece so we wouldn't freeze our butts off.We also had layers of clothing,snowpants and chemical warmers to keep us warm trekking out there and back. So now we have to get back up the slope.This is where it get REALLY FUN.We decided,after seeing hikers do it,to use the rope and climb up off to the side of the slippery part.There were footholes and more snow than ice so it was a lil easier to get your footing on.I grab the rope and start climbing.Pretty easy til I got about 3ft away from the top.Theres a bunch of tree roots intertwining and they're covered in ice so I couldn't find a good spot to step while I pulled myself up.The rope was "stretchy" so I didn't feel like I had a steady resistance and then the knots slid right through my hands and I fell about 3ft.Thankfully I caught myself before falling all the way down.I would've been hurt REALLY bad if I did.I gathered myself enough to get up to the top and then I sat down and cried for a couple min.That fall scared the hell outta me and really shook me up. Model 1 & 2,MUA and photog made it up without falling but it wasn't easy.We trekked back to the car and headed home. End of story
Sat Feb 25 22:03 2012 in reply to JM Studios
stylist rights to portfolio images and credit in Photography Talk
so this is a two parter that i will try and keep short. i am a makeup artist,stylist, and model. my good friend is an amateur photographer. she had just purchased a legit camera (not point and shoot) and i was the first model she shot with it. i was already a published and well established model/name in the pinup community and she was just starting out. no contracts were ever signed but it was understood since we were friends that i wouldnt charge her and i would get use of the images. i always credit the photographer! we ventured into a magazine (print on demand) together and it was understood the first issue would be mainly me modeling and id provide free styling for myself and the few other models in the magazine shoots. again no contracts. my compensation was a creative outlet, published, and of course the use of the photos in my port. she called me co-editor and content editor. at the beginning i already knew i wasnt living up to the responsibilities of the title but wrote it off to her being a control freak and understood as i myself can be the same. before we ventured into issue two it was discussed that since issue one got her name out there (to people who recognized me but had never heard of her), and using the fact that people in the pinup world were beginning to take notice of me that we could start charging models for the styling. i had invested quite a bit in issue one with traveling an hour back and forth to the shoots, supplies, and taking time off from paid shoots dedicating myself to the magazine i was "co-editing". as issue two began i started noticing that i was less and less involved, was unaware of the content (i was called content editor) and was slowly being squeezed out as a model and makeup artist. the pieces began to be put together for me and i noticed i had no say creatively as an artist something id written off to "control freak", had yet to be paid for any of the work i had already done, and even found out about the release party online like everyone else. a date i had already booked for an out of town signing. realizing i had been had i confronted her only to be met with a totally different person. i walked away from the future planned shoots and washed my hands of it. unfortunately she had already gotten her name out there, taken my contacts as her own (retro lovely, pinup models, pinup photographers, etc all who knew me legitimizing her as a photographer). i understood lesson learned and that i couldnt unring that bell. within 24 hours the entire website had been changed, all my credit for the makeup i had already done was erased, the shoots i had already done for the second issue were not included nor was i given edited copies or copies at all as my compensation, she lined up a new "makeup artist" and had found my model replacement in an eager new model. i then realized that perhaps this had been planned longer than i had known. i know i said id make this short sorry. i wrote this off to lesson learned and continued focusing on my modeling which i had put off to help her out. there were no conflicts until recently after i had received more recognition and publications as a model. suddenly my replacement model and "stylist" began sending me horrific text messages accusing me of stealing work, taking credit that isnt mine, lying, cheating you name it. i had and have absolutely no idea what this girl is referring to. i got threats to slander my name, be called a drug addict and that they would say i hadnt done any of the work that i had done. i notified the police and they said to not respond and unless its physical or property its a civil court matter. i took the advice. i again received more from the model (working under the guidance of the photographer i presume since i dont know this girl), threatening to "out" me, and say god only knows what if i dont remove all her photos from my portfolio. she had also removed all credit on her ports on mm, fb and the like, along with the photographer. as of today she is on fb slandering me like... like... the movies or something. blatant lies i can prove through text messages and statements from people who were there but... im saving that for a lawyer. after, the actual photographer, my old friend, also asked me to remove personal photos i had taken of us quoting washington law that i have infringed her personality or something, even though these are candid photos from my camera, where she isnt tagged or ridiculed in any way. i know please bear with me. my questions are. as a model who never signed a release expect through verbal agreements and back and forth emails discussing the first issue, am i entitled to anything seeing as she made money from my images with no release? as a stylist are there any laws stating that they MUST give me credit for my work? AND since i have verbal and written emails assuring id be paid and wasnt am i entitled to anything? since we were friends and it was understood i used the photos in my portfolio (at the very least since i was never paid), and now that we arent friends (and my port hasnt been updated since), do they have any legal right to have me remove them from my port? the slander, harassment and threats of course ill leave to a lawyer but as professionals do i have any rights? i have emails, texts, and some models willing to admit i styled them, but no contracts were ever signed. please help. these women are two against me and are both vouching for one another on these blatant lies. my husband is about to deploy in a month and the last thing i want to do is be in distress and at a lawyer all the time. i want to just walk away with nothing as long as they stop harassing me (they can continue the slander), so long as i can just move on. but the more they threaten me and lie the more i want justice instead of being complacently victimized. thanks for whoever read this far... i feel helpless and overwhelmed.
Fri Feb 24 05:18 2012
WE DID THIS ONCE BEFORE ... THIS TIME IT IS GOING TO BE BETTER! COME JOIN US FOR FOUR DAYS AND FOUR NIGHTS OF SHOOTING AND CRUSING FUN ... WE'RE OFF TO MEXICO! THE PRICE OF THIS EVENT INCLUDES ALL YOUR COSTS EXCEPT THE COST OF YOUR ONBOARD CABIN, TRANSPORTATION TO LONG BEACH AND DRINKS / TIPS ONBOARD ... IT IS A NEARLY ALL INCLUSIVE PRICE! We are off to sea on the Carnival Inspiration for four days and four nights of fun! [img]http://cruiseweb.com/carnival-imagelibrary/ships/ship-Inspiration-w630x300.jpg[/img] CLICK HERE to read about the cruise. We've done all kinds of adventures ... this time we're off to Mexico on a cruise ship. This isn't the first time we have done this. The first trip was a five star event. It went very well. We listed to you though and we think we can make it better. By request, we are going back on the same cruise, but this time it will be even more fun, a better shoot. We're departing from Long Beach, California on May 14th. We'll have two ports of call, Catalina Island and Ensenada, Mexico. We're going to have a great cruise, as a group, plus ... we're also going to be shooting onboard the ship and at all of our destinations. Onboard the ship, you will be able to shoot almost anywhere you want, although public nudity won't be allowed. We'll also have our own, deluxe grand suite where we'll be able to shoot nudes. We'll have a balcony, a whirlpool, a king-sized bed and a lot more. I'll bring the lights. On most of these cruises, the promoters expect the models to pay their own way. That limits your shooting because the models are there on their own. On this cruise, not only are we covering the travel for the models, we are also paying them as well. We are the only cruise adventure that is doing that. In the end it wil be cheaper for you because the mdoels are being paid to come there to shot. On Catalina, I will be chartering a six passenger golf cart and will act as your guide to the island. I have been there over 100 times. The last attendees have asked that we stick with the city becuase there are so many unique places to shoot. It is a real experience. We won't be doing many nudes in town (although we may be able to do a few), but the locations will be great. When we are finished shooting, we'll have lunch together, as a group, at the Blue Parrot. You'll lovee it. In Ensenada, we have already discoverd a wonderul location suitable for outdoor nudes. It is a long, isolated beach surrounded by dunes and wetlands. We barely touched all the possibilities there. You'll get to do them all this time. After the shoot, we'll have dinner together in the city and then you are free to explore the ship or the town after that. SHOOTING SCHEDULE MONDAY 7:30-9:00PM In Suite Nude TUESDAY 10:00-1:00PM Catgalina Fashion/Swimwear 3:00-4:00PM In Suite Nude / Members Only 4:00-5:00PM In Suite Nude WEDNESDAY 10:00-1:30PM Ensenada Nude 4:00-5:30PM On Ship Fashion / Swimwear THURSDAY 9:30-11:30AM On Ship Fashion / Swimwear 2:00-4:00PM In Suite Nude - Indoor/Outdoor 7:30-8:30PM In Suite Nude - Night - Outdoor The Suite and the Models are available at all other times for private bookings Carnival is arranging for us to be seated together for our meals and organized shipboard activities. Onboard, there is nightly entertainment, more food than you could possibly eat and activities througout the day. When you aren't shooting you are free to partake in any activities onboard the ship. We plan this event to have a 2:1 photographer to model ratio. Initially we'll have six to eight photographers and three models. As we get more photographers, we'll add models. We can easily accomodate up to five models and ten photographers. It is even possible to handle more. The price for this event is $800 for non-members or $700 for members. The price DOES NOT include the cost of your cabin on the ship, transportaiton to Long Beach, onboard bar tab or tips. Cabins on the ship start at about $325 per person for an inside cabin, double occupancy. Outside cabins are about $360. If you are on a budget, more than two can be accomodated in a cabin, if arranged for in advance Single occupancy cabins are available, but at a higher price. There are both inside and outside cabins on the same deck as the suite. They are also at a slightly higher cost. Carnival has been running a number of specials. We will put you in touch with our representative who will help you find the best cabin deal. You will be able to pick your own roommate. The cost of this event is non-refundable if you cancel unless we are able find someone to take your place. HERE ARE THE FIRST THREE MODELS [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/101226/14/4d17c528946fa.jpg[/img] [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120130/19/4f275f808327e.jpg[/img] [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/070717/17/469d3c8f14bcc.jpg[/img] MORE WILL BE ADDED AS PHOTOGRAPHERS SIGN UP. CLICK HERE to check out the model's profiles ALL MODELS WILL POSE NUDE, A NUDE PROMOTIONAL RELEASE IS INCLUDED! A FULL COMMERCIAL RELEASE FOR THE ENTIRE CRUISE IS JUST $50 PER MODEL You are welcome to make any travel arrangements to Long Beach you want. Air travel and transfers are available through Carnival Cruises. You may also make your own airline reservations or travel on AMTRAK. For those who want to drive from San Francisco, we will be carpooling from the studio on Sunday night, right after the Sunday photo event. We'll drive to Button Willow and stay at the Super 8 Motel. We'll drive the rest of the way on Sunday morning. If you elect to carpool with us on Sunday, you will get a $25 discount for the Sunday photo shoot at the studio. Parking is available at the Carnival Cruise terminal. All models are available for private booking, but private bookings are not required. The models are being compensated for the shoot so you should not feel obligated to book them.. No passport is required, but you do have to bring a birth certificate with an original seal. There will be one special shoot for members of the Photo Studio Club! Have you joined yet? [img]http://photostudioclub.com/images/logo1.jpg[/img] www.photostudioclub.com Cabin Reservations will be made directly with Carnival through our representative. We will provide you with his telephone number upon registration. You may pick your own cabin mate or we will help you select one. You can reserve a cabin onboard at anytime. It is first come, first served. You will make payment arrangements for the cabin directly with Carnival. WE WILL PROVIDE A LIST OF ALL REGISTERED PHOTOGRAPHERS SO YOU CAN SELECT A ROOMMATE
Thu Feb 23 13:49 2012
I don't pay in General Industry
I don't really understand the "I don't pay models" mindset. Every working artist I know, whether they are painters, sculptors, or photographers, regularly pays models. Maybe that's because they are all successful enough to be able to afford it. But, anyway on MM it seems to be regarded as a merit badge to not pay models. So for all the newcomers, here it is: The Top Ten Ways to “Never Pay Models” 1. Go to shoot outs. Pay the promoter instead of the model. 2. Give the model “gas money”. Like a modeling fee but not a modeling fee. 3. Rent a hotel room for the model. Claim you need it to shoot in. Maybe she’ll let you spend the night. 4. Let the model stay at your place. She saves hundreds of dollars and lets you shoot her. Pretend she’s trading for the images. 5. Take the model out for dinner. A nice dinner with a bottle of wine. It will cost more than the modeling fee. But it feels like a date. Wowie! 6. Buy the model a plane ticket. Maybe only double or triple what the modeling fee would have been. 7. Don’t shoot anyone. Ever. 8. Drugs. Lots of drugs. Good ones aren’t cheap. 9. Sex. Yes, this works. It’s actually a centuries old practice. But don’t get confused, not every model is your girlfriend. 10. If all else fails, just lie. That’s a very popular approach too. These techniques all work. They have been used for years by some of MM’s “best” photographers. You can use them too.
Wed Feb 22 11:53 2012 in reply to liindsay ann
How does one become titles as a "model?" in Model Colloquy
She sounds a little uppity, or possibly insecure about her own work. I've said it about 40 million times, but I'll say it again: Old ladies in denture cream ads are models. The people playing volleyball on the beach in herpes med commercials are models. Portly, middle-aged men who pose nude for art classes are models. "Booth babes" who stand around at car shows, handing out flyers, are models. The fuzzy white cat who sits on a pillow, on a bag of catfood, is a model. The little kid who is cuddling the white cat on the pillow, is also a model. People performing at a club fetish show are also acting as models. Women who dance around rappers in music videos are models. Random, average-looking guy assembling furniture in an instructional DVD is a model. Anyone can be a model. The only difference is that some people are "professional models," and regularly make money from their modeling, while others are "hobbyist models," and rarely or never earn income that way. They are all models, regardless, and one type is not any more legitimate than the other.
Mon Feb 20 15:33 2012 in reply to Mad Hatter Imagery
Trade / paid / team . . . in Model Colloquy
Mike, I find myself in a similar situation. I live in a small town and most models I work with must drive 100 miles or more to do a shoot with me, most of which live in areas with may other photographers. It makes attracting models difficult. While I won't claim my portfolio is of professional quality or outstanding in any way, I've reached the point where working with most average looking wannabes with no experience simply will not improve my portfolio or provide me with images that are much use in other ways. I once booked a higher paid model and MUA. The model ended up canceling at the last minute, leaving me with a financial commitment to a MUA, I had no need for. Even if it had worked out, I'm not sure it would have been worth while. I figure I'm not going to use 3-4 shots max from a single model in my portfolio, so to make any notable improvement in my portfolio, is probably going to mean shooting at minimum of 3 notably better models. Let's say each shoot costs $500 for a MUA and model. (remember, they need to travel). What will that $1,500 expenditure really do? Models and MUAs improve the quality of the look of the subject matter. They do nothing to improve my photographic ability, equipment limitations, studio set limitations or editing abilities. That expenditure will do nothing to improve the qualify of the images of future shoots. It certainly hasn't shortened the distance models or clients must drive. All it will do it make my portfolio a little better. Also note, those 3 shoots or 9 images would cost more than all 4 of my AB lights which I'll use for hundreds of shoots. I face a similar question with a middle ground: Feeling like I was getting what I needed from trade anymore, I spent some time and effort at identifying a few models who were fairly new, and had done little if any paid work, but offered what I felt was a good look doing their own make up and offered them $30/hour plus images. The money in addition to images made traveling to me worthwhile over local trade shoots. It definitely meant less communication and better follow through compared to finding trade shoots, and for the first time in a while, I felt I had images that improved my portfolio, but not dramatically so. It resulted in more sellable microstock images as well. However, I don't feel the increased sales will even cover the increase cost of the model, so it's a loss in that respect, and as my portfolio has slowly gotten better over the years, I haven't been getting more shoots. I still am not a pro photographer and still live out in the boonies. It's something I'm still trying to figure out, but for the most part, I don't think investing a lot higher paid models and MUAs is something I'll ever get a pay back on. Attending a good workshop which could potentially improve the quality of all future shoots and provide a few good, different photos would probably be a better use of my funds. Rather than spend a notable chunk of change to have handful of better images, I'm more content to shoot models when I can do so affordably, and shoot something else when I can't. Another issue I've run into after having some better model photos, is that new, average looking models with no experience sometimes feel disappointed that the images I give them are not as good as the best images in my portfolio. It's awkward trying to explain that's because they are not nearly as good.... While our situations may be similar, no two situations or goals are identical. What makes sense to me, may not make sense for you, but I do hope a similar perspective helps you figure out what is right for you.
Sun Feb 19 08:14 2012 in reply to MLRPhoto
Reputable Modeling Agencies in Massachusetts in General Industry
Important information regarding Modeling Agencies in Massachussets: http://www.mass.gov/lwd/labor-standards … setts.html DLS List of licensed employment agencies: http://www.mass.gov/lwd/docs/dos/ea/ea-licensed.pdf DLS recommends that you call their office at (617) 626-6970 to verify an employment agency's status prior todoing business with them. --------------------------------------------------------- The following is a list of modeling agencies that are licensed with the DLS as employment agencies as of December 2011: 7313 Asian Boston Casting & Media P O Box 52137 Boston MA 617.275.4249 Leo Ballou 6059 Click Models of Boston, Inc. 222 Newbury St., Third Floor Boston MA 617.266.1100 Stefano D'Angola 6034 Copley Seven Models & Talent P. O. Box 170525 Boston MA 617.267.4444 Jo Somers 6054 Dynasty International Models & Talent Agency, Inc. 207 Newbury St., 3rd Floor Boston MA 617.536.7900 Joe & Ginger Freeman 7144 Heart & Soul Enterprises (Worldwide Modeling & Talent) 37 Cedar St, 2nd Floor Boston MA 617.516.4341 Jannie Pettway 6030 Maggie, Inc. 35 Newbury St., Suite 5 Boston MA 617.536.2639 Robert Casey ("Casey") 6070 Model Club, Inc. 329 Columbus Avenue, #2 Boston MA 617.247.9020 Ed Sliney/ Tim Ayers 7269 Spotlight Agency P.O. Box 6324 Boston MA 617.296.1580 8147 The Inej Agency LLC 254 Green Street, Suite 1 Brockton MA 508.454.1281 8031 Keen Agency, Inc. (The) 276 East Grove Street Clarks Summit PA 877.781.3180 Deborah Keen 6076 New York Model Management Scouting & Placement Co. P. O. Box 1461 Dudley MA 508.949.7700 Donna M. Sobieski Jenifer Teran Kay Walker Herbin 6067 Boston Agency (The) 9 Maple Avenue Haverhill MA 978.374.1528 6050 Cinderella Modeling Agency 50 Queen City Avenue Manchester NH 603.627.4125 Suzette Paradis 7100 New England Models Group, Inc. 55 South Commercial St., Unit #10 Manchester NH 603.624.0555 Kathleen Longsderff Dagny DiBona 5047 Model and Talent Management P.O. Box 600646 Newtonville MA 617.969.3555 7408 Port City Models P.O. Box 6820 Portland ME 207.415.4015 6025 Cameo Agency, Inc. (The) 683 Main Street Waltham MA 781.647.8300 7400 Signature Marketing, Inc. 28361 Diehl Road, Unit B #106 Warrenville IL 888.860.1999 8203 Berkshire Beauties LLC 2 Beach Hill Road West Stockbridge MA 413-2.32-.0232 Ogden Gigli 7037 Exxcel Model & Talent, Inc. 5500 Main Street, Ste. 104 Williamsville NY 617.275.7542 Susan Lunetta 6082 Karon Shea Model Management 65 Water Street Worcester MA 508.755.0662 Karon Shea
Sat Feb 18 08:11 2012 in reply to Skylar Lockheart
Finding Models in Photography Talk
Multiple answers: --find a really cool location or a great concept and then approach models about it. Believe it or not, most models really are suckers about creating art and fantastic photos or concepts that are fresh. Tell someone you'd like to do a shoot in a waterfall or with a vintage automobile with her as Bonnie (paired up with Clyde) or with a breeder of exotic animals (so she can pose with a trained cheetah) and you'll get some models who will be interested. --look at what models indicate they want to shoot. A model says she's in love with 1920's vintage...find an old Victorian or B&B you can get access to. A model wants to shoot with two hunky weight lifters holding her above their heads...go visit your local gym and start asking strong guys. There needs to be a "WIIFM" element here if you don't have a great rep as a photographer with a stellar portfolio. And approaching a model saying "that project you're so excited about? I want to shoot it with you!" is one way to get the WIIFM. --hire a professional model. There are plenty of traveling models who are total pros...they've been doing this for years, they probably form poses in their sleep, they work with all kinds of shooters. And it seems like Pennsylvania is a hotbed for a lot of very talented, capable, professional models. For instance, I've done a lot of shoots with Sera Ferron (who's near Harrisburg). Her schedule is tricky these days but she's a real gem...versatile, talented, athletic, a master with makeup, great with clothing and costume, beautiful, lots of artistic talent, has worked with a ton of great photographers, totally diva-free and outstanding at creating poses (either from her own insight or your direction). Just be willing to pay her and work with her schedule and you'll be a very happy photographer. So go find a model with a good rep, contact her pre-shoot and tell her lots of details...that you want to jazz up your portfolio and want a couple of different looks (so not just all glamour nudes of her in the same setting or contemporary fashion of her in the same outfit). There are a lot of traveling pros who, if they were told, "I"m going to pay you to pose for me and create a diverse shoot of your dreams" would jump for joy....they're so often taking direction from shooters ("we're going to shoot Z") that to let them create the shoot with multiple themes and poses is something most would have a blast doing. --I travel a lot. One obstacle I find is that when models find I'm not local, their "is this guy a traveling ax-murder?" radar goes off. So tags and references help a lot. And having local ones helps even more. So your first couple of models, it makes sense to tag each other and make sure you provide enough care and feeding of the relationship so she can serve as a reference. As others have been saying: when you have a portfolio that looks good with a range of themes, you'll get a lot more interest from models. And when you get some tags from models you've worked with, you're no longer an unknown. Ed
Fri Feb 17 06:38 2012 in reply to Pixelbliss Studios
How does one become a paid model? in General Industry
There are a million ways you can make some non-specific amount of money that may or may not involve a picture or a few of yourself, ergo you "modelled" but, being that this is specifically a modelling/photography/Stylist site, and not a catch-all talent site, I tend to assume people are actually talking about modelling in the sense of being a model, not someone who is primarily something else but gets their picture taken once or twice and says they modelled FOR that. Acting is what got flo her job. She may appear in other things because she's NOW a celebrity, just like random celebrities grace the covers of fashion mags from time to time. That doesn't mean they're models, modelling is not what got them there, their OTHER talents are. They are something else, and they get their picture taken once in a while because of it. Models are models because they do modelling, modelling is what gets them their jobs. Standards may mean nothing to you personally, but in the world of getting paid as a freelance model on the internet standards absolutely apply to MOST, so they're very relevant and dangerous to just blow off with a "well I don't care bout no stinkin standards" attitude. Usually the people paying you (models) DO care, and if you don't fit them, you aint getting paid. In the way of standards in the modelling business, if she wants to make money she's going to have to MAKE herself fit those standards. How to go about doing that has been outlined already. If thats not something she wants to do, but still wants to make money, I hope she's a damn good singer or actress
Tue Feb 14 13:24 2012 in reply to Click Hamilton
Did I handle this correctly? in Model Colloquy
I'm going to start off by saying I've got Asperger's syndrome (if you don't know what that is, it vaguely means I have a lot of trouble communicating) so if you have any suggestions on what I should have done differently or anything like that, please explain. So someone contacted me for a vintage fashion shoot (which is weird, I don't get fashion work), I responded saying I was interested and asked for more information ("Do you have work on another website that I could look through? What is your availability? I noticed your profile says you're in *somewhere over the rainbow*. Do you know about when you will be in Denver?"). He said that he was busy but had open time slots for tonight, tomorrow, and the night after and asked me to leave a comment on his casting call because his "production manager she looks through those for available models that she want's me to shoot." I wasn't sure what that meant but I left a comment anyway. Then I said that I might be free tonight or tomorrow night, depending on if he could provide transportation and if I could make it work within my schedule (I had no shoots planned for those times, but I was planning on cleaning my house then so that could be worked around). I also said, "Would you mind giving me your list of references? I don't see any credits in your portfolio. How often do you work with MM models?" While I was waiting for him to respond I messaged the girl that left a TAG on his profile (it said something about how she enjoyed their shoot) and she messaged back saying she had a great time and they still talk a lot, but she needs to update her portfolio (I don't know why she said that, I never mentioned it being out of date. I went and looked at her profile again just barely and it has the new photos which I also thought was weird). Then he responded saying, "I work with MM models very often in fact shot on Sunday night... You can see in my tags on my profile from a model named *Britney Spears* It will be the most recent tag on my profile, You can see she really enjoyed working with me... If you would like I can provide her phone number you may call her." He also mentioned that he shoots a lot of nude, but doesn't put that in his profile since he does a lot of corporate work and doesn't want them to think of him as someone who shoots porn because they don't understand art. So I asked if he'd mind giving me several MM numbers, because I felt weird about just going off of *Britney Spears* since she had very few photos that hadn't been updated for a while. I don't know if I should have done it this way, but I said, "Would you mind giving me the MM numbers of a few other models you've worked with through Model Mayhem? I try to make a point of contacting several models every time I work with someone so I can better know what to expect. I find it helps me go into the shoot knowing more about the photographer and how he or she tends to work with models from the models' point of view." He gave me the MM# of *Britney Spears* again. We went back and forth a few times with me trying to find a better way of explaining exactly what I wanted and why, but he said, "i have a personal responsibility to protect those who i work with clients and models included. I give you that same promise. I have sent a message to a few other models requesting their permission. I will send you their info he they approve. If this is a deal killer i understand. Trust is very important to my work." I've never heard of someone not wanting anyone to hand out their MM#, but I figured it was because he's used to working with corporations and doesn't understand that models actually want more people to see their portfolios. So just in case, I did another Google search of his name and I kept finding other people, but I did find one place where he had left a TAG on a model's profile that said basically the same thing as his first correspondence with me, so I sent her a message asking her if she's worked with him and if she had how it was etc., and if not why not, but she hasn't answered. Then he called me and said that he was very busy and could only use one model for this project (I don't know why he said that, it seemed random to me). He asked if I knew I would for sure make it to our shoot, but I wasn't sure yet because I hadn't received any references and I didn't want to shoot in his hotel with less than a day's notice without references so I said something about how it was very late notice so I couldn't confirm yet, but I was working on fixing my schedule so I could fit it in. He said something I forgot and then "You're not good enough, goodbye," and hung up. Sorry I wrote a novel. I just don't know if I frustrated him or caused him to be upset by saying I couldn't confirm. I also don't know whether he was a real photographer that didn't understand references or if maybe he was trying to scam me or something and was trying to make me stop asking for them. But there's always the chance that I made a mistake in being pushy and possibly burned a bridge. Do you think I responded correctly? Is there some other way I should handle a similar situation in the future? What would you do if someone with a generic name and no credits that possibly doesn't understand how references work wanted to shoot with you? Edit: *Britney Spears* isn't actually the model's name. I didn't want to out anyone, so I put the first thing that came to mind. *Somewhere over the rainbow* is also not where the photographer lived. Again with the outing thing. Sorry for the confusion.
Mon Feb 13 22:38 2012
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Mon Feb 13 16:44 2012
So few Models in General Industry
I think they must be talking about a specific kind of modeling, too. My regular job is as a figure model. True, when people ask me what I do, I say I'm a FIGURE model (I don't just say I'm a model, because the connotations are different). But yeah--I model for a damn living (and man, I WISH I made 42,000 a year!). Figure modeling is modeling, it's just a specific kind of modeling. Also, both actors and models do television commercials--how do they separate who defines themselves as what? And are they counting glamour models? Models in the adult industry? Considering they seem to think a model is only a real model if you've seen a billboard with them on it, probably not. American Apparel often uses their own shop girls in their advertising. I guess girls who work at American Apparel are more "real" models than, well, real models.
Sun Feb 12 12:23 2012 in reply to Pixyst
Follow us on all of our networks Our Official Website Our Facebook Page Our Twitter Page Our Meetup Page Video footage of our recent event: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLnWHfdWNg Naughty Vixens Day ~ 20+ Naughty Vixen Models going all out for you in there sexy naughty outfits. If you are a saint, this event might be to much for you to handle Theme: Naughty Vixens Day (Swimwear & Nude Models) When: Saturday March 10th, 2011 from 10:00am to 6pm Where: Private Residence in Woodland Hills, CA # of Models: 20+ (Swimwear & Nude Models) Food: Food & drinks will be provided Meet & Greet: 11am to 11:30am Group Shoot: 11:30am to 2:30pm Mini Break: 2:30pm to 2:50pm Private 1:1's: 2:50pm to 6pm Photographer Cost: $100. ($50.00 Deposit or Full Payment to reserve your spot) Book your own 1:1's with the model directly ~ (Pre-booking is strongly encouraged) Model Release agreements will be provided No Boyfriend/Assistants (unless they pay the entry fee) Refund Policy: No refunds. 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Surprise announcements will be announced in the next days to come. Thread Link to our recent event: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=817306 Video footage of our recent event: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLnWHfdWNg Models or Photographers with any questions, please email me @ Arthur@groupshootevents.com [img]http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4964/60094159392.jpg[/img] [img]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/422009_320310308014604_100001069120655_830704_50966286_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7623/00000000000000000000000yt.jpg[/img] [img]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/417621_320310421347926_100001069120655_830706_1635096944_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/426926_320310938014541_100001069120655_830709_2000590960_n.jpg[/img] Model Lineup Click on models image to contact them for 1on1 rates Jennz Mayz [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120111/17/4f0e3946c15c3.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Nicole Ponder [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110716/00/4e214130067da.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Lacy [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110806/22/4e3e28d0a6650.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Valerie Hope [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111202/21/4ed9b32aba91a.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Marie Cruz [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120205/01/4f2e4810a74b9.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Carol Seleme [img]http://photos4.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/8/4/d/c/600_93574012.jpeg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Implied Nude Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Ashley Marie [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/081229/21/4959b7de01dd6.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Brianna Nicole [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110515/12/4dd0292a85616.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Alexis Nichole [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110917/16/4e7533ea9f33f.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Swimwear Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Mandee Varela [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120207/07/4f313cddc9ee2.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Swimwear Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Miss Les ~ Pre-book her before all her slots are filled. [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120214/20/4f3b35ecf0781.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) (1)2:50 pm - 3:20 pm (2)3:30 pm - 4:00 pm (3)4:10 pm - 4:40 pm (4)4:50 pm - 5:20 pm (5)5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Olivia Morgan Price [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110912/00/4e6db958ddc71.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Implied Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Diana Ochoa [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110208/01/4d5109019847d.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Naomi Herold [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110909/10/4e6a501789747.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Katie [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111022/19/4ea3758627eb0.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Tabitha Easley [img]http://photos1.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/8/4/9/6/600_93393942.jpeg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Shaunae Stovall [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111011/09/4e946835e8c83.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Lyna Ly [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110926/00/4e80283b6905f.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Ela Passion [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110720/23/4e27c39025183.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Implied Nudes Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Chanel D [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110615/00/4df860df10d1b.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm Lilu H [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100830/21/4c7c865c2044f.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm 2) 3:30 pm - 4:00 pm 3) 4:10 pm - 4:40 pm 4) 4:50 pm - 5:20 pm 5) 5:30 pm - 6:00 pm MORE MODELS WILL BE ADDED SHORTLY
Sun Feb 12 04:23 2012
Valentines Theme event which will take place in a 5,000+ sqft private residence in Tarzana, Ca. Come create unique images with gorgeous glamour models. Theme:Valentines Day Theme (Swimwear & Nude Models) When: Saturday February 11th, 2011 from 10:00am to 6pm Where: 5,000+ sqft Private Residence in Tarzana, CA (address will be provided to attendees) # of Models: 20+ (Swimwear & Nude Models) Food: Food & drinks will be provided Meet & Greet: 10am to 11am Group Shoot: 11am to 2:30 pm Private 1:1's: 2:45pm to 6pm Photographer Cost: $100 ($50 deposit, pay balance upon arrival) Book your own 1:1's with the model directly Model Release agreements will be provided No Boyfriend/Assistants (unless they pay the $100 entry fee) Refund Policy: No refunds. If you can't attend, we will credit your payment to the next event. Click Register Button Image To Register must be done by February 10th, 2012 [img]http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4443/registernowbuttond.jpg[/img] Model Info: Free admission Must participate in group shoot in order to sell 1:1's Must pose swimwear or lingerie in group shoot You may sell model releases for no more than $10, $20 for nudes Set your rates for 1:1 private shoots & release agreements with photographer Model Release agreements will be provided No escorts (unless they pay the photographer fee) Models or Photographers with any questions, please email me @ Groupshootevents@gmail.com 1on1 booking time slots: 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm [b]Location Pics: [img]http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/316256_237784476267188_100001069120655_609371_312544146_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/304405_237784982933804_100001069120655_609373_2132106640_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315348_237785576267078_100001069120655_609375_1457820188_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300191_237785842933718_100001069120655_609376_1644297626_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/304771_237789026266733_100001069120655_609388_1334885037_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/306769_237789266266709_100001069120655_609389_1658548868_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/303795_237805812931721_100001069120655_609422_141375316_n.jpg[/img] Model Lineup Click on models image to contact them for 1on1 rates Tabitha Easley [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111008/23/4e913d34c7298.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Carol Seleme [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110924/13/4e7e3734adc39.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Implied Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Daisy Ann [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111128/16/4ed4255cb96c1.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Swimwear Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Jamie Michelle [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120131/23/4f28edde2c41f.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Angel Bates [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120202/10/4f2ad5557f4bf.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Arley Elizabeth [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/101230/10/4d1cd51c997d9.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Implied Topless Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Ela Passion [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110720/23/4e27c39025183.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Implied Nudes Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Olivia Morgan Price [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110912/00/4e6db958ddc71.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Implied Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Lorena Lopez [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110726/19/4e2f7a448aeb9.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Gezzilyn Leon [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120128/21/4f24dfc514298.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Siray Kong [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111210/02/4ee32dcec95e9.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Claudia Khalil [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110602/14/4de7fd4a641dc.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Scarlet Starr [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110822/20/4e532259745e9.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Nordique Fier [img]http://i40.tinypic.com/i2m6ug.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Amelia Simone [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120101/22/4f01537ebc6b9.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Annie Violet [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110812/02/4e44ee60f3c41.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Kristin Barcelona [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111230/08/4efde644c58e1.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Vanessa Sheri [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111017/13/4e9c961027f52.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Nude Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Tracie Douglas [img]http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9531/imagephpn.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Genesis - Fresh face to the modeling scene [img]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7783/29657421900326816028810.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Kathy Elizabeth [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111111/09/4ebd57e02a2c5.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Roxie Lian [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110622/00/4e019932dfe5f.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Cedestoni Salazar [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100510/13/4be8660e5b2ca.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Nikita Penalosa [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110810/12/4e42e05260a93.jpg[/img] 1:1 Session Times (Lingerie Limit) 1) 2:45-3:15 pm 2) 3:30-4:00 pm 3) 4:15-4:45 pm 4) 5:00-5:30 pm 5) 5:30-6:00 pm Additional models will be added shortly
Tue Jan 31 22:58 2012
Sports Bikes & Sexy girls in Events
On the 2/26/12 i will be hosting the Sports Bikes & Sexy girls photo shoot event. Location: PM Prestige Motoring,inc. 8545 Arjons Dr Suit P. San Diego, CA 92126 Description Happy to announce my new event: Sport Bikes & Sexy girls Hello to all Photographers, Models, MUA & Hair Stylist!!! This up coming event is all about motorcycle and beautiful models. Its another great opportunity for photographers & models to build an amazing portfolio in just one day. If you already come to one of my events- you know its fun and you know you will have a great day!! You will be able to work 1 on 1 - and im sure the pics will be HOT!!! All you need to do is to come with great attitude and a big smile!!! The event will take place in a very cool Motorcycle Show room at: PM Prestige Motoring,inc. Located at - 8545 Arjons Dr Suit P. San Diego, CA 92126 ( off Miramar Rd) I will have about 10-12 Sport bike such as : Yamaha R-6 , R-1 Suzuki 600 & 750 Honda Kawasaki ZX 62 Harley Davidson Photo shoot info: This event will be divided to 2 sessions First session: 10:30 am - 2:30 pm Models : I will have 2 MUA & 2 Hair stylist Please show up on time. I have a limit of 10 models!! Outfits: Bikini, Lingerie, jeans, leather Jackets- to make it simple: what ever you like!!! Photographers: We will start at 11:30 until 2:30 please arrived by 11 am. I have a limit of 15 photographers **** Photographers please note: i will have 2 pro nude model in every session. if interested to shoot with the nude models- please let me know and i will forward you pics of models. its $75 per hour per photographer. its a closed section with full privacy. Second session: 3pm- 6pm Models: Please come at 2pm for Make up & Hair I will have 2 MUA & 2 Hair stylist I have a limit of 10 models!! Outfits: Bikini, Lingerie, jeans, leather Jackets- to make it simple: what ever you like!!! Photographers: We will start at 3pm until 6pm please arrived by 11 am. I have a limit of 15 photographers **** Photographers please note: i will have 2 pro nude model in every session. if interested to shoot with the nude models- please let me know and i will forward you pics of models. its $75 per hour per photographer. its a closed section with full privacy. Cover Fee: Models: Free but tips for the MUA & Hair Stylist will be much appreciated photographers: $40 Like every event: I will have cold drinks, Fruits, snacks & chocolates. Now- if you read until here - great just go and RSVP Thanks Simo Pinto
Tue Jan 31 17:58 2012
Posing nude/Topless/Implied in General Industry
Well, many of the models I worked with already had no issues with topless/nudity. They had made that choice for them selves long before they decided to "model." Others looked at modeling as a way to explore aspects of themselves and society. For others, it didn't make a hill of beans of difference They just did it. No "baggage." On the other hand, models who are "shy", I remember something one of the old time photographers said. "It's not modesty, but vanity that keeps a woman in her clothes." That's as far as I go with it. As for "resistance" .... that's a whole other story. I don't push people to do things. In fact, I make them beg I do my best to talk new models out of posing nude, doing "fetish" or anything like that. I have a few pretty good speaches for new models, which if they still want to model after them, well.... they've been warned Nude modeling of any sort is a *BIG* decision, one that will stay with you your whole life -- and beyond. The images *WILL* be seen by people, and will pop up at the WORST times. The more you do, the more chances there are. What you do at 18 and 19 will pop up when you are 30 and have kids in school. Face recognition software is absolutely scary! We let picassa go through our collection of phots spanning the past 40 years,and the picks it made of people during those 40 years was mind blowing! It even found familial relations between people we don't think look anything alike at all! Feature for feature there is nothing similar. So, imagine what it will be like in a few more years! Don't let anyone talk you into doing something. Don't think just because "everyone" else is doing it, you should. Look around you. If you don't see it in your daily life, at home, at work, on the street, etc than everyone is *NOT* doing it, and it's only on-line in a small closed off group like MM you see it. So, "shy" models, is one thing. _RESISTANT_ models are completely another. Remember, there really is no "issue" for a photographer shooting naked women in the most disgusting, revealing, or compromising poses. They are "heroes" with their buddies, and "the man" among their friends. On the other hand, the girl who did the photos is not as quite well revered. She has to live with them as a constant reminder of what she did -- and how OTHER PEOPLE will look at them over the years. That's the reality. It's far, far different than the "cool" factor of doing nudes. The way I look at it, is if I have to ask more than once (eg: I do nudes. If you want to work with me, I do nudes.) than I really need to find a different model. I'm looking for trouble, and potentially causing trouble for the model. That said, I *have* worked with hundreds of nude models over the years, and many have modeled only for me, and no one else. Many have worked on an idea, or a project they felt was interesting, or they wanted some photos to mark a phase of their life, and that was it. Nothing more. On the flip side, I've lost count of even an estimate of the number of people I've talked out of doing nudes, and I sleep better because of it. There have been people I never got to photograph who I wanted to more than anything.... but it didn't happen, or it wasn't right. Again. I sleep well at night. Scott
Fri Jan 27 02:45 2012 in reply to KarliBee
Shooting Sexy Swimwear Models In Borneo :-) in Photography Talk
Pre Production Casting for the right model. A few days ago i held my casting for the Borneo shoot in London. There were models coming from every top London agency. Over 2.5 hours I looked at 52 different models in swimwear or their undies and their books, I also took very simple front, side back full length and close up shots of each girl so I could send them to my client to get their opinions of who they liked, its a good way of remember each model as they are with out fancy make up or styling, if a model looks good this way you can be sure she will for the shoot, also you get an idea of how they move and hold them selves for the camera (not comments please), and a little about their personality, but unfortunately I did not see one that I thought was right, so I began scouring the models agencies around the world, we are going to have to fly our models in any way so it would make little difference to the budget if we flew a model in from NY LA Paris London or where ever... There are several things to take into account when selecting a model for swimwear. Body shape has to be perfectly toned and a good shape, no fake excessively big boobs, a perfect uk size 8 to 10, with 34b/c cup boobs c22 to 24in waist and 34 to 36in hips, height around 5ft 8in to 5ft 10in tall. Good even clear skin tone that will not burn in the sun in 10 mins so olivey colored skin is perfect. Healthy shinny hair. The models figure size is dictated by the manufacturers swimwear samples sizes. My model look brief for the shoot was healthy fun loving healthy living beach girl that spends a lot of her life on the beach, sort of surfer girl that's quietly sexy and confident in herself and loving life to the full. As it happened I had made contact with a perfect model for the shoot through an art director that I know in New York, he recommended I look at XXXXXX XXXXXX. PERFECT choice I thought. At first I thought my client would not pay the fees she wanted but after a little persuading about how perfect she would be for their brand and presenting a few videos and images of her, my client said yes, we will use her. She is now booked for this shoot. My client decided that we will shoot a second collection whilst there so I also need to select a second model. I had chosen a really lovely girl to propose to the client that I have shot before but my client though her a little too sexy for the first collection but thought her to be perfect for the second collection. She is also now booked for the second shoot. So my 2 day swimwear shoot is now a 4 day shoot and I am very pleased to get an extended trip and two jobs to charge for. I will write about the process that occurred before the casting another day, also about all of the logistics, flights, checking out the what which where and how re shooting in Borneo. Its not as straight forward as you may thing. Sorry to be so secretive regarding the models it sort of client confidence thing until their images are published its not such a good idea to splash the models a client wants to use around the world. i hope you understand.. You will find out eventually. :-) Keep coming back for more and please post your questions. My best regards Bruce Smith MORE TO COME..
Mon Jan 23 17:13 2012
Is it wrong to charge a deposit in Photography Talk
Is it wrong to charge a deposit? Wrong? Probably not. Constructive? Also probably not. Some thoughts in random order: >>> You went 0 out of 7. The common denominator is you. Couldn't that indicate that there is something you are doing / offering that makes it easy for models to flake on you? <----- Two no-shows in 18 years. >>> I missed the part where you check these models out (e.g. checked references). Perhaps you need to be more selective. >>> Many models, especially the reliable ones, will find the deposit scheme unfair & inequitable. The most common complaint by photographers is similar to this thread: "Why are models flaking on me?" The most common complaint by models is this: "How long do I have to wait for the photographs from the TF* session?" So, if a deposit scheme is your solution, I would think that a "fair" deposit scheme would go like this... ... Photographer & model agree to work together. ... Model gives photographer a $25 deposit. ... This deposit is refunded to the model as soon as she shows up. ... Photographer & model work together. ... Photographer gives model a $100 deposit. (*) See note. ... Photographer delivers the promised images in the promised format. ... Model refunds the $100 deposit. (*) The photographer's deposit is larger than the model's because... ... Usually the photographer has a greater financial stability than the model, ... At this point, the session is done & the work has been completed. If the model flakes, no work has taken place. My guess is that many photographers would be happy to receive a deposit from a model, but few would be happy to give a deposit to a model. Yet, to me, this scheme is the only one that seems fair.
Fri Jan 20 11:32 2012 in reply to T Time Photography
I am pleased to announce our FIRST South Florida Beach Shoot. I have held SIX Arizona Desert Shoots in the past and this will be organized and run in a similar manner. I have done a "dry run" for this last year with a Florida based model while on vacation so that it would go in a smoothe and well run fashion. It is a visual feast for the eyes! Arrival day will be Friday, May 4. We will be headquartered in a hotel on Ft. Lauderdale Beach. Arrive on Friday in the afternoon in time for our fun Meet and Greet Reception @ 6pm RIGHT on the beach. Or arrive earlier and enjoy the Florida sun at the beach or pool. TWO DAYS of beach shooting is planned. We will visit TWO beaches each day (Saturday AND Sunday) in the nearby Miami Beach area. World famous legal nude Haulover Beach, South Beach and two additional ones in the nearby area; Oleta State Park and Virginia Key. We will even stop by and shoot at Jimbo's. on of the most interesting locations in the area. If you want some really outside of the box shots,this place is awesome. Old abandoned cars, trucks, trailers, neon colored buildings, grafitt; sort of industrial "grunge" by he bay. Google it. It is very interesting and many years ago it alsow as a legal nude beach. Now is is just "unofficiallly" nude....and some awesome views of the bay. Models will be posing up to FULL NUDE where appropriate; otherwise swim suit, topless, and implied.It is said that topless is now legal on ALL beaches in Dade County (Miami). Haulover Beach is a LEGALLY NUDE beach! Saturday night will be available for some private 1:1 boudoir shooting with our models in at the hotel suite. The models will be available up to FULL NUDE! All the models are familiar with the locations. It will be FUN and a memorable time for all that attend. Spectacular models, Spectacular scenery and a LOT of fun......You DO NOT WANT TO MISS THIS- I assure you! This event will be limited to only TEN photographers. Sign up NOW to assure your spot on this AWESOME EVENT. There are only a few spots left..Models will be assigned as needed with a minimum of 2:1 ratio- photographer/ models i.e. Four Photogs--Two Models, Six Photogs-Three models, Eight photogs-Four models: SCHEDULED MODELS: [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110419/12/4dadddfa29a8b.jpg[/img] Cristal Catalina: http://www.modelmayhem.com/165994 [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110513/03/4dcd0d40d122e.jpg[/img] Mika: http://www.modelmayhem.com/838234 [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120116/13/4f14978786923.jpg[/img] Crissy lin: http://www.modelmayhem.com/640572 [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120327/09/4f71efdc1d53d.jpg[/img] Jen Capone: http://www.modelmayhem.com/1941988 [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100305/10/4b915177ee00c.jpg[/img] Audrey Baker: http://www.modelmayhem.com/1581921 Separate 1:1 Indoor Boudoir Lingerie/ Nude at Hotel Suite on Saturday Evening All models available up to FULL NUDE. One hour 1:1 session-$100 One half hour-$60 PHOTOGRAPHER FEE- $349 PayPal: email@example.com * Includes Friday Evening Meet & Greet, TWO DAYS Beach Shooting with Models, UP TO EIGHT FULL HOURS of Shooting on several different beach locations RT Transportation both days to/ from beach locations and hotel, snacks, refreshments at hotel location. **NOT included are RT transportation to Ft. Lauderdale, hotel acoomodations, additional meals, transportation from airport/ hotel / airport ***Most models are also available for additional shooting in the area on Monday/ Tuesday. Details to be discussed individually with the models. Any questions/ help-Please write or call: Rick Pickert 414.988.9747
Mon Jan 16 22:02 2012
Have you ever wanted to shoot HOT and beautiful models like the ones you see in Maxim, FHM, or other men magazines? Do you have a DSLR but don't know how to take awesome pictures like the magazines? Have you seen those wonderful cheerleaders as you watch you favorite sports? Join us in this amazing Sport Theme Shoot!! We have a limit of 18 photographers so sign up now or be left out! For those who haven't been to our events, we are the #1 theme group shoot event in Orange County. Photographers from Los Angeles, OC, Inland Empire attending our events. We are novice friendly! As many of the past photographer can tell you, Sammy and myself will be available to all beginners as to how to take properly exposed photo. Keep in mind, this isn't a workshop on photography so we won't be going through all the details. Instead, we will assist the beginners using the studio or speedlite light to capture the photo correctly. Preparations: - Photographer should have prior knowledge on how to adjust their camera in manual mode. You'll need to know how to adjust aperture, shutter speed and ISO. - If you have lighting equipment, we suggest you bring them. - If you are planning on bring backdrop, please contact me because space is limited. During the group shoot session, you will have an opportunity to shoot all the beautiful models to see which one you wish to work with more. Many of the models are pre-booked before the event. You can contact them directly either email or on ModelMayhem.com (their MM number are posted with their photo). We encourage you to book them ahead of time because the more popular the model, the faster they'll book all their slots. Book models for 1 on 1 shoots at 1/2 hour increments Checkout the models awesome sexy photos on Model Mayhem site just look up their MM#. Message the models and see if you can hire the model you want after the group event for 1 on 1 sessions. You will have private session with the model of you choice especially if you have a concept in mind, or models may have a specialty which you may be interested in shooting i.e. pinup art. Sign them up before it's all gone... Private Session starting: 2:00pm-2:30 pm 2:40pm-3:10 pm 3:20pm-3:50pm 4:00pm-4:30pm 4:40pm-5:10pm 5:20pm-5:50pm Details: Date: Saturday January 28th Time: 10am to 5:50pm. The main event is from 10am to 1:30pm. Lunch is served at 1:30pm. From 2-5:50pm you can reserve the model of your choice for 1 on 1 sessions at 1/2 hour increments. Model: 8 - 10 professional models NO friend, boyfriend, husband, wife, kids, assistant! But if you absolutely need to bring someone, they will have to pay, no exception! Information are subject to change. Keep checking back for updates with models Confirmed and attending MODELS: Photos coming soon! Tiffy Mac Mayhem #2247765 Emma Mayhem # 2426627 Yentiza Mayhem #892785 Tara Mayhem# 68424 Sandy MM#1328206 Sarah MM# 2273662 Annika MM#1257953
Mon Jan 16 15:49 2012
Why Does Height Matter? in Model Colloquy
No we are not the exception to the rule. On the contrary; all the day in day out stuff showroom stuff and small shows; is done by fitting models with maybe a spattering of agency models. Unless it is London fashion week you just don't see the agency or top fashion models. I have not had an exceptional career just pretty normal journeyman stuff. With boutiques; young and new designers; college fashion shows etc - and all the good ones do little shows - the normal thing is models like us; no way could they afford agency models but they want a liitle experience. Provincially the boutique shows can pay really well because they basically want a couple of good models to help girls with little experience but can't afford agency models. This is most of the paid journeyman fashion work; not the high fly glamour stuff people see a couple of weeks a year in the magazines. There are four divisions below the premier league in soccer and dozens of regional leagues below that but it employs most professional footballers; even if they don't get a fraction of the money the premiership players are on. It is the same in fashion. Every now and again one of those players may get the chance with a premiership side. I think the problem here is that people think 'fashion show' and they think the big designers; Milan shows etc. That is a very small % of paid work in fashion shows; and then you will get exclusively tall girls but even then you will get the odd Kate Moss. So does she look silly next to the 6ft models? I have never come across a tall fitting model actually. As I stated my flatmates partner much shorter than me also did a lot of fitting modelling. It is the stats they want; and for the clothes to look good; enormous patience and input and the ability to model. So when they have done something you have to do your stuff then they make the alterations. In lingerie that is very important. If the stuff is designed on you it is going to look better on your than anyone so that is why they use fitting models in showroom (private shows for a few clients) and in runway shows. I agree that taller girls get all the agency work. But not fitting; and fiitting is what an awful lot of us do; but you have to be in a metropolis famous for fashion. London is. So the idea of a 5ft 11" template isn't right. I have done other fitting not just lingerie too. A 5ft 11" model may float a dress down the runway better but that doesn't mean it was made on someone her height; and to the eye of someone who does this work I think one can sometimes tell. Especially when they haven't much of a bust. And yes size 3 (UK 8/10) is a US size 4. That is the truth Shon. Below the tip of the iceberg of fashion height is still a factor but not so much. And Model Mayhem is generally going to be pretty much below the tip of the iceberg; but plenty of the journeyman paid work. Don't get me wrong; height is still a factor but stats and shape (and each designer has different requirements) can be more important. And yes of course; if you are shorter as a fitting model be prepared to stand in 6" heels day in day out. I think part of the problem here is that many of the fashion photographers only see the top of the fashion iceberg and judge everything by that.
Mon Jan 16 02:46 2012 in reply to Shon D.- Femme
Guys! These are the dates of our planned South Florida Beach Shoot . Arrival day will be Friday, May 4. We will be headquartered in a hotel in Ft. Lauderdale. Airfares are very attractive to Ft. Lauderdale and with a medium sized airport, much easier to ger in/out of. Direct flights from most major cities should be plentiful and competitively priced. Arrival on Friday mid afternoon in time for our Meet and Greet Reception @ 6pm. The hotel is RIGHT on the beach or if you prefer there are others in the immediate area.You can reach the hotel by taxi or shuttle bus from the airport. TWO DAYS of beach shooting is planned. Two beaches each day (Saturday AND Sunday) in the nearrby Miami Beach area. World famous legal nude Haulover Beach, South Beach( South Point) and two additional ones in the nearby area, Oleta State Park and Virginia Key.Models will be posing up to PENTHOUSE NUDE where appropriate; otherwise swim suit, topless,and implied. Saturday night will be available for some private 1:1s with our models in at the hotel suite. The models will be available up to Penthouse/ Met Art styles....Ooh la la!. I have personally done a "recon" of the beaches and area last June on a top secret mission with an Florida based model ... All the models are familiar with the loactions. It will be FUN and a memorable time for all that attend. Spectacular models, Spectacular scenery and a LOT of fun......You DO NOT WANT TO MISS THIS- I assure you! This event will be limited to only EIGHT photographers.Sign up NOW to assure your spot on this AWESOME EVENT. There are only a few spots left. A $100 DEPOSIT will hold your spot. You can pay the balance up to 30 days prior to the shoot..Models will be assigned as needed with a minimum of 2:1 ratio- photographer/ models i.e. Four Photogs--Two Models, Six Photogs-Three models, Eight photogs-Four models: SCHEDULED MODELS: [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110923/21/4e7d605d2a2c9.jpg[/img] Mia Corday: http://www.modelmayhem.com/620538 [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111118/14/4ec6dd570133a.jpg[/img] APS Captive: http://www.modelmayhem.com/2185549 [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120116/13/4f14978786923.jpg[/img]Crissy lin: http://www.modelmayhem.com/640572[img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/080705/20/48700d9f5a67a.jpg[/img] Galas: http://www.modelmayhem.com/755392 [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111229/13/4efcdbfc70a78.jpg[/img] Jen Capone: http://www.modelmayhem.com/1941988 Separate 1:1 Indoor Boudoir Lingerie/ Nude at Hotel Suite on Saturday Evening All models available up to Penthouse Style. One hour 1:1 session-$100 One half hour-$60 PHOTOGRAPHER FEE- $349 RSVP Secured with $100 deposit PayPal: firstname.lastname@example.org * Includes Friday Evening Meet & Greet, TWO DAYS Beach Shooting with Models, RT Transportation both days to/ from beach locations, snacks, refreshments at hotel location. **NOT included are RT transportation to Ft. Lauderdale, hotel acoomodations, additional meals, transportation from airport/ hotel / airport ***Most models are also available for additional shooting in the area on Monday/ Tuesday. Details to be discussed individually with the models. Any questions/ help/ recommendations or anything-Please write or call: Rick Pickert 414.988.9747
Sun Jan 15 23:53 2012
Model Release Please? in Photography Talk
I think two separate, but similar, issues are being confused. One is permission for the photographer to edit an image of the model, and the other is permission for licensees to edit the photographer's final work. The language in a typical model release does not give the model permission to alter the image. A model release usually contains language that allows the photographer to modify or distort the model's image. This makes it clear that the photographer can remove a mole, smooth skin, even change eye color. Without said language the model might make a case that she only gave permission to use a true and un-edited version of her image. Generally, the photographer owns the copyright to the image. Copyright law generally forbids people form modifying a copyrighted work without the copyright holder's permission. It is not uncommon for a usage license to reinforce this idea by including language that prohibits the licensee from modifying the work. To summarize: In many (but not all) jurisdictions, the model has the ability to place certain restrictions on the use of her likeness, and the copyright holder can place certain restrictions on the reproducing or commercial use of an image. For "commercial" use of an image, one generally needs permission from both the photographer and the model. General industry practice is for the photographer to obtain the model's assignable permission at the time of the shoot (this is what the "mode release" is for). The photographer than assigns that permission to the client when he gives them the usage license. If the photographer wants to commercially use an image, he only needs the model's permission (model release) as he is already the copyright holder. If the model want's to use the image commercially, or reproduce the image, she only needs the photographer's permission (usage license) as she already has the rights to her likeness. The model release is pertains to using the model's likeness. The Usage license pertains to use of a copyrighted image. The above is of course a gross simplification as to how it works in much of the world. In some areas a model release is usually not required. In some areas the photographer is not the natural copyright holder, and the specific details of a particular situation may outweigh the generalities. By "commercial use" I mean usage that would typically require a model release (the legal definition of "commercial use" is not the same as the common sense definition.) Always consult a competent local attorney for reliable legal advice. Never trust legal advice you get from the web.
Tue Jan 10 07:50 2012 in reply to BrianThedellPhotography
Ever had a paid model... in General Industry
It should all be discussed prior to the shoot and the model should understand exactly what is expected of them and acknowledge that fact. You should send them a confirmation email before the shoot stating what the terms are of your shoot for them to sign and send back to you. If they don't then cancel the shoot because they obviously don't have a clue what this industry is about. This is applicable both to amateur and professional alike. Your model release should be worded well enough so it is easy for them to understand what it pertains to and cover all usages such as portfolio, print, web, design, time, area and make sure they sign and date it before you start shooting. Personally, I don't understand why photographers who have paid models to sit for them then give them access to the images. They have no right to the images. They've been paid. Essentially you are paying the model to shoot their book for them. How dumb is that? Why don't you just get a gun and shoot yourself because it'll be quicker. All that happens is that models start putting themselves on a pedestal and demeaning the value of the work. The point they miss is that this is a symbiotic relationship. Models who try to throw their self importance around are a ball ache and should be avoided. They are not your little princess. They are not going to go out with you because you are nice to them. Think about how much you invest in time, effort, equipment and cost and then compare it to what the model is bringing to the table. The majority of girls on here are not models is the sense of agency girls. They are amateurs who don't have the experience nor the look that will really extend your own look very far yet some of them are trying to charge lawyeresque fees because they had a mate take some snaps of them in their undies. Unfortunately today's society supports the idea that being center of attention and getting naked is enough to have your cake and eat it. Added to this is a large number of amateur 'photographers' who are so ridiculously sycophantic in their submission to average models that it's hardly any wonder why egos are so massively out of proportion. What ever level of photographer you are have respect for your subject but have equal respect for yourself and your work. I wouldn't expect experienced models to shoot for nothing with entry level photographers but it's highly unlikely they would anyway but on the other hand new models shouldn't expect to walk straight into a world they don't understand with their hands out. The phrase 'this is how I make my living' is applicable to both photographers and models so cancels it out, in my opinion, despite my overheads and effort being exponentially more. Models who tell me of their student woes get my own woes back regarding my tax bill. At the end of the day it's the individual's choice but as long as egos get fed, photographers pay for substandard models and nobody educates the poorly educated misunderstandings will occur.
Sun Jan 8 04:23 2012 in reply to John Jebbia
Saturday, Jan 28 - Riverside - 10 Nude/Topless Models #1 - Only $80 "THE BEST DEAL IN PHOTODAYS" Type of shoot: Nude/Topless, 18+ only Date: Saturday, Jan 28 Time: Group shoot event from 12pm to 3pm. Private one-on-one shoots from 3:15pm to 6:25pm Location: Beautiful Luxury Home in the Riverside area Food and non-alcoholic drinks will be served Escorts, husbands, boy/girlfriends, managers, body-guards and Aunt Tilly are all welcomed provided they pay the $80 fee! Photographers Instructions: Cost to attend is $80... or check out our REFERRAL REWARD PROGRAM: Bring a photographer that's never registered at any of our events and get 50% off of your admittance! or... Bring a model we've never seen (non-MM ok) and if she poses at the shoot, get 50% off. Model's photos must be submitted prior to the shoot. Please send to: email@example.com Non refundable deposit of $40 via Paypal will reserve your spot. Please include your MM# and MM name to: firstname.lastname@example.org (deposit will be refunded only in case of cancellation of the event)... pay the remaining $40 at the door. Please message me to make other payment arrangements. Models will be selling releases for the group shoot for no more than $20 each. For private one-on-one shoots between 3:15pm and 6:25pm, you may book your favorite model(s) participating in this event in 30 minute increments. Time Slots 3:15 - 3:45 pm 3:55 - 4:25 pm 4:35 - 5:05 pm 5:15 - 5:45 pm 5:55 - 6:25 pm Contact/pm models directly with your request and for their rates including model release. You may bring your own lighting equipment. Pocket Wizards and/or speedlights recommended. I'll have 2 pocket wizards for rent, please contact me to reserve one. Save your spot now. Our last 6 events sold out and so will this one. We have some great models on tap for this shoot! Links to previous events: Oct 29, 2011 http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=785403 Sept 17, 2011 http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=779625 July 23, 2011 http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=762347 June 11, 2011 http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=755712 April 30,2011 http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=742782 Model's Instructions: ***Free admission. No charge for models!*** In order to participate in this shoot you must agree to pose at least topless during the group shoot... art, glamour themes. Please do your own hair and makeup. You may sell model releases for no more than $20. For one-on-one private shoots you set your rates, including model release, with photographer. To participate in private one-on-one shoots you must pose for the group shoot. You will be provided a safe, friendly, fun work environment. If you want to be a part of this group event please let me know asap because I expect the model slots to fill quickly, since I'm only looking for 10 models. If you (model/photographer) have any questions or concerns please feel free to message me. Let's have a fun shoot and create some great images.
Sat Jan 7 19:07 2012
Where are my fellow plus-size models!? in Model Colloquy
It is because magazines and designers are using plus models in many heights and sizes. Examples can be Plus Model Magazine (they did a spread on models who are paid and wear an 18+, here is a blog link http://plus-model-mag.com/category/plus … us-models/), Monif C., Dereon, and Just As You Are. Sure there are many more. Sometimes too Alternative Models as I guess you would call them, are all shapes and sizes. They model for designers such as Domino Dollhouse or Pin Up Girl Clothing. People see them in Pin Up or Nudes as well. I mean it is confusing. Consumers of plus size fashion believe why are their models modeling their clothes if they don't even shop in the stores? Clear example of this photo. Of course there is not denying she is gorgeous, but read the comments. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … mp;theater But, I am sure that is the way with just fashion too. Even so this article depicts what someone was really trying to find out about this plus size industry. It all depends on the designer of the fashions. http://plus-model-mag.com/2011/07/when- … %E2%80%9D/ “I wish I knew who exactly was determining the size of plus-size models. Whenever I ask a brand, they tell me the agencies don’t have high-caliber bigger models. When I speak to agencies, they tell me that the clients are calling for smaller models, so I’m not exactly sure what is going on. All I know is that I can’t get a clear answer from anyone.” or maybe this quote from Tim Gunn... "Have you seen most of the plus-size sections out there? It’s horrifying. Whoever’s designing for plus-size doesn’t get it. The entire garment needs to be reconceived. You can’t just take a size 8 and make it larger. In my travels, I’ve been an advocate for larger women. I’ve been talking to designers, but only a half-dozen make an effort. Most say, ‘I don’t want a woman who’s a size 10 or 11 wearing my clothes.’ Well, shame on you! It’s not realistic. We need to address real women with real needs." Seriously, just like MM, no clear answer. So who is really to say? This argument will go on and on. Anyway, good luck Amanda on your modeling ventures.
Thu Jan 5 09:54 2012 in reply to Lifestyle_Images
Breaking a Model Down to Get the Shot in Photography Talk
Hi Guys! One dispute that seems to come up for me, over the years that I’ve been a fashion photographer, is the treatment of the models. Or better still, what to do with a model who isn’t giving you what you need. So here’s the dilemma: you cast a girl who you think fits the look you’re going for on a particular shoot. You organize the team, putting together the best hair stylist, make up artist and stylist for the job. You rent or find the location. You go over and over the details with your team before you even get to the set. You leave no stone unturned: all the details are complete. You’re finally ready to shoot and the girl just won’t emote. You’re playing her iPod, everyone is happy to be there and in a creative mood, food has been offered and eaten. And the girl just won’t give it up! What do you do? You can watch the video from the post on my blog: http://www.fashionphotographyblog.com/2 … -the-shot/ I have a dear friend in the industry who has been doing this as long as I have and he and I have completely opposite viewpoints on this. I won’t say he’s famous for being a “screamer” but he’s one of these photographers that will definitely get angry with the model if she isn’t emoting or giving him what he needs to get the shot. He’s been known to make the models cry or have them walk off set to call their agents. His take is that he’s put all this work in to the shoot to create exactly what he wants and if the model isn’t emoting, the shoot is a waste. I agree with that….it is a waste if the girl just stands there or if the girl is giving you those Model 101 poses. It is totally frustrating and debilitating. My viewpoint on the subject is this: If she ain’t got it, she ain’t gonna’ get it. At least not in the 6 hour time frame I need her to be “on”. And maybe because I’m a woman and I’m against berating other women, I just can’t find it in me to be a jerk and start yelling at the model. I feel like the reason why she really can’t emote is because she’s shy or insecure in the first place and screaming at her isn’t going to do anything positive for her already low self esteem. To make the shoot more interesting, I’ll end up moving around the girl myself and shooting at angles that add interest and don’t necessarily need her to emote that strongly. Or, if I have to, I will take her aside and make sure she feels comfortable because maybe someone along the way in production (like the make up artist or the hair stylist) did or said something that upset her so I’ll clear that up so hopefully we can move past it. But when all possible reasons why the girl isn’t emoting have been checked off and she still won’t move, I basically walk away with a shoot that wasn’t all I was expecting. And sometimes I’ll admit, the shoot is a wash. At least in my opinion. More often than not, if it’s a job, I don’t have the final say on the model choice. And while I can tell the client what’s happening, that the girl isn’t moving or emoting, at the end of the day, the client doesn’t really want to hear it they just want results. I try to keep the set lively and happy and positive and pull out what I can from the girl. I’m fairly good at it at this point. But I don’t scream and yell and reduce the model to tears. But I know other photographers that do. While I thought I was taking the higher ground by not being a “screamer”, you can see by the short video from our Fashion Photography Exposed DVD when I interview modeling agent James Charles from Photogenics that he doesn’t necessarily agree with me. He thinks that the girls need to be trained and taught that when they are on set with a photographer they need to give that photographer what they’re looking for. So by all means, you gotta’ do what you need to do, to get the shot. I know that not all of you are working with professional models yet and that the new faces or girls from sites like Model Mayhem can be extra challenging because they too are starting out and may not “know” what emoting even is or how to do it. So here are some “tricks” you can try to get the new girls to open up and start emoting for you: Music One is to ask them if they want to hear a particular kind of music. Ask them if they brought their own iPod or iPhone with their iTunes on it so they can hear the kind of music they like listening to. Music is a great motivator to get people “moving” and happy. It’s a mood elevator. And I use it often to get everyone to loosen up and start enjoying themselves. After all, this job is really supposed to be fun, right? Work with People who are Easy Going Another thing I try to do, and I’m not always in a position to do it, but I try to hire make up, hair and stylists that are relatively easy going and fun to work with. A Diva hair stylist can intimidate a new model like you wouldn’t believe. That won’t help your cause, so try to work with non-Diva-esque people. Humour Another trick is humour. Everybody loves to laugh. So try to get the model to laugh. That will help loosen her up. And lastly, SHOW her what you want. Get up there on the cyc or on the seamless and show her where to put her legs or what expression you’d like her to give. If you feel awkward showing her yourself, gather your mood board or have some pictures on hand so you can show her, “This is what I’m looking for, smile (or frown or wink or snarl) like this girl”. Having a reference point will often set them on the right path. I thought it would be interesting to get your feedback. What do you guys think? Are there any “screamers’ out there that get good results from that? Or do you take the more passive role like myself? What are your thoughts. Let’s keep this age old debate going!! I want to hear from you guys now, how you handle a model who isn’t emoting or moving and let us know some tricks you’ve used in the past that might help other readers get through this dilemma.
Wed Jan 4 14:38 2012
The death of TFP? in General Industry
I say, "more power to her". She may want $40 an hour, but that doesn't mean she'll get it. You don't get to set the model's rates, instead the local marketplace gets to set her rates. If she gets that $40 an hour from others, then her rate is justified. If no one pays her that $40 an hour, then she'll drop her rates, possibly down to "TFP". So, if you don't want to pay her, don't. Modeling (and photography) is a competitive business -- stick to the models you can afford. If you can't find a decent enough model to pose for you on a TFP basis, you'll have to consider paying them. Either way, all is right in the world. Also, I believe that we all could stand to learn more about negotiations. Here's your first lesson: The party that names a price first is at a huge disadvantage. She's not going to name her best price first thing -- perhaps she's just leaving herself some wiggle room. Make a counteroffer. What's the worst that could happen? Well, first off, everyone wants to get paid, and if no one asks, no one will get paid. Again, you can only set your own limits -- there's nothing wrong with anyone asking to get paid. I agree -- if you are a relatively inexperienced photographer, sometimes you best option is to work with more experienced models, and yes, that often means paying them. There is no shame in that. Regarding not knowing whether a model is worth it -- well, find out before hand whether she is. What I mean is that you should check references. Get to know your local photographic community. Ask them for references. Share information with them. Share other resources & locations. Do some group projects. Have a potluck get together. After they get to know you & you get to know them, it should be easy to check references. Everything is negotiable. I enjoy paying models, especially traveling models. I can afford it because the donations I accept from my web site covers my photographic expenses, including the modeling fees. So, I pay models, and if they want to use any of the images I post on my web site, that's fine to me. You may have a different opinion, but you can strike your own deals. Where do they get the pictures? Maybe they do TFP with the better photographers and they charge the less experienced models? That's kinda like an unsolicited critique. It's none of your business what you think about the images in a model's portfolio. Your job is to decide whether you want to work with them or not. If you do want to work with them, negotiate an agreement. If you can't reach an agreement, move on. But I repeat, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a model asking to get paid, and there is nothing wrong with you making a TFP counteroffer. Just be polite & respectful, and if the negotiations fail, part ways without pathos. With all due respect -- that's not any of your business. Look -- if you want to become a better, more experienced photographer, you are going to have to take risks, both business & aesthetic risks. If you can't afford to pay models, again, there's no shame in that -- find other ways to compensate models. But publicly complaining about models asking to get paid -- that's not a good start.
Sat Dec 31 13:41 2011 in reply to astrographic
The death of TFP? in General Industry
Hi This has probably been discussed before, and ive mentioned on other forums. Years ago it was fairly common for new/amateur models to offer tfp in order to get experience and build up their portfolios. This was great for both photographer and model as both benefitted from the experience. Now though it seems that every model, whether on their first or second shoot or only having been modelling a few months, wants to charge £40 an hour or so to do a shoot. Im all for the good models making a living out of modelling and in their cases its totally valid to charge what the market allows. The problem is that a lot of the models wanting to charge from the beginning is that photographers have no way of building up their experience unless they pay up front, and have no idea if the model is any good or capable of carrying off the shoot. Its such a risk to have to pay over £100 every time you want to arrange a shoot with a model, add in studio fees and expenses and its a very expensive gamble. How are these models getting portfolio pictures? If they are charging then i assume the photographers are not giving them the pictures? or are they? If they are then its a double problem in that the model gets paid twice almost. This isnt to say i wont pay for models, in fact i have a few booked that im happy to pay for, but they have good portfolios and references or have an image that im looking specifically for. I am however disappointed in the amount of models whose portfolios i have looked and thought "you know all they need is a few good pictures instead of those badly shot camera style things they have uploaded", contacted them to offer a shoot, only to get a reponse back along the lines of "i dont do tfp, my rates are listed on the site". Are they getting any work? I guess that maybe the idea is that by charging they appear more professional, or scare away the "guy with camera" brigade, but in honesty the guy with camera types are the ones who probably dont mind paying for models with poor portfolios as they might think this means they get a lot more "freedom" with the model, seeing as they are paying. Maybe im just being grumpy........ but theres no way i can afford to take risks on models who have 4 badly shot pictures on their portfolio (despite thinking that with decent shots they might look really good). Whats the general opinion?
Sat Dec 31 11:57 2011
True head shot in General Industry
star, you keep going on about actors and the link i provided was for models. quit referring to actors in this argument and quit trying to "act" as knowing what is required for "models" in markets/genres you obviously know nothing about. you should give some realization that models do in fact need headshots and they are not just exclusive for actors. to think otherwise shows more about your lack of knowledge than mine. where a headshot for a model is most needed (commercial lifestyle) you will notice the most effective are those following the requirements i stated. you also seem to be hung up on the "smile" requirement. here is where that becomes important, it's a pleasing introduction. most often when a new model is accepted they don't have a portfolio and there's nothing to present/leave behind to the client. the first step is usually, "get him/her a headshot so we can have the client add it to their agency book until we can start building a book/comp." the reason for that works two-fold. one, it keeps the agency line of communication open to clients. the introduction of a new model provides a reason to stay front and center with the client rather than being out of sight - out of mind. it's how agencies hustle for business. two, it begins the process for the new model to start building comfort/confidence at the client level and they don't walk into the introduction go-see empty handed. for the more established model working commercial lifestyle more often than not you'll see how the rules i stated have been applied to the headshot on their comp. what you fail to realize is modeling is local, agencies serve local clients. most of those local clients are conservative in nature and their messaging follows that form. with that, sure there may be instances where a more brooding fashion shot might be most applicable when directed to local boutiques, etc., but the vast majority of local work is commercial lifestyle. that's the bread and butter of agency billings, that's what the agencies in mid-major markets are hustling. that is the essence in the model headshot. are they required for other genres? not really, hence why in terms of a "model' headshot where they become most important they should be done correctly per how they will be presented for gaining assignments. that's no different than any other genre presentation, as in getting the imaging done right. is there a difference in an actor headshot and model headshot? absolutely. and considering that difference was the basis for certain requirements for models who might choose to work in a genre where a headshot can be used for competing via freelance vs the agencies. this is also an across the board discussion applicable to more than just major markets (where models are more established and client standards are more wide and varied). what is applicable in the major market backyard does not mean it is applicable in mid-majors. with that said however, one would be hard-pressed to find an established commercial model in any market not presenting what i stated.
Wed Dec 28 07:59 2011 in reply to Star
Model mayhem as seen on youtube. :P in Photography Talk
Yeah, it does seem a bit awkward given he did say it was for a model portfolio. However, it is not uncommon (like almost every time) for me to get a model to sign a release even for a (model) paid test. The release serves two purposes, I might shoot something I would like to use in my own portfolio. As a professional who uses his portfolio for marketing purposes, I don't like to use unreleased photos. I go over this with the model in advance (explaining why I would like a release), and that I don't (and never have) use paid test photos for commercial purposes (other than personal promotion). I also want the model to give me permission to retouch the images, the release covers that. The second reason for the release is that it serves as my license to the model so that he/she can use the photos! (A photographer's license for use was something not covered in the video). The standard language usually says that the model as consideration for signing the release is allowed to use any of the photos for their own promotion, but may not sell the pictures for commercial use. Obviously I want the model to use the heck out of the pictures to promote his/her career, but I don't want to see them in an advertisement (I charge a lot more for advertising and catalog than I do for a model test). Any release should have a consideration clause which states what of value the model is receiving for signing the release. Use of the photos for their own promotion is considered valuable consideration. So there you go, while it might seem odd to have a release signed by a model who is paying for a test, I have not had a model say they objected to me using images for my own portfolio (a model could object, I suppose). And the consideration arrangement in the release does give the model the license he/she needs to use my images in their own portfolio/composite/website, etc. John -- John Fisher 900 West Avenue, Suite 633 Miami Beach, Florida 33139 305 534-9322 http://www.johnfisher.com
Mon Dec 26 13:12 2011 in reply to S W I N S K E Y
Needing some paid photoshoots in Newbie Forum
Although there are always exceptions to the rule, I personally don't know of any models who have joined MM with no experience, a limited/beginner portfolio, and non-agency-standard measurements who then immediately booked paid work. I apologize if that sounds harsh. . . I'm not trying to be, we all started with no experience and beginner portfolios, I'm just trying to be realistic. Even if you get a few paid jobs as a beginner, they will likely be from hobby photographers and they will be occasional. When I was just starting out, I did get a few paid gigs in my area, but as others have mentioned, they will come from having something unique to offer. The paid work I got at the beginning was generally for bodyscape/figure study work. I am taller and thinner than most models in my area, so I got lucky in that I happen to have a figure that is rare to find, at least in my tiny city. Even with having a figure that was in demand, there's no way I could have paid my bills off of the money I made. Making ends meet by modeling is difficult for girls who have years worth of experience and networking, let alone someone without that. The tricky thing about modeling is that it's not something you can really practice, learn, or otherwise get experience in until you're out there on set. You can't go to college and major in modeling or get a modeling internship. For the most part, the models you'll see here are self-taught. What that means is that it will take you (and everyone else) a while to really finesse your skills. You wouldn't decide to become a writer overnight and then expect to write a New York Times best-selling novel within the next month. You wouldn't decide to become a rock start and then quit your day job and show up looking for a record deal with no musical training. It's the same for modeling, except tougher because there's no official training for models. For most of the models here, our "training" was trade shoot after trade shoot after trade shoot, until the pictures started to look better and better and better. If you're serious about modeling, I'd recommend hiring a great photographer, makeup artist, and wardrobe stylist in your area. This is probably not what you want to hear, because it involves spending money rather than making it. However, what you need before you can make money is a killer portfolio. The quality of your pictures is what gets you hired. If you invest a little time and money into getting a good start, it will pay off for you in the end because people will look at your work, be impressed by it, and then ask for you to work for them. You want only the very best to represent yourself. . . get some killer shots in genre which you'd like to work, then delete anything unprofessional or less flattering from your portfolio. I'm not saying that modeling requires you to spend money. I have never paid a photographer to help me build my portfolio (although now that I've been modeling long enough to get a decent portfolio started, I'm considering it to really bring me to the next level and fill in the gaps where my port is lacking). That said, I have a full time Mon-Fri job and am not relying upon modeling as my main income. Sorry to write you a whole novel, I hope some of it was food for thought! Good luck.
Tue Dec 20 14:16 2011 in reply to Ashley Duncan
Shooting with TFP models vs. Paid models in Photography Talk
- Page views in general should not be a concern. It doesn't matter if Models get more page views, unless the Model attracts an audience that I want to reach, the vast number of people who see their portfolio is irrelevant to me. The value is relative to my business needs which is my case is specific and very targeted. If the wrong eyeballs are seeing my work, it could be bad for business, especially if I'm targeting and servicing different market segments. - It's not promotion unless the Model PROMOTES the image. Simply giving away the image does not insure this and if there is no assurance that there will be a benefit for giving the Model the image why do it? But I can control where I promote it and insure that the audience that I'm targeting sees my work. I don't need a large number of the wrong people seeing my work, I need more of the right people to actively promote me. That require strategic and measured placement, not a shotgun scattered pellets approach. Generally speaking, a hired Model is less likely want to promote you than a Model that trade or pays you because they have less incentive to promote images than a Model that's traded for them or paid for them. There is no investment in time or money for the hired Model that they need to see a return on. Also, if there are other business considerations, providing images can hurt your business. If you are shooting on spec or for stock or for publication, sharing image from a shoot that you paid a Model is not a practical consideration until those consideration have been addressed or resolved. Then there is the unintended consequences of being "promoted" by a Model that you've hired that has "Paid Assignments Only" in her profile. Occasionally, I still get hit up by Models that think I should be willing to pay them because they assume that my images in a Model's portfolio that has "Paid Assignments Only" in their profile means that I should be willing to pay them, totally ignorant that the images from the shoot likely was a trade shoot. Discretion about compensation says a lot. I will admit that "Paid Assignments Only" in a Model' s profile factors into whether or not I hire a Model because have their images in MY portfolio may encourage the wrong type of Model to contact me and I will have to spend time dealing with them. - If those Photographers feel it's in their interest to provide you images after they've paid you and feel that getting in your portfolio will give them some benefit, I'm not going to knock them. They see a value in pursuing that strategy and if it works for them it works for them. I know the value of my images. I know it's good work and that the Models that value it generally will want to trade or pay me to shoot them.
Tue Dec 20 02:51 2011 in reply to Damianne
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Fri Dec 16 14:57 2011
Model Managers? in General Industry
Really? I would think that all underage would-be models would have a "manager", probably a parent. Y'see -- if you are not a model & you are not a manager, what do you care? The OP is a photographer who is uncomfortable with a model having a manager. The model is happy (I presume); the manager is happy -- their arrangement is none of your business. It's okay to choose not to work with a model, but it's not okay to imply that no model should ever have a manager. I also get the sense that the OP wasn't talking about high-end, experienced, professional models -- I got the impression that we was talking about less experienced models (probably TF* models). Here's a snippet from the OP: Doesn't sound like it's a choice between a "manager" and an agency -- it sounds like a parent looking out for a wannabe model.The OP also made clear that one model was of age yet had her mother try to set up their shoot and act as a manager. Some shooters may be comfortable with that. I would not be and it seems the OP wasn't either. I would rather deal directly with the model. No go betweens to muck things up and in the past its been that for me managers got details wrong and ruined shoots. Last week a nude model told me how a former manager screwed up a shoot for her. I don't shoot minors but if I did would expect to deal with parents. This is in part why, I decline work with under 18 year old models. I also have found every model manager I've ever run into to be either nearly a pimp or a idiot or both.
Tue Dec 13 16:52 2011 in reply to Looknsee Photography
The "Method Acting" Approach in General Industry
I figured I would post this here to see what other people think. Its how I have been doing business/shooting for nearly a decade and it has always proven to be EXTREMELY effective in delivering GREAT shots. However not all models understand it, some take offense to it, etc. When I say method acting what I mean is that nothing I shoot is ever "faked". When I have done cutting/blood photos the model was actually into cutting and actually cut herself. However i think the best example is when I did my series of "vulnerable sexuality" photos for my first book. The photos were meant to capture a woman at their most vulnerable point of sexuality (post assault/rape) if you will. No I didn't actually rape the model. What happened was the model drank a bottle of wine before she came over. Then before the shoot took place I threw her around the basement, into walls, onto the floor, smacked her around and degraded her verbally until she was literally in tears, broken, etc. and the photos looked so good because of it. I still get comments on them. Of course again this model was fetish/submissive so it was a unique situation. With all models i try to find triggers however. Triggers to their emotions, their sexuality, kink, etc. I want to find the sure fire instant gratification approaches to put them in the mindset needed for the particular photo. One of my models has me pull her hair and whisper things to her every few shots. Another model just likes a lot of flirting and light touching. One model used to dissapear out of the room every 10 photos or so to masturbate and then would return. It all depends on the model. I actually once had a model say she needed to watch me jerk off to get in that mind set to which I quickly replied HELL NO and stopped the shoot. (I do have limits and standards) Its not just me doing these things either. I always have my wife (co-shooter) or another female model on set and often times the spare model does the triggering. I am just curious if anyone else shoots this way. What your experiences have been with it etc, What people's takes are. If any models think this is cool or interesting.
Mon Dec 12 23:10 2011
Ready to Quit MM in Newbie Forum
Sorry, but few people will care if you leave or not. If models aren't answering you, and/or if models are not showing up to your shoots, think of it this way: the universe is telling you that your pitch needs improvement. It's a lesson all of us have to learn. I suggest that you look at it from the model's point of view: why would a model want to work with you? Are the models happy or excited by your proposed project and/or your proposed compensation? Are you scaring off the models, making them feel uncomfortable? Everyone around here has "flake" (i.e. no-show) stories. It's fairly simple -- there are reliable and unreliable models everywhere you look (both here on MM and in the outside world) -- choose to work with the reliable ones. How can you tell if a model is reliable? The easiest thing to do is to check references... ... Ask the photographers & models who are local to you -- they might know you and might be willing to open up about the model, ... Ask the photographers & models who are local to your candidate model, in particular, ask the prominent folk local to the candidate, ... Ask the people credited in her portfolio. After a while, you might be able to get a sense of the model's reliability based on the variety & qualities in her portfolio. Also, if you want to be a better photographer, you might wish to consider working with more experienced & talented models, and yes, that sometimes means paying them. If, on the other hand, you wish to work with less experienced & less talented models who are willing to consider working for you for no money, then you are more likely to come across the unreliable models. Finally, just putting up a profile or hanging out a shingle is not enough to be successful in business. Remember, photography is a very competitive business -- you've got to have better appeal than your competition. That's true here on MM and it will be true wherever you land. If you want to be successful, you have to go out proactively & get it; it won't come knocking on your door. Finally, a little tough love: giving up pretty much guarantees failure. Whatever you decide, good luck.
Mon Dec 12 11:47 2011 in reply to 1st Stop Photo
Affiliate links not allowed in Site Related Forum
Wed Nov 30 18:38 2011 in reply to John Jebbia
Where do they come from... in General Industry
After weeks, months, truthfully years of overwhelming frustration I have to simply ask where do some of these models come from. I have been on model mayhem since forever and truthfully I have had some great luck finding models on this site, however I have also dealt with people who's ignorance, attitude, ego, and more simply astonish me! Models who don't shoot nude - The mainstream modeling industry in which models can make a living doing runway work, catalog work, etc. is about as easy to break into as winning the lottery. Furthermore if you are from ANYWHERE other than New York, LA, Chicago, or Paris your chances are even slimmer. Most models should be ecstatic for ANY casting and whereas I completely understand models not wanting to do PORN/ADULT work there is a HUGE difference between shooting nude and porn, hell there is even a different between erotic/fetish work and porn. Who feeds the close-minded uptight delusions of these models. Escorts - at what point did grown adults start needing to have babysitters? If you truly want to be professional about this and find ongoing work don't pollute my shooting space with some random escort who does nothing but get in the way and serve as a distraction. If you don't feel comfortable shooting with someone then don't shoot with them but don't bring along an escort that will just affect the quality of the images. Especially don't bring a boyfriend or significant other. I am sorry but no matter how professional and awesomely supportive you think your "hubby" is jealousy is something we all must contend with and I will not deal with your personal relationship drama or your boyfriends lack of self confidence. If you need a babysitter then go back to grade school and stop wasting our time, if your boyfriend won't support your goals of being a model without demanding to come along or putting limits on what you shoot dump the tool because he obviously doesn't care about you. Crazy Rates/Won't Shoot Profit Share - I do think models reserve the right to eventually stop accepting TFP/CD shoots however just because you've shot three times doesn't mean you get to command hundreds of dollars an hour, be realistic. Furthermore profit share is NOT tfp especially not when it comes to nationally published books, magazines, etc. If the guy is some amateur who may pay you IF he sells the work that's different but if the photographer is shooting for something being nationally published then take the deal! Models need to learn there is more to this industry then just being moderately attractive and showing up. Even for my nationally published book series I have to: spend hundreds of hours editing photos pay my graphic designer to do the layout for the books the electricity to power all the equipment the marketing of the book, promotions, appearances, etc. plus the ACTUAL shooting, recruiting, etc. AFTER ALL THAT I still get paid when the book sells. Models should accept being paid the same way. We as photographers pay on the back end because it means you will actually put forth the extra effort EVERY MODEL should for the work to succeed. You should have to EARN your pay the same way we do with putting in at least a quarter of the amount of work we do! So I ask again WHERE do these models come from? Please for the love of god tell me I am not the only person dealing with this level of ignorance and attitude!! Oh and on a side note. If a photographer pays you 250 dollars an hour and the photos are of crappy quality and never go anywhere but free internet sites or other low-quality or AMATEUR sites then you aren't a model. You have officially become an escort for the deluded fantasies of a GWC.
Tue Nov 22 08:44 2011
how much could i charge per hour? in Model Colloquy
You are right, I shouldn't have put the word "nude" in there. I should have simply siad that I don't know of agencies that would provide a fashion model for $50hr. I will clairify that though. There are a couple of agencies here that might send me models for that price but they won't be as good as many of the ones that I have booked here. I hire as many, or more models than anyone on this site. I book 750 every single year, perhaps more than that. I book agency models as well. Unless I go to Ford, or one of the other premier agencies, (which I do for certain projects), the models are no better, and I am not sure they are any more reliable. I booked an agency model a couple of months ago to pose for a class we were teaching. It was an important class and I needed 100% reliability. The model failed to show up, didn't call and didn't give me any warning. Her booker was sick and there was no backup for her either. So much for agency reliability. My view is that you take every net model and every agency model as an individual. I have no problem paying net models if they are good and if they are reliable. I work with a lot of net models who are every bit as good, or better than agency models. I work with agency models, who are at best, marginal.Might be different markets. NYC has some really fantastic agencies, and I've never had an issue -- I did have a model get sick once, she showed up violently ill, vomited in the trash-can and waited while we called her agency and arranged for suitable backup, she even directed me to models on their board that had a similar look. The replacement arrived 30 minutes later. Might be different markets, I can't say, I've never had any experience with agencies over there.
Thu Nov 3 07:23 2011 in reply to GPS Studio Services
Who else doesn't bother with model releases? in General Industry
You have so much to learn! Here are a few tips from an old retired pro photographer who has pretty much seen it all. "Umm I can self publish a book anytime I own registered copyright to the shot I can use it. If the laws changed tomorrow its not going to be applies to actions prior to that date of law being signed." You have the photos copyright protected, but you still copyright the book itself. That's because it is a new creation. That's under today's laws. "You can have all the releases in the world but if it comes to court case , you would need to have the model in court to corroborate . How would you track down a model you shot 20 years ago who is on another country and married ?" Signed documents stand on their own in court. There is absolutely no need for confirmation from the model. Her signing the release is her confirmation. Besides, no one other than the model would have standing to sue you regarding a published photo. An exception could be photos of a child, but then the parents signed the release, so what I said still stands.. "A release helps protect the models / publishers interests NOT the photographer." What on earth in a standard release protects a model? I suspect you are confusing releases with useage licenses. Two separate documents hich should never be combined. Other than the self written releases sometimes shown on the internet, which are likely to be worthless in a court, there is nothing in a rstandard release to protect a model in any way. In its most basic form, a signed release is simply the model's writen consent for the photographer to show and othrwise use the images. "Even so publishing on the Internet is still not clear in the US." In what way is it not clear? Look up the word publish and see if you can find any exceptions for the internet. Publishing is publishing. "Publishers have to sweat because there is no argument of commercial use for them." Publishers don't have to sweat didley squat. Have you had any books commercially published, I have. Many years ago I had a photography text book commercially published. I had to sign a statement for the publisher, as part ofthe publishing contract, to the effect that I relieved them of any and all liability concerning the phots included, "including right to privacy law suits". "I give any model who shoots with me joint copyright as we both contributed equally to the art work. Thats what a model gets and deserves as far as I am concerned." That's the sad thing. I doubt very much that you in fact give the model joint copyright. The US Copyright Office will accept joint copyright, but it has to be in writting and submitted to the Copyright Office. A verbal statement will not be accepted. Even if successful, are you aware that 15 years down the road if the photo editor of a major magazine called you and wanted to publish one of your photos,you would have to track down the model to get her written signature before allowing the sale? Way back when I was just starting out and learning the business, I once failed to get a release. A major magazine did in fact contact me wanting use to a photo. I explained to the photo editor that I needed to contact the model to get her consent. It took me about 45 minutes to do just that. When I called back, I learned from an assistant to the editor that he had gone with a different photo due to the "complications" I presented. "Yeah I know a bunch of you will get your panties in a twist about this, however take the models out of your shots what do you have?" A beautifu scenic shot, maybe close ups of flowers or any of the other subjects I photographed for 30 years, before going commercial. " I don't photoshop either so every image is true representation." Maybe you should consider using P'shop.There is a reason every professional photographer and every publication in existance uses P"shop. "Maybe a model release can be a problem to as you have tied your hands when you modify an image as they could come back and say that the shot is not how they ( model) intended it to be and YOU the photographer has breached the agreement." Have you ever actually read a professional release? A goodly percentage of the release covers just that point. Some more positive advice. If you are going to give specific advice on a forum, try to know a bit aboput what you are talking about.
Sat Oct 29 17:17 2011 in reply to joephotonyc
How do you handle 'escorts' in a home studio? in Photography Talk
If you want to shoot with a particular model and they are firm about bringing an escort, try these techniques: 1. go to the next model 2. give the model references to check--which the model should be doing anyway 3. go to the next model 4. do a location shoot with that model and bring a friend of your own 5. go to the next model 6. offer to let the escort come into the studio for 15 min, then leave and come back to get the model when the shoot is finished. 7. offer to let the escort come in for a few minutes and the model to call the escort after the first set you shoot. hopefully the model knows how to use a 'safety word' that tells the escort if she is in trouble. That technique is used in a lot of 'stranger meet' situations--example--dating online and meeting a date for the first time. 8. go to the next model. 9. I send all models a 'info sheet'-pre written and stored in my documents--I paste and copy to the model in a msg. the sheet includes several comments about the escort 'working' during the whole shoot,being 18 with a photo ID which will be copied, staying in the studio, being a gofer for everything, if they disrupt the shoot the session is cancelled, etc. 10. go to the next model. 11. and GO TO THE NEXT MODEL. hope one or more of these 'tactics' help.
Thu Oct 20 23:48 2011 in reply to Bizou Photography
This is really a very interesting thread. I have read some of the responses several times and the links are helpful. My response just by reading the OP's statement/question is that obviously the model is a newbie or needing help to build her portfolio. That is why she contacted the OP. I just do not see a very experienced model wanting to shoot with any photographer not among the top photographers here on MM tf to help build thier portfolio. The top/very experienced/elite models here can demand "paid" shoots even from the best of the best photographers. Therefore I think that in keeping with the newbie or model wanting to improve her work needing help is where this thread is meant to go. While I do not say that I am among the best I do know that first I would have done some homework had she contacted me. I would have looked at what she had in her port to give me some idea of what she can do. Before I even work with her I get an idea of her comfort level of what kind of pics she is interested in too. When she arrives I first work on getting her comfortable with me so we talk a bit. I may even shoot a few frames just to get her relaxed and into the shoot. Again saying that this is a newbie or model needing help to improve her port. I know from experience that it may take longer to shoot this model so I set aside the time. After all I agreed to shoot with her knowing that more than likely she will need direction with poses, expressions, following my directions. Shooting tf with a model like this is what I already expect. One of the things that I like to do with newbies or models that I think need help is to select a small number of looks and poses from models portfolios here. I explain that the pose, looks, expressions are a guideline and what I am looking for is for her to be able to give me something close to that but wanting to have her create her own pose/image that is hers and not try to exactly duplicate what I show her. Many times the end results from the shoot I find that the best work I get from the model is none of the poses that we started with but instead that she found herself experimenting and creating poses and looks that worked best for her, that we worked together as a team to make it happen. For me that is what it is all about, the model giving me her best look. And I like to take breaks to go over what we are getting, giving her an idea of what she looks like, maybe even discussing how we could do a look over to get it better. This is the part that I love because this is many times when I get my best work from newbie models that have little to no experience. Other photographers can say all they want about who is to blame, about the model should have the experience or that they would have ended the shoot and looked for another model but for me I look at it as I am the one who made the committment to the model to shoot her tf and I am going to do my best to give her pics that are more than what she would have been happy with. I want her to understand what is a good pic. As a photographer myself and still working on improving my own work I want the lighting and colors to be as close to perfect as possible. I want the setting to be right and I look at each image so that if something that does not belong in the picture is removed and we shoot it again. I could fix it in photoshop but why not fix it before I take the pic.
Wed Oct 19 10:08 2011 in reply to MK Images Hawaii
Umm.. that's not what we're talking about as far as I can see? We're talking about a model TFP session and she couldn't model: "Or maybe it's me not knowing how to photograph? I recently had a model ask for a TF session and I was happy to oblige. The first expression was a blank look that resembled minor digust. I snapped the photo and she tilted her head half an inch and kept the look. I asked for a smile, she smiles and raises her eyebrows high and widens her eyes like a crazy person. This went on for the entire session. Disgust peppered with crazy eyes. She kept her hands at her sides and when I asked for a particular hand placement it was always awkward with fingers crooked like she was casting a curse. If I had asked for the session I would have stopped and found another model but this was HER session. Now I have 800 photos to choose from and am struggling to find 10 worth sending. I'd really like to give quality work even to those that don't know how to model. Have any of you experienced this? How did you pull the emotions out of the model? What do you suggest I do if I am presented with this in the future?" What you're suggesting is that this is a portrait session. If it's a portrait or paid test session and the photographer is being paid, the rules are very different. If it's a TFP session and the model and photographer are bringing relevant skills to the session, the requirement is still on the model to be able to .... model. I direct, but the model models. That's the way it works. Don't get me wrong. I know how to get the most from people and I do that every week at weddings, and I've very very good at it, and I also get the most from my models too. However if the most I can get from a "model" is the level of a random stranger on the street, then the photographer doesn't have the responsibility to turn that person into a professional model. Because it's not possible. It'd be like me turning up to a TFP session and saying to the model "Umm.. how do I use this black thing in my hand.. I think they call it a camera". It's unprofessional and unreasonable.
Wed Oct 19 02:05 2011 in reply to Mosttry
There are SO MANY VARIABLES for a given model and why they have any given rate. 1) Is the model full time or part time? 2) Is the model doing this for fun, or is it a job? 3) Does the model have looks that are always in demand? 4) What market is the model trying to get into and what is the competition like within? 5) What genres/concepts is the model willing to do? Here is my situation with some models I have worked with... Model A has a full time job and models sometimes just because it's fun... so any amount above ZERO is great for this model... she lives in a market where what she does for fun really isn't in demand but she likes to do it anyway and she is willing to do most concepts and or genres... that model would be happy at $100 day rate. Model B models full time.. is in constant demand and lives in a market where she is always on call... pretty much has to turn down gigs just to stay sane... though she does enjoy modeling, it is mostly a job and has to choose her gigs wisely to earn the most money possible for bills and such. This model would likely turn down even a $300 day rate. So, yeah, rates vary, by looks and place and supply and demand.
Sun Oct 16 21:34 2011 in reply to Jacob Michael Photo
Can't agree with that at all. It's not the photographers job to model - it's the models. Next it'll be the photographers job to tell the MUA how to apply makeup and the stylist which clothes to put on the model. Yes, you need to direct and give reference and so on, but you can't direct someone who can't do the job. It doesn't work. "The model is just that, a model." - and this is treating someone as if they are a mannequin and a first class ticket to a poor model / photographer relationship, usually with dead eyes and bored looking models. These are models NOT members of the public. What you suggest is fine for a member of the public (and I have all sorts of tricks for getting what I want from them) but models, fundamentally, should be able to model. Think of it this way: if the photographer is like a director, is it the directors fault if the actor can't act? No. It isn't. Can they get the best from someone who can act? Yes. A good photographer can get the most out of a model, but they can't make someone who can't model ... model. (and yes I've done my fair share of coaching models - but only ones who I think have some talent in the first place).
Sun Oct 16 15:49 2011 in reply to -Koa-
Setting a model straight in General Industry
I consider myself a pretty flexible guy. I have my rules when it comes to TF shoots. I also have my muses. My rules for my muses are far more relaxed than they are for models I might shoot once. I recently found myself in an uncomfortable predicament with an inexperienced model with whom I had never worked -- and will never work with again, believe me. Her English was not good, so that contributed to the apparent misunderstanding over images, who chooses what, and what she gets. She basically expected me to give her everything. I thought it best afterward that I spell things out for her. I'm interested to know from experienced fotogs and models if you think this is a fair policy. Keep in mind that I respect my models and value what dedicated, serious models bring to the table and that this model is far from professional, that she was told beforehand the way I work, and that my policies are somewhat more flexible with regular models and muses whom I work with on a regular or semi-regular basis. Here's what I told her: I feel compelled to explain a few things to you about how these shoots work. You're a relatively new model. I don't know who you've been working with or what their policies have been, but I will outline for you the policies under which I have worked in this genre for five years now. They are similar to the policies most reputable photographers follow. They are not intended to rip you off or steal your image or anything like that. They are the same policies I have applied to some 300 shoots with over 150 models without incident or disagreement, ever. TF shoots are intended for the mutual benefit of photographer and model and whatever support people are involved (ie. MUA, stylist, etc.). Everyone but the model has a financial stake in the shoot. The MUA has invested time and money in training and cosmetics. The photographer has invested thousands and thousands of dollars in equipment and studio rental (in my case, $xx,000 in equipment and $xxx a month in rent). The model just shows up with whatever wardrobe she has in her closet. I don't charge you. Nor does the MUA. Besides the shoot of two to three hours, each image takes me between 30 minutes and 90 minutes or more to edit. I might use one, two, maybe three images at most from a shoot. Sometimes I use none. By law, the photographer owns the copyright to all images taken. This is the law in Canada. The model can use the images for self-promotion -- on her website, on MM, on compcards -- but not for sale or reproduction without the fotog's permission. As the artist and the copyright holder, it is the photographer's prerogative in a TF arrangement to choose the best images, edit them and distribute them. Keep in mind, that in this case I am not being paid for my time, equipment or expertise. Before the shoot, I explained to you that I promise all my models between six and 12 edited, web-ready images. This is the same undertaking I make prior to every shoot with every model. The images are the same size I use myself, and the same size I distribute to everyone involved in every shoot. As stated above, my practice in 99.9% of shoots is the same practice every reputable fotog uses for a non-paying shoot -- as the artist, I choose the images. I assume you agreed to work with me because you liked my portfolio. Surely in seeing that portfolio and the list of models I have worked with, you can recognize that I'm not going to edit or post pictures that make you look bad or compromise you in any way. We shot no nudes, no suggestive images, nothing that would embarrass or negatively depict you. In fact, it's possible I won't be posting anything from today's shoot. All that said, because you're new at this and seem unaware of how things work, and because I don't want you to walk away unhappy, you can have a look at the stuff some afternoon later this week. If there are any images you just have to have, I'd be happy to do them up for you, within reason. I do not, and never have, distributed unedited or high-res images.
Sun Oct 16 07:16 2011
If you are a traveling model, local model, or photographer, you can join our Shoot Teams - Model Workshops !! Basically, the projects can be done on a weekly basis. We form Shoot Teams, then proceed to the projects. This is how it works: Models - Message us on our MM profile to let us know you want to be posted on our website (you can also message us via our website). Then we will post your Model Name on the website. Then photographers can click on your name and fill out a short form to let us know that they want to be on a team do a photo project with you. As soon as several photographers have joined your team, we will notify you, and all of them to set up the Model Workshop (is done on a Model by Model basis). Then we will all meet at the Model Workshop location (we have a location with various backgrounds) to complete the project. The amount each model will be paid depends on how many photographers are on her team. The other consideration is what styles of modeling that a model is ok with. Photographers - simply message us here on MM or on the main website, and request to work with the Shoot Teams, then fill out the forms posted on the main website to select the model you want to work with. After a certain amount of time we will evaluate each team so see how many members each team has, and evaluate how much each photographer is going to pay. The model may have a negotiable rate or a non- negotiable rate. So that will be factored into the decision. The main website is listed below: http://www.wix.com/vvibrantbookings/vibrantstudios A note to Models - we will do our best to assist in any requests you may have as far as transportation or lodging while in the El Paso area.
Tue Oct 11 19:20 2011
WORKSHOP IS FULL! Please message me with emails to be put on the workshop email list. See you all at the next workshop! [img]http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6209/6099548846_db50957b7f_z.jpg[/img] Brittany. Studio. D3/24-70mm f/2.8 1/200th f/4.0 ISO 200. [img]http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6158/6233095749_c87d9167eb_z.jpg[/img] Erica. Location. D3/24-70mm. WORKING WITH MODELING AGENCIES WORKSHOP: STUDIO/OUTDOOR LIGHTING I just finalized the lease on my new 2,100 s.f. studio (the old space was 1,300 s.f.)! There's no better way to debut the space than with the original Working with Modeling Agencies Workshop on November 5-6, 2011! -If you're still building your portfolio and trying to get your foot in the door with agencies (particularly in the competitive LA environment), this workshop is for you. -If you're trying to improve your existing body of work, this workshop is for you. -If you're trying to build a paid-relationship with agencies, this workshop is also for you. -If you don't care about improving your port or working with modeling agencies, then this workshop is not for you. Without further adieu here are the topics we'll cover: -What agencies are looking for in a photographer and a portfolio. -How to approach agencies -Portfolio review -Creating the "agency look" in capture (natural light and strobes) -Creating the "agency look" in post -Photographer/agency/model interaction -Shooting without a studio This will be a two-day event that will feature insight from agency models and will highlight many of the lighting setups and post-processing techniques that I employ for my own work. How does this workshop differ from your first one in January? When I first started shooting with modeling agencies, I didn't have a studio. In fact, most photographers don't own a studio and can't afford to blow money on unpaid tests. Day 2 will really focus on shooting outdoors, without a studio, without strobes, without reflectors even... and still execute the "agencies" look. Highlights from Day 2 include: -Background control -Lighting angles with ambient light -Proper camera settings (and why) -Model/Photographer interaction POST-PROCESSING Shooting is only half the battle. Without good post-processing it's all moot. You can't submit images straight out-of-the-box to agencies (or to anyone these days) without processing. So we will really focus on processing on Day 1. That way, on Day 2 you'll know what you're looking for, how to generate the right lighting for the right effect, and actually practice shooting for those looks. Day 1: -Cover basic agency criteria -Portfolio review -Approach and communication -Basic studio setups (0,1 and 2 light setups) -Shoot and review (we go over the images together on computer immediately after you shoot them) Day 2: -Shooting on location -Controlling the background -Controlling location lighting without strobes/reflectors -Photographer/model interaction General notes: -Since good models are paramount to getting "the shot" we'll provide experienced agency-represented models for the workshop. I'll be updating this page shortly with who we're shooting. -Photographers will be learning/shooting on-the-fly. I'm not a fan of lectures but rather a constant dialogue and sharing of knowledge. That also means, you're not paying to watch me shoot... you'll be doing most of the shooting! -One of the things I enjoy most is keeping the workshop small for more one-on-one attention. I will cap the attendance at 12. -One-on-one time with models is critical to the learning process. At the workshop you'll have plenty of time to work with models. There will be 2-3 photographers per model. Photographers should bring: -Camera/assorted lenses -Lightmeter -Media cards -Something to take notes with -(optional) Pocket Wizards Fee: WORKSHOP IS FULL! REGISTRATION IS CLOSED! $749. [img]http://www.andreahoag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/paypal-logo.jpg[/img] Location LUCIMA STUDIO 212 Kruse Ave. Monrovia, CA 91016 626-674-2858 Date/Time Saturday and Sunday, November 5-6th, 2011, 9AM-5PM Here are my last 6 workshops! January, February, April, June, July, September Q/A: Will update as inquiries come in! Q: Do you also teach workshops from Calumet? What's the difference? A: Yes, I have a non-exclusive partnership with Calumet Photographic that affords me the opportunity to teach my own workshops. So far all my classes at Calumet have been 1-day events at the Hollywood store with no location shooting. Q: I'll be flying in from [fill in the blank]. Where should I stay that's not too far from your studio? A: There are several 2-3 miles away from the studio. I'm not affiliated with any of the following suggestions a) Doubletree Hotel 924 West Huntington Drive, Monrovia, CA b) Oak Tree Inn 788 West Huntington Drive, Monrovia, CA c) Courtyard 700 W. Huntington Drive, Monrovia, CA Q: Which models are we shooting? A: Will update shortly! Q: How will we get to the location on Day 2? A: The location is a short drive from the studio about 10 minutes away. Q: Will we be shooting nudes? A: Nope. For that I suggest you go to Drew and Karl's workshops. I hear they're great Q: At what point will you know whether you will register enough students to confirm the workshop? A: I never cancel my workshops. If there is even 1 photographer, then the show goes on! Yes, I will teach to 1 photographer if only 1 registers! Q: Do I really need a light meter? A: Yes and no. But basically I'll be showing you how to light with AND without light meters. But for a long-winded version of this answer please see my official stance on light meters.
Mon Oct 10 22:56 2011
Life models for art classes, not photography model in Model Colloquy
A response to Anne and a response to the OP: 1. Anne: it's been my experience that a lot of figure model/life modeling programs are run very inefficiently. I'm near a major university. I've tried contacting the professor who runs the figure drawing program and has ads up for prospective models on the campus--no response. Talked to a faculty member at that school who has tried to contact that art professor about model availability--no response. I've shot 3 different models who go to school at that campus--all 3 said they tried getting into the figure modeling classes to pose and pick up some bucks--no followup from the professor. I've shot at least 10 models that I now of that are in figure modeling classes (as the model) around the US in some form. About half complain about the programs being very inefficient. So don't take your response personally, it's probably more about incompetence and inefficiency. 2. To the OP: I've gotten a very divided response about figure modeling in art classes from the models I've shot who have done that. Some complain about how tough it is--they're dynamic, very physical and hate being in the same pose for 15-20 minutes. Others love about how it evens out the business cycle. They know that every Tuesday, they've got a couple of hours of posing with guaranteed money all semester long. You don't get rich that way. But for models who hold up their nose at art class fees, the reality is that when you average out a nude model's posing fee for photography and add in...transportation time, marketing and going through casting and emails on MM (one model told me for every hour of shoot time she booked, she spent 3 hours of pre-shoot communication and contacting people and setting up travel) and then additional expenses you don't have with art classes (like makeup or lingerie)...often times 2-3 art classes back-to-back will result in a better hourly rate than the same amount of time posing for photographers with paid work. Ed
Thu Oct 6 11:12 2011 in reply to Anne_C
I know this will probably raise hell but... in General Industry
Well, and it's a deep well... In my honest opinion it comes down to simple economics. 1. Models have a skill to model. This skill can pay. 2. Photographer have a skill to photograph things. This skill can pay. 3. Models can hire a photographer to take pictures of them for a fee based on his/her skill set and usage rights. 4. Photographer can hire a model based on his/her skill set and usage of the models image. Negotiations can vary between the parties depending on their own bartering for more images/usage rights/"looks" etc. These could even turn the negotiations to a form of payment many have always called TFP (time for prints) on the models behalf. In lieu of or along with reduced funds paid to the model. OR the negotiations could be turned to more usage rights of the models image on behalf of the photographer in lieu of or along with reduced funds paid to the photographer. Negotiations can be an exchange of garments paid to the model, gas money, dinner, lunch etc. Anything you desire to work in a negotiation and can both agree upon. What makes this so? Supply and demand. Who has the supply of what the other needs. Models that don't need prints OR at least don't need prints from a photographer unless they can truly enhance their profile most likely will NOT negotiate TFP or whatever and Photographers that don't need what the model may have to offer will most likely NOT negotiate TFP or whatever as well. supply and demand Now how do rights get involved? 1. Models (anyone actually) have rights (I speak for USA for the most part, in some countries this varies) when it comes to the usage of their image in commercial works. <- period 2. Photographers (ALL artists actually) (I speak for USA for the most part, in some countries this varies) have rights when it comes to THEIR works. <- period So it comes down to a barter/negotiation of those rights. Lest ye not forget TIME: Each supplies time some before/during AND after the shoot to create the finished product. So it is also a barter/negotiation of time spent. Why do models have no rights over their "work" note I am not saying they have no rights based on the usage of their image THAT is a given. They have no rights over "modeling" itself because "Works that have not been fixed in a tangible form of expression are not protected under the Copyright Act..." http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/unprotected.html (was one of the first links that popped up in the google search... So it all comes down to negotiations based on who holds what rights, and whom values whose time and rights more or even equally for that matter and who is putting out what percentage of the work on the project etc etc etc... You can pick it to death and say what about this or what about that well those are all part of the negotiations too. But perhaps I am being to reasonable...
Tue Oct 4 18:08 2011 in reply to emleighdee
What do you think was I in the wrong in Photography Talk
Tried to post this back on page 1 but MM seemed to have a hiccough and could not access for awhile. Some has already been covered but something else: I have had a similar situation with the same model at least a year apart (boyfriend/fiancee in one case and work called the second) except that I had made the booking and was shafted . However in each case had another reliable model backed up. 1. So it was model's idea to shoot and model's idea to shoot in hotel. You offered to cover cost of hotel bill but she had to use her credit card to cover the booking (common application here in Australia - cash not as good as a credit card) . She cancelled without sufficient notice to change booking so full fee is due to the hotel. You have lost a friend because she is now screwed out of the fee. In effect she has paid a non refundable booking fee and is now pissed off that you will not refund it, or you were paying her a fee (the hotel bill) for her to shoot, but she faied to show so she does not get paid and instead gets billed. 2. If you had the credit card and same cancellation occurred then you would have lost a friend and you would be screwed out of the fee. 3. If you were a professional photographer doing this scenario you would require the model to pay a fee to cover the cost of the location + your time to shoot her + the cost of images produced. And before even booking you would require a deposit which would cover any upfront and irrecoverable costs with balance payable on the day. In cases 1 and 2 you have lost a friend. In case 3 the person is a client and not a friend. In case 2 where you have a location booked which is costing money have a backup model or 2. Assuming you could get into the hotel at 2 pm, I would have another model (A) booked for 2.30 - 4.30 your model friend (B) at say 5 pm - 7 pm and a third model (C) for 8 pm - 10 pm. You tell model (A) that there is the possibility of extending her time and she should be prepared for that. You tell model (C) that you may be able to fit her in an hour earlier and extend her time and ask her to be prepared for that. You could also consider having another model (D) for the following morning before bookout time 7am - 9 am. That way you maximise your use of the rented accommodation. If your model (B) cancelled then you extend A for 1 hour to 5.30 have a dinnner and be ready for your early arrival of (C) at 7 pm If the other models also cancel then you have to wonder about your shoot selling ability and try and improve.
Sun Oct 2 00:00 2011 in reply to Gobbo
What is happening out there? in General Industry
I agree. How on earth could a 'model' end up in a shoot without knowing about a release? It should never happen. It COULD be avoided with the addition of an 'induction' area for new models and photographers. IF a photographer chooses a model from that area of the site they do so at their own risk. We also have a new area called 'grievances' where posts like this can be made. The op chose a model who is clearly not a professional. Every model and photographer have to start somehwere BUT they should learn the code of professional conduct and things like no flaking, signing release forms, etc etc. BEFORE commencing work here. Otherwise it reflects badly on all of us; particularly when these klinds of threads are so prolific. Yesterday one poster, a photographer who had no model pics in his port, said he couldn't find a single reliable model in Chicago. There are 6700. Half will be amateurs or wannabes or inactive. But that still leaves 3000 odd models with some experience of all kinds. Ten minutes of searching revealed some of the best model ports I have ever seen. Most of them were also Agency signed. Some newcomers with really tremedous potential; some genre specialists and some great journeymen. So these 'model knocking' threads all over the place undermine the professionalism of the site and the reputation of highly professional models here. We are entitled to ask what you want the images for; but will expect to sign a model release form. Anybody who is a professional model will expect that. We can't get rid of these models; but we should give them some tuition in this kind of thing by putting them in an induction forum if they have no experience where they can learn the ropes. And gripes about MM models (or photographers) that are related to using such amateurs in what is supposed to be a site for professionals reflects badly on us all: so a forum area for that would be good.
Thu Sep 29 14:17 2011 in reply to Tom Silk Photography
Forum quality... in Site Related Forum
And you accused me of writing War and Peace. Debate is about exchange of ideas. When one person is resistant to the ideas they need to be repeated in case you failed to grasp it or address it. I read your post about why you didn't need to pay models and acknowledege you had a point. You - and others -failed to address the points I made in that thread and some of you were diabolically rude. If you insist on remaining entrenched in the west bank and gaza strip then we can go at it for twenty years. Talking should be about understanding and seeing each others viewpoint. That isn't always possible. BUT on this it should be. I get paid because there is demand for my services and you should respect that. You may not need or want to shoot with a model like me but I am entitled to make a living and did. In this thread you have also failed to acknowledge that many of the models are unhappy about the forcefulness and rudeness and constant complaining about MM models being amateur and flakes. There are some absolutely top class models here. It sometimes makes me feel what on earth am I doing here because they are so good. We wish to be able to discuss some issues sometimes without that kind of sarcasm and aggression that is all. You are welcome to contrubute but without negativity. The moderation does not always work. I received ad hominem attacks today. Your first post in this thread was to my mind verging on trolling. I have had posts deleted for less. We want this site to reflect the professionalsim of the many models on it that are reliable and professional; and also the many great photographers here including yourself. We cannot do that without having a bit of respect for each other; and some mutual determination to tidy up the site so the continuing threads about stripper rates and flakes do not vomit over the good stuff daily. They need to be in a grievance forum. I will go there and argue with you but I don't like doing it in an area I feel should be about our modelling not how you think we should all work for tf; or someone else thinks we are some kind of joke internet models who flake etc. I have made my first contribution in the MC tonight. It will help some models get into a very well paid and reliable modelling field. If you don't know about it just don't pout scorn over it that is all we ask . It will help photographers too since models who do uit will learn alot about poise and drape etc and we won't be so reliant on you paying us. I have for example posted a top London model in that thread who is seeking to test at the moment. Look up 'fitting modelling'. And please do not derail it unless you have something that can contribute other than hurtful sarcasm. The place may be more civil because so many models have left; and many frequently don't participate. I find bad language when used in anger upsetting; especially when accompanied by insult. Others do too. Hence the photographers outnumber the models while the models just get on with getting the work and keeping their heads down. And it is because of all the attacks. I am also sending you a pm so you know the kind of thing that we are talking about doesn't mean you but the faintly ridiculous and unwarranted stuff we have to deal with and so are on def con one. However; I will thank you for your apology. Sincerely. There is nothing but dignity in a man who can say sorry and you have gone up in my estimation. Thank you and apologies if I said anything to upset you too. I hope Diana and Springheel can make it up to because I really value both of them. Eliza xx
Wed Sep 28 22:30 2011 in reply to PashaPhoto
Forum quality... in Site Related Forum
With all due respect this is precisely what is wrong. Don't see this as having a go at you please. Try to let me explain. We hear it every day from photographers - oh if I pay model it is when a third party pays. Otherwise I can't pay models. Correcty. Only about 25% of my paid work is from photographers and 10% of that is when a third party pays. Don't get me wrong; I get really excited to shoot especially when it's something exciting. I hate the mundane stuff like being a building society teller etc. As do the photographers so it can be turgid. But I have shot with some really great photographers and given them my all. I am not a classic beauty I get paid because of my effort and input. I actually 'model' as in the verb and some appreciate that and are happy to pay me. When we get working well together I am happy to throw in tf on project development. I KNOW that any model working here professionally photography is only going to be the mainstay with a small minority of succesful models and then it will often be third party paid. As I said; that is not to say it isn't one of the best gigs. BUT here is the issue photographers need to understand from our point of view. I get asked to do a shoot.There is a good reason I won't do tf. If I book two weeks in advance even when its paid when I was modelling full time it could present a major problem. Suddenly I get a call from Agent Provocateur can I do the whole week fitting. Or a call from an Art insititution to do 15 wednesday evenings starting at 5pm when the shoot is scheduled to go on until 6pm. It is a major problem because that lost income can be £1000 or more. With other models it may be a week promo modelling at a car show; all expenses and hotel paid and £1000 in the bank. Or it may be an extra in a movie for six weeks the same; or a part in a west end show dancing. Sometimes it could be ten weeks fitting work lost. That is where you may get flakes from some professionals but I don't do it. So I take the photography gig at £145 but lose the big gigs you see? This will be the same for every professional model. Hence they charge a fee qwhere at least they get a days wages if they miss a big gig. many of we models network with each other to cover our backs in such situations and fill in for each other. Now I am not an Agency model. That does not mean I don't work. Fifty per cent of my paid work was in fashion; and remains so despite the fact that an agency wouldn't touch me at 5ft 6ins. I have fitting work pencilled in for a couturier In London and fashion show booked later in this month. Then a good 25% per cent of my paid work was Art modelling. Again most models here do it ; and there is sometimes quite a bit of excitement when even the odd top professional model turns up at a Fine Art insititution. It is considered a good grounding for pose work. So I am sorry to disappoint you but most of the professional models here are not agency signed and do that kind of work. Actually so do the agency models. So 90% of us make a living and photography is just a bit of the income. A nice bit; but just a part. So do you understand a little more when it drives us mad how you think we are reliant on you and we should be shooting for free?
Wed Sep 28 12:59 2011 in reply to Tony Lawrence
You told her your terms. Cancel. in General Industry
I've noticed that this advice pops up often -- in fact, I copied & pasted this from another thread. This is the popular response to photographers complains, like... ... Model declines the initial offer; model makes a counteroffer, ... Model wants to be paid, ... Model doesn't want to pay the photographer, ... Model wants to bring an escort, ... Model doesn't want to be touched, ... Model can't spell, ... Model hasn't logged on in the past week, ... Model can't/won't call 24 hours in advance to confirm, ... Model has a manager, ... Model has someone else negotiate her terms, ... Model wants more pictures, ... Model wants all the pictures, ... Model doesn't want watermarked pictures, ... etc. I'd like to think I'm a flexible guy (and I'll admit that I'm not 100% flexible), but it seems to me that folks are willing to give up / cancel at the slightest provocation. I also understand that lots of people (most of us?) are not comfortable with negotiation, but I believe that negotiating is a key business skill. Yet, it seems that people take counteroffers personally and that they would rather walk away from a deal than make a counter offer. So, question: are agreements really this difficult & fragile?
Wed Sep 28 08:18 2011
Again you have had a problem reading what I have said consistently. It is NOT amateur models I have an issue with and I have done a great deal to help new models; including stopping a fair amount of bullying and ocassional mysogeny; and telling them how to get a good grounding and paid work that will sustain them in other modelling areas. I DO NOT sneer at amateur models; we are all that to begin with. It is the amateur wannabe egostistical models that flake; turn up with armed escorts, have the stripper rates ; have a couple of nice pics then quote silly rates etc etc. These are clearly not the type of amateur models you have used if you are happy and don't get such problems; but many of the threads in MM are about those issues. What I am saying is that is less likely to happen with a professional or an enthusiastic dedicated amateur. If you can get results from those amateurs or can get pros to work tf then that is great. It is 1. the idea that professional models aren't ever worth paying 2. the idea that professional models are as risky a proposition than an particular type of amateur model we read about round here constantly is what I dispute. And once again do NOT judge people because they defend an argument. It is no reflection on how we may work. I never let things like that come into my actual work. NEVER had one argument on any shoot or other modelling job. You are twisting what I say and attacking me personally because you don't want to pay professional models or acknowledge that we can SOMETIMES have a strong valuable input. It may suit your prejudiced view of me to think I have an attitude but that attitude will be sharply focussed on any job I take with equal commitment. You are a professional photographer and charge for your work. I am a professional model and charge for mine. Such positions deserve mutual respect for each other's craft. If you don't wants to pay a model that is fine. The reason we as professional models don't get respect around here is because we are judged by the behaviour of models who are incompetent, unreliable, charge wannabe or so called 'stripper' rates etc etc and because of the failure for some to see what a model actually does get paid for.
Wed Sep 28 05:30 2011 in reply to Lumigraphics
That is fair enough. However; the problem then is that the MM forum becomes bogged down with photographers criticising models for being unprofessional. If they are hobbyists and choose a newbie and she flakes; turns up with a mad gun toting escort, gets a few good shots and thinks she can start charging silly rates; etc etc then it reflects on MM models as a whole. I am not suggesting that hobbyists don't use newbies for tf; merely that they recognise that professional models are not accompanied by the problems that we see here regularly. One could be forgiven when reading the forums that the majority of models here are such amateurs. When in fact some of the top Agency and even top Campaign girls are here. I have worked with several who I know are here whose agency rates would frighten even the best photographers to death. If those girls go a few weeks without working they may need to bang up new looks on their port to keep everything fresh; so they may get them tf on rare ocassions. That doesn't mean they are all going to shoot with hobbyists even if they met their rates. But there are lots of different kinds of models in all genres and levels that are very professional; not so expensive, and photographers of all genres and levels do use us and do pay us and we do deliver. I realise that sometimes frustration with an amateur who doesn't behave correctly can lead to outbursts; I also realise that some photographers are so good that even top agency girls will shoot tf with them rather than work paid with a hobbyist. That doesn't mean that all of us need to. I am never going to be an editorial or campaign model; so to be honest the fact that I may shoot tf with such a photographer is a red herring. It actually will be no good for them or me. So when such quality professional photographers post here saying that they don't have to pay models, then either: 1. They get to shoot the models they ought to be shooting tf and so what is the problem 2. They frequently are wasting their time because they are not hobbyists so why shoot newbies and amateurs? As you say it takes a lot of time to pose them and build confidence etc. 3. If they are shooting for something personal like creative development, view to exhibition or publication etc then they are again better off with a professional model because the time wasted you describe may give them the satisfaction that they can get good shots from amateur models; but it isn't going to help their artistic aspirations and they just become great technical port shooters but the work can be unimaginative. Even top photographers work can become staid without a challenging model who will inspire and stretch them. That is likely to be a professional. So it comes across as bombastic, undermines those of us who have our niche and work hard and are paid, gives every hobbyist and gwc they have a god given right to shoot models for free too, and makes us seem mercenary. It really angers me and many other models and undermines the site reputation ; because we stick to our guns and charge while the photographers seek amateurs and it goes tits up. Professional models are entitled to charge for their efforts and what they contribute in terms of creativity to the shoot at whatever level; without the accusations of being mercenary because believe it or not it isn't our hobby to shoot your projects! We make our living that way and are working at our optimum level without dreaming that shooting tf with great editorial or studio photographers is going to put us in Vogue or Playboy. I would rather work with artists, creative photographers, designers, educational insititutions, etc who do not moan about our rates and recognise what we do. By choosing a professional model the hobbyist too is also more likely to make transition to paid work because instead of just producing images which are technically lovely port shots; they may actually produce something more ambitious that is saleable at exhibition or to publication; or actually shows that they are ready for such work to third parties.
Tue Sep 27 07:26 2011 in reply to alessandro2009
nude male models in Model Colloquy
I've shot a lot of male nudes. (1) You can't talk a model into nudes who isn't interested. They are either willing or not willing, and there is little you can say to sway them if they are not. So don't try. If a model says no, just move on to the next one. (2) How nude and controversial do you plan to be? My nudes are fairly mild and tasteful, and I very rarely ask a male model to show his penis. That makes a huge difference. I've worked with a LOT of male models who are willing to show side or rear nudity, so long as their penis doesn't show. If that is adequate for your needs, you'll have a much easier time finding models. If you require full frontal nudity, that will dramatically limit your models. In the US, most legit agencies do not allow their male models to show their penis (don't know if that is the case in Australia). If you require erections, then you really need a porn star, not a model. And be prepared to pay. (3) Having a good portfolio makes a big difference. When I first started it was more difficult to find wiling models. Now that I have a substantial gallery of very unique nudes, it is much easier to find models. Models find me. (4) On MM, I find it more productive to search through models using the Browse menu, and contact models individually. I personally don't use casting calls to try to recruit models. Understand that a lot of models on MM are just doing it for grins, and aren't particularly serious about it, so you get a fair amount of flakes. It can take some persistence to weed through the flakes to find the good serious models.
Fri Sep 23 18:57 2011 in reply to IanC Creative
OK I can afford over 20K worth of photography gear I can afford to pay for insurance I have a bunch of cool software and computers and stuff that aren't cheap But somehow after investing all that money to make the best photos I can, I don't want to invest any money in the subject of my photos. I can never quite get my head around that line of thinking. The majority of my portfolio is stuff I've shot for trade, but if you're trying to make great photos, what is the big deal about tossing a fraction of what you spend on lenses, bodies, software, computers, etc. to an experienced model to make the best images you can. If someone like Vassanta, Keira Grant, V Nixie, Paper Doll, etc. is in your area, schedule some time with them and pay them. I turn away models that want to shoot trade with me, nudes, clothed, whatever all the time. While shooting trade is thought of as "free", the truth is my time is valuable. That "free" model costs me a bunch of hours retouching images that I have offered as compensation for the time that "free" model spent with me. When it turns out that she can't model, has only one expression, showed up with a few more pounds than her portfolio pics, and went on a Butterfinger binge before the shoot and her skin is all jacked up, what I get in return for my time is totally not worth it. So now I'm in the position of spending a bunch of time working on images that I'll never even want to show to anyone and putting aside other things so that I can finish these images in the timeline I agreed to. Yes, that's an extreme case, and most of my trade shoots turn out pretty good, but it does happen and I'm very reluctant to take chances on inexperienced models working for trade. When I pay a model, I shoot, pay her, and my obligation to her is done. I work on the images I want to when I want to and while I've been disappointed once or twice with models I've paid, the results of my shoots with paid models have overall been much better than with trade models. Fortunately (for me), I'm not a full time photographer and don't have to hustle every minute to generate income with my photography. This is primarily a hobby for me and I want to get as good at it as I can. Working with paid models gives me the opportunity to jump start the quality of images I create and I can do whatever experiments I want with lighting, themes, etc. and it doesn't matter to the model if they turn out or not. I don't have a lot of ego wrapped up in this and I'm willing to invest in all aspects of my photography. You don't see travel photographers saying "I'll never pay to go someplace to take photos". They invest in travel so that they can get shots of things you don't see every day. That's the same way I look at paying models. There are a lot of models right outside my door that I can shoot for "free", but there are only a handful of models that really take things to the next level.
Tue Sep 20 06:19 2011 in reply to Expose The Moment
Model Summit 2011 Harrisburg PA in Events
What is Model Summit you ask? Model Summit is a 2-day Meet/Greet Event held since 2006 around the country once a year...most recently in Houston, Texas in 2010. Model Summit will be held this year on October 15th and 16th, in Harrisburg, PA. On its' 5th Anniversary Model Summit is returning to its roots in Central PA! This year's event location will be disclosed September 30th. Due to recent weather issues, there are currently 2 different locations that are being looked into in the event that the original location will not be ready. We will know the exact location by September 30th, 2 weeks prior to the event. What to expect: Model Summit 2011 is designed to be a collaboration of models, photographers, make-up artists, and businesses interested in working with members of our industry for various projects. It is designed as a Meet/Greet/Casting Call, so come prepared to impress potential clients, and essentially be interviewed, and interview yourself, people within our industry to work with. There will be some opportunity for some limited shooting while at the event. Details will be provided. Some of the current projects being interviewed for photographers, models, and make-up artists: Body Painting Shoots Lingerie Calendar Swimsuit Calendar Poker Shoot Tattoo Calendar Bike Calendar Mess in a Dress Wood Nymphs Hot Cars, Hot Girls Calendar Boudoir Circus Theme Shoot Sexy Sports Calendar Waterfall Sexy Fantasy Calendar And many more... Model Summit 2011 also presents an opportunity for you - photographers, models, and make-up artists- to bring your own ideas to seek out potential collaborators for your own personal ideas as well. This event will enable you to plan ahead, schedule, and work on projects potentially throughout the coming year, so don't miss this opportunity! We will be announcing Featured Attendees, schedules, and other details over the next two weeks so stay tuned! There is limited space available so please be sure to register for the event as soon as possible. How to register: There is no fee to register, however, October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, and we simply ask that attendees make a donation of any amount upon attending to the Susan G. Komen for the Cure Donation Box that will be present during the event. Models, Photographers, and Make-Up Artists are asked to send the following information to email@example.com MODELS Full Name (Actual Name plus Alias if applicable - example: Jane Doe aka Sly Fox) Age (under 18 requires an adult to accompany you) Email address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Experience level (Amateur, Some Experience, Professional) Model Website address (Model Mayhem, Personal site, MissOnline, OneModelPlace, etc.) PHOTOGRAPHERS Full Name (Actual Business Name and Full Name - example: JD Fotos by John Doe) Email Address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Experience level (Amateur, Some Experience, Professional) Photography Website Address (Personal, Model Mayhem, MissOnline, etc.) MUAs Full Name (Actual Business Name and Full Name - example: Make-Up by JD by Jane Doe) Email Address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Experience level (Amateur, Some Experience, Professional) Website Address (Personal, Model Mayhem, MissOnline, etc.) BUSINESSES Full Name of Business Contact Person Email Address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Website Address List any Projects in which you are seeking to use models, photographers, and/or make-up artists. (Please note if they are PAID, UNPAID, or other terms of compensation) For speedy acknowledgement of your registration please make sure you send all the information completed and correctly the first time. If you have any questions, please contact me at 832.722.1248 or email at firstname.lastname@example.org We look forward to seeing you there!
Wed Sep 14 13:32 2011
That is where you are incorrect. It appears to me you are looking for inspiration having arrived at a certain point when you think paying a model will not necessarily add to your shoot. You need a muse; your Gia if you like. You may get that without paying. Maybe even a girl on the street. But it is more likely to come from a professional model is my argument. The reason for that is that we expect as part of our job to inspire you and interpret your vision and add our input to it. Yes; certainly there are mercenary models who just turn up shoot and haven't really given themselves to you. In fact I see Agency models on good money doing that regularly; but by the same token I see agency models that are absolutely brilliant and give their all. And you get amateurs and girls shooting tf that will do that too. EXACTLY the same is true of photographers. I see really good -photographers shooting fairly mundane portfolios and they have been paid for them. They have had a mercenary attitude. The same is true on commercial shoots. Some will say "well this isn't really what I want to do and I imagine its not what you want to do but let's give it our best shot". Others can barely raise a grunt and they are doing it for the money and I feel like slapping them as it can reflect on us! I still throw my all into every job whether its one like that or a student photographer or a tf job or a well paid job. You will get my best work. OK I can't jump around if I a being the mortgage advisor but I will give my best authentic smile and expression for as long as it takes to get the right shot; I push myself to believe I am that person with the smiley face that gets you to trust the company even though deep down it's crap. I think that true of many many models here. We are able to do that because we work at it full time (as I said this is not applicable to me now but it was before starting my PhD). Gia was different. She was a drug addict, arguably a naricissist, had mental health issues and was very highly paid so had the time to shoot for free when she wanted to. But yes she was incredible; one in a thousand . Go ahead find one nobody is saying if you can get that you shouldn't. I'd like to have seen Gia have to be the mortgage girl; or the latex fetish shoot and love it and do it for free Sometimes you get actors like that that will do things fro free - but it is more likely to be the ones who were like Gia at the top of the tree anyway. Sometimes you may even get a person off the street and they will be brilliant actors. And sometimes you can use paid actors and they are terrible. As a photographer you may be in charge of the casting of the actor in your images. Look for your Gia but you may look forever on the street or asking people to do it for free. Maybe ask an Agency if you can shoot a girl for free if you think she may be the one for your project. Worth a try. But by the same token you may want to be more realistic. The two models I cited earlier have inspired fantastic art but they are journeymen professionals. They would not be suitable for everyone; but one can see they have added that unquantifiable factor that sometimes can be the result of their 'aura' but other times it is the result of craft and great understanding of Art themselves. I could cite a hundred like them here on MM that I know of. It is pretty obvious by looking at their port how much they have inspired those who have paid them to shoot; and enabled them to develop their craft so they can work at optimum level all the time. No stiffness about them; no lack of expression or bored looks. They are artists. Not all models; even professionals are. Some are clothes horses; some are beautiful; some are great bodies. Some of those can perform when they are inspired by the photographer or the money. And then others are artists in their own right who will do their best for your Art. To do that in the long term they need to be paid. And do get paid. Not a great deal maybe. What you need to do as photographers is to work out which of the models here are likely to add something; be the right choice for you; be a muse. That will develop your craft and Art too; take it to the next level. The model who can give yiou that lift and inspiration. If you have reached a point where you can do that whether the girl is paid or not then you have either reached your potential or as I say need to step it up again. Every artists needs inspiration. And that is what models are supposed to be for. If they are not giving it you you need to find that Gia; whether you pay her or not. The question only remains if that girl that can add something and you almost certainly know it enough to approach her; then does it really matter if she tells you her rates? If that is all she does then maybe beware; but she should also be asking at point of contact what your project is about and giving their input. generally at that stage you know when you have found the right one. And you can't do that via an Agency; so this is the advantage of MM. But I think for the assumption to be made that a model is mercenary because she expects payment for her all isn't valid. Many make great financial sacrifice to do it and continue to invest in themselves - again just like a photographer does. If she remains professional it is because some clearly do find she is worth it. If you think we can't add to your work perhaps you shouldn't be booking models at all. Perhaps you need other inspiration. But please do not suggest that we should inspire you for free when we are worth it. If we are not worth it to you personally - then you don't have to book us. But to suggest that if we charge we cannot do Art is rather a strange argument. As I said what I have personally found is that what the photographer means when they complain about rates is I can't afford £100 an hour. But because that usually means half a day plus prep time etc then it is much effort for £100 . What I find is that if you book them for a whole day they will negotiate a great deal as they are after a day's work because that is what it takes to sustain as as professionals. And other aspects of modelling provide it without question. If we are not worth it to you stop complaining just get on and book your tf girls. xx
Tue Sep 13 06:10 2011 in reply to Tony Lawrence
Model Summit 2011 in Events
What is Model Summit you ask? Model Summit is a 2-day Meet/Greet/Casting Call held since 2006 around the country once a year...most recently in Houston, Texas in 2010. Model Summit will be held this year on October 15th and 16th, in Harrisburg, PA. On its' 5th Anniversary Model Summit is returning to its roots in Central PA! This year's event location will be disclosed September 30th. Due to recent weather issues, there are currently 2 different locations that are being looked into in the event that the original location will not be ready. We will know the exact location by September 30th, 2 weeks prior to the event. What to expect: Model Summit 2011 is designed to be a collaboration of models, photographers, make-up artists, and businesses interested in working with members of our industry for various projects. It is designed as a Meet/Greet/Casting Call, so come prepared to impress potential clients, and essentially be interviewed, and interview yourself, people within our industry to work with. There will be some opportunity for some limited shooting while at the event. Details will be provided. Some of the current projects being interviewed for photographers, models, and make-up artists: Body Painting Shoots Lingerie Calendar Swimsuit Calendar Poker Shoot Tattoo Calendar Bike Calendar Mess in a Dress Wood Nymphs Hot Cars, Hot Girls Calendar Boudoir Circus Theme Shoot Sexy Sports Calendar Waterfall Sexy Fantasy Calendar And many more... Model Summit 2011 also presents an opportunity for you - photographers, models, and make-up artists- to bring your own ideas to seek out potential collaborators for your own personal ideas as well. This event will enable you to plan ahead, schedule, and work on projects potentially throughout the coming year, so don't miss this opportunity! We will be announcing Featured Attendees, schedules, and other details over the next two weeks so stay tuned! There is limited space available so please be sure to register for the event as soon as possible. How to register: There is no fee to register, however, October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, and we simply ask that attendees make a donation of any amount upon attending to the Susan G. Komen for the Cure Donation Box that will be present during the event. Models, Photographers, and Make-Up Artists are asked to send the following information to email@example.com MODELS Full Name (Actual Name plus Alias if applicable - example: Jane Doe aka Sly Fox) Age (under 18 requires an adult to accompany you) Email address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Experience level (Amateur, Some Experience, Professional) Model Website address (Model Mayhem, Personal site, MissOnline, OneModelPlace, etc.) PHOTOGRAPHERS Full Name (Actual Business Name and Full Name - example: JD Fotos by John Doe) Email Address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Experience level (Amateur, Some Experience, Professional) Photography Website Address (Personal, Model Mayhem, MissOnline, etc.) MUAs Full Name (Actual Business Name and Full Name - example: Make-Up by JD by Jane Doe) Email Address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Experience level (Amateur, Some Experience, Professional) Website Address (Personal, Model Mayhem, MissOnline, etc.) BUSINESSES Full Name of Business Contact Person Email Address Phone Number (Please note whether it is a cell and if you can receive texts) Website Address List any Projects in which you are seeking to use models, photographers, and/or make-up artists. (Please note if they are PAID, UNPAID, or other terms of compensation) For speedy acknowledgement of your registration please make sure you send all the information completed and correctly the first time. If you have any questions, please contact me at 832.722.1248 or email at firstname.lastname@example.org We look forward to seeing you there!
Tue Sep 13 03:50 2011
This needs to be a sticky on MM! So well written and correct. I'm not opposed to paying models and have. Not the $100.00 or more rate but I have and will pay. When, I was in Texas I did several nude shoots at dirty and abandoned factories and farms. The models I paid were worth their weight in gold for being willing to be nude in those crazy spots. However many also worked free and guess what. They also looked great. As for experienced models. Lets all be candid its all about how you like a models look. I have no ideal how experienced a model is or isn't based on a few shots. This year, I worked with a former Elite model who's been in Elle. Another commercial model who's done ads. Neither were concerned with me paying them anything. In fact many agency models test all the time for free with agency and non agency approved photographers. They do fashion, glamor and yes even nudes all for free. This ideal that paying a model may get you better images is false. No model, I've ever worked with gave me any tips on lighting or composition either. That said there are some very good reasons to pay some models. If you are planning to take your book to a agency yet don't have strong models to show and can't get them TF. Then pay. Right or wrong a fashion photographers book is as much judged by his imagery as by models used. If you are going to advertising agencies this is also important. Yet paying models as you build those skills is often a waste of cash. As for nudes. Simply because a model is willing to pose nude doesn't mean that photographers can or will pay them. Content providers for example can't usually pay much because the price for content is next to nothing. Yet, I understand how some models feel. They can't eat or pay bills with photos and even with great photos don't want to spend the time to create those images without payment. That also makes sense. I and many others simply can't pay them or they are beyond our ability to pay.
Sun Sep 11 16:23 2011 in reply to Lumigraphics
So why comment in a thread asking for models opinons? Not that what you say is not necessarily true; but in certain - in fact most - circumstances the photographer is going to learn more quickly by paying an experienced pro model; and a model is going to learn more quickly paying an experienced pro photographer. If you have models willing to shoot tf that is great. Most of us don't have the time to do it regularly and we get asked all the time. Say no and give rates and most of the time the photographer is willing to pay. Especially if a third party is involved. Now yes you can probably book one of the girls who shoots tf with you to do a job for a third party client; but what if she then gets another job on the same day? Flake. If the photographer is getting paid for the job he needs 100% reliability and gets that by paying a pro and its correct she gets reimbursed as well as he. I mean it is not so applicable to me now but when in London there was no way I had time to shoot tf. And yes it meant having to put a job with a gwc or a basic commerical photographer ahead of a tf possibility with a great photographer but it paid the bills. If that is running around demanding money and I didn't learn how to model then there must be an awful lots of mugs around willing to pay as you imply. Of course; the truth is they aren't any more mugs than the models who do tf. It is just that sometimes an arrangement can and should be paid in either direction. TF can be and is an option but may not be a reliable or sensible arrangement especially when a third party and deadlines are involved. So for example you ask me to shoot tf. Yes great port; would be great to have your images in mine. In fact' I would love it and need a port update. So I email you and ask then you say sure next tuesday. Then you get a commercial job. You cancel because you have to take the paid job. NOW IF I had been paying you for the day you wouldn't have cancelled would you? Same for models. You look at my port and like it so book me and yes I like your work so it's tf. Then I get a weeks work modelling elsewhere. I cancel because I can't turn it down see? No probs in either case rearrangements can be made but NOT when a third party is involved. And the truth is generally that is the case OR a photographer has a market or client involved or will sell the image in other ways. If he can't then the model should be paying. The reason I say this is that nearly all the tf shoots I discussed with photographers when I started never came off because always either they or I were too busy at the last minute. So I found it wasn't easy to arrange despite mutual willingness. I just could not afford to not give priority to the paid work or neither could they. As soon as money is on the table in either way then cancellation becomes less likely. That is not to dismiss any of the points you have made; except the one about models running around demanding money. Usually the photographer gets a job and pays a model because that job is shooting a model at a hotel drinking champagne on the patio; or a shoe shop brochure in which only legs are seen; or a smiley mortgage company ad or something similar. Boring for both but again pays the bills of both. Models don't even get to see those shots let alone even want to use them in a port and want paying for the effort. In the case of the latter yes of course that is whay we may need to shoot with more artistic photographers like you tf. But that isn't often; though all models may need to from time to time yes. Using your band anology its like this. Yep a band needs to practice. But when they don't get to the lofty elite level where they get a lucrative record contract after a while but are still competent muiscians and get asked to do lots of events like bars and parties and balls and cruises then they ask money and rightly so! They take that work eventually rather than keeping plugging away doing supports to bigger bands for nothing. They still may go into a recording studio very occasionally when offered it for free or they even pay; but they have reached the level where they know that is purely for their own artistic reasons and have few pretensions to stardom. If they want to stay musicians they take the paying gigs.
Sun Sep 11 09:30 2011 in reply to Lumigraphics
I bet if you took a poll of professionals here they would not be far off and that is what counts. If someone wants me for an hour I am going to charge £75 plus travel. Which is about $100. Two hours I charge £100. The problem is that by taking a job for an hour or two you can lose a day's week or month gig. So what a model needs is a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. I thus charge £145 a day because I am happy to work eight hours as long as I get that day's work. Anything less is insanity - an hours work is no good unless it pays that. I will work for less than that IF it is local and ongoing. Hence most of us do the local art institution at £50 for two hours because they book us for ten weeks on wednesday night. Photographers rarely give that kind of work. We may indeed only have 3 or 4 paying gigs a month at $100 an hour from photographers. BUT unless we are elite editorial models or have huge boobs photographers will only provide maybe 30% of our work if that. Photographers do not appear to realise that modelling for photographers is only part of what we do. I was 100% employed most of the time for two years in London. 3 or 4 days or half days a week I would work at Agent Provocateur . A day or evening a week a boutique or designer modelling creations for clients. Then there were fashion trade shows whether its Erotica or the Clothes Show Live or London Fashion week regularly. Such events offer a massive range of modelling beyond the obvious catwalk stuff for the elite too. There is all the fitting stuff, plus very bar wants models and every designer wants models for social events in the evenings. Then most evenings and some days I would be at the same regular Art Institution gigs; plus then for individual renowned artists and sculptors. Then other girls I know do similar but they may also dance and act and get modelling gigs where that is involved; whether it is doing that as part of the act or on the door for a burlesque event or music industry party. Then there is promotions modelling (two weeks solid work promoting mobile phones or perfume in a mall or wearing a sash on the podium at a sports event) ; plus lifestyle modelling stuff where a health spa or small magazine books you directly and the photographer just turns up. So this work is all on going and regular generally. That makes up 70% of our paid work. Yes in the beginning to get that work we need photographers to do our port; plus we need some updates. But we don't need it every day or even every week because we are busy busy busy. Ifwe take a one or two hour job with a photographer for £25 an hour then we are almost guaranteed that we will have to turn down something more lucrative or secure from one of the above. It happened almost every time I took a photography job so they have to pay. As long as I got a days wages out of it I didn't mind losing the other work; but to do it for £50 or tf is gutting. ALL professionals will find this so hence the rates. In fact I would say that all professional models are going to have to charge that ball park figure unless they come up with the day's work model which they may do formally likemyself or by negotiation with the photographer. Few of us would expect to shoot for 8 hours at $100 an hour: the rate for an hour is there because often photographers think that is the way to save money - just to shoot for an hour. It isn't. If you say well I am only going to pay you $25 an hour but I will give you 8 hours work a model is more likely to accept because it is worth travelling and sacrificing the more regular work for. You may of course get pretty girls; or amateurs to model for less than that but then the modelling work I have described above they would not get. We as professionals get it because we have a range of crafts and skills and experience that means we have constant demand for our services other than just from photographers. If photographers do not see what those skills and talents are; and are happy to carry on with the former then fine. But don't have a go at professionals because you do not understand why we get paid. Thank you though for those photographers who do value us for our craft and individual skills rather than just as new meat or still life. xx
Sun Sep 11 03:23 2011 in reply to Cascading Falls Photogr
Great Lakes Workshops wrote: The Fall Arizona Desert Shoot details are finally here! This is not designed to compete with mega events in any way ! Ours is a small group shoot for the discriminating photographer that appreciates shooting lovely models with Arizona's natural landscape as the backdrop. It allows for 1:1 quality shooting time to work with each of the models to get images of a a lifetime! TWO FULL DAYS in the desert and mountains of Arizona and a day at our luxury villa by Scottsdale's famous Camelback Mountain. With a magnificently landscaped yard and pool, it is a backdrop worthy of a magazine cover. Come along with a small select group of photographers and a great group of models, as we create some stellar images. and have a lot of fun! Pics of Casa la Valencia: http://www.arizonalodgingexperts.com/pa … lencia.php Schedule: Friday, November 4, 6pm-9pm Meet & Greet Reception at Casa la Valencia Saturday, November 5, ( leave 9:00am-return 6;00pm ish) Leave Casa la Valencia for Tonto National Forest Caravan Style for a full day of shooting. We will shoot at a few locations throughout the day, with a brief lunch stop mid day. Bottled water and energy bars will be provided since there are no food facilities in the National Park.Lunch will be outside of the Park. This will be our 6th time shooting in Tonto, a wide variety of lakes,rivers,gulches, canyons and rock faced mountains! Sunday, November 6 (leave 8:00am-return 6pmish) Leave Casa la Valencia for Sedona, AZ for a day of OUTSTANDING shooting. Some of the best landcapes in the country. Red/orange wind blown rock formations (incredible). This will be a somewhat shorter day of shooting due to the longer travel times, but we will be able to get images that can only be a fantasy in other locales! This location alone is wort the trip! Monday, November 7, 9am-1pm Open shooting with all photographers and models at Casa la Valencia. Primarily outside in the landscaped gardens,pool area with the exception of the large common area. 1pm-2pm Signing of model releases by models,lunch and setting up of 1:1 private shooting sessions for the afternoon. Only those models and photographers that are scheduled will remain in the house. 2pm Conclusion of the Group Shoot. Only 1:1 shoots allowed after 2pm 2:30pm-6:30pm Private 1;1 Shoots with Models scheduled. They will be in 30 and 60 minute segments. SCHEDULED MODELS:: ( Photographer/ Model ratio-minimum of 2:1) All will be posing up to Playboy Style Nude.Some are available up to Penthouse style. Bella Moore:(AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/1637882 Carly Erin:(CA) http://www.modelmayhem.com/706336 Desert Beauty:(AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/105641 I-G (AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/839450 Kelsey Dylan:(OH) http://www.modelmayhem.com/1223875 Veronika Valentine 1 (MI) http://www.modelmayhem.com/1480683 Hunter McDermott (AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/2024191 Photographer Fee: $475 AFTER October 4 $450 if paid in Full before October 4! Can be secured with a $150 Deposit - Balance of the $450 to be paid before October 4 * In an effort to have a high quality shoot and enjoyable experience for all, we are limiting this shoot to TEN photographers ONLY! ** Fee includes approximate shooting time of TWELVE HOURS of 1:1 shooting with all NUDE MODELS over the three days. (Approximately four hours each day.). Private shooting sessions are additional and optional, and may include more erotic style nudes in a more intimate setting. *Private Shooting Sessions on Monday afternoon: (all models ) 60 min- $100 30 min-$60 *Unlimited Model Releases-Available from models on Monday @ $15 each INCLUDES: Friday's Meet & Greet Reception, Three days of shooting with all models, and transportation to/ from shooting locations from Casa la Valencia on Saturday and Sunday. Bottled Water / Snacks on both days in the desert, and snacks/refreshments at Casa la Valencia. NOT INCLUDED-Transportation to/from Phoenix, hotel accommodations, meal expenses other than outlined and anything not specifically covered. I am happy to recommend a few hotel accommodations in the area, as well as a local taxi service Casa la Valencia is very close to the Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport! Many hotels in North Phoenix and Scottsdale are very closeby and within easy commuting to Casa la Valencia. Questions...........? Rick Pickert land-414.988.9747 cell-857.225.0322 PayPal: email@example.com 414.988.9747 cell-857.225.0322
Fri Sep 9 02:36 2011
The Fall Arizona Desert Shoot details are finally here! This is not designed to compete with mega events in any way ! Ours is a small group shoot for the discriminating photographer that appreciates shooting lovely models with Arizona's natural landscape as the backdrop. It allows for 1:1 quality shooting time to work with each of the models to get images of a a lifetime! TWO FULL DAYS in the desert and mountains of Arizona and a day at our luxury villa by Scottsdale's famous Camelback Mountain.(Approximately TWELVE FULL HOURS of shooting all scheduled with our gorgeous models.for this planned event.) Casa la Valencia, luxuriously furnished,cwith a magnificently landscaped yard and pool, it is a backdrop worthy of any magazine cover. Come along with a small select group of photographers and a great group of models, as we create some stellar images and have a lot of fun in the process! Pics of Casa la Valencia: http://www.arizonalodgingexperts.com/pa … lencia.php Schedule: Friday, November 4, 6pm-9pm Meet & Greet Reception at Casa la Valencia Saturday, November 5, ( leave 9:00am-return 6;00pm ish) Leave Casa la Valencia for Tonto National Forest Caravan Style for a full day of shooting. We will shoot at a few locations throughout the day, with a brief lunch stop mid day. Bottled water and energy bars will be provided while in the Park,since there are no food facilities in the National Park. We will stop for lunch mid day outside of the Park. This will be our 6th time shooting in Tonto, a wide variety of lakes, rivers, gulches, canyons and rock faced mountains! A gorgeous variety of some of the area's most beautiful natural scenery. Sunday, November 6 (leave 8:00am-return 6pmish) Leave Casa la Valencia for Sedona, AZ (approxiamtely two hours by car) for a day of OUTSTANDING shooting. Some of the best landscapes in the country. Red/orange wind blown rock formations (incredible). This will be a somewhat shorter day of shooting due to the longer travel times, but we will be able to get images that can only be a fantasy in other locales! This location alone is worth the trip! Monday, November 7, 9am-1pm Open shooting with all photographers and models at Casa la Valencia. Primarily outside in the landscaped gardens,pool area with the exception of the large common area. 1pm-2pm Signing of model releases by models,lunch and setting up of 1:1 private shooting sessions for the afternoon. Only those models and photographers that are scheduled will remain in the house. 2pm Conclusion of the Group Shoot. Only 1:1 shoots allowed after 2pm 2:30pm-6:30pm Private 1;1 Shoots with Models scheduled. They will be in 30 and 60 minute segments. SCHEDULED MODELS:: ( Photographer/ Model ratio-minimum of 2:1) All will be posing up to Playboy Style Nude. Some are available up to Penthouse style. Bella Moore:(AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/1637882 Carly Erin:(CA) http://www.modelmayhem.com/706336 Desert Beauty:(AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/105641 I-G (AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/839450 Kelsey Dylan:(OH) http://www.modelmayhem.com/1223875 Veronika Valentine 1 (MI) http://www.modelmayhem.com/1480683 Hunter McDermott (AZ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/2024191 Photographer Fee: $475 AFTER October 4 $450 if paid in Full before October 4! Can be secured with a $150 Deposit - Balance of the $450 to be paid before October 4 * In an effort to have a high quality shoot and enjoyable experience for all, we are limiting this shoot to TEN photographers ONLY! ** Fee includes approximate shooting time of TWELVE HOURS of 1:1 shooting with all NUDE MODELS over the three days. (Approximately four hours each day.). Private shooting sessions are additional and optional, and may include more erotic style nudes in a more intimate setting. *Private Shooting Sessions on Monday afternoon: (all models ) 60 min- $100 30 min-$60 Indoor private shooting allowed in the master bedroom and master back including glass blocked walk in double shower! *Unlimited Model Releases-Available from models on Monday @ $15 each INCLUDES: Friday's Meet & Greet Reception, Three days of shooting with all models, and transportation to/ from shooting locations from Casa la Valencia on Saturday and Sunday. Bottled Water / Snacks on both days in the desert, and snacks/refreshments at Casa la Valencia. NOT INCLUDED-Transportation to/from Phoenix, hotel accommodations, meal expenses other than outlined and anything not specifically covered. There are numerous hotel accommodations within 3 miles in different price ranges,from budget to luxury. I am happy to recommend a few hotel accommodations in the area, as well as a terrific Scottsdale taxi service. Restaurants are plentiful in the area at all price ranges. Casa la Valencia is very close to the Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport! Many hotels in North Phoenix and Scottsdale are very closeby and within easy commuting to Casa la Valencia. Questions...........? Rick Pickert land-414.988.9747 cell-857.225.0322 PayPal: firstname.lastname@example.org 414.988.9747 cell-857.225.0322 Bella Moore (AZ) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100412/21/4bc3f8f84922d.jpg[/img] Carly Erin (CA) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100227/06/4b89331495c71.jpg[/img] Desert Beauty (AZ) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/081024/11/4901e6960b35b.jpg[/img] I-G (AZ) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110610/23/4df3072fa5381.jpg[/img] Kelsey Dylan (OH) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/090803/07/4a76f39533118.jpg[/img] Veronika Valentine1(MI) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110810/06/4e4280f79ee47.jpg[/img] Heather Mc Dermott (AZ) [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110620/17/4dffed09904b6.jpg[/img]
Thu Sep 8 07:34 2011
I'm coming to visit, wanna pay me? in General Industry
Those two concepts (model's enthusiasm & model's compensation) are not mutually exclusive. I've had models who were very excited by the concepts that I wanted to try, and I've had well paid models pose as if they were mentally somewhere else. Look, you don't have to pay models if you don't want to. You may never get an opportunity to work with top talents, but that's okay if you are satisfied. But unless you work with top talent, you may never know what you are missing. Regarding copyrights -- I'm talking more in the abstract. In fact, let me talk generically (i.e. not directed specifically at Tony) -- I'm just saying that a collaboration is a collaboration, but photographers tend to get awfully possessive once the last exposure is made. If it was really a collaboration, then... ... The copyright could be shared (all parties would profit), ... The model's watermark goes on the image with the photographer's, ... Any revenue brought in would be shared, ... The model could edit the image as she sees fit, ... In fact, the model would get RAW copies of all the images, ... The model could sell autographed copies, ... etc. But that doesn't happen very often. When photographers say "collaborations", I think they are talking about something entirely different. It just sounds like you are making the model take on some roles that they are not prepared to take on. Especially traveling model -- it is a super-long shot for a model not familiar to your area to help you find a location. That's crazy. I understand collaboration. I understand teamwork. I've been on small teams & large teams. I've had (and still have) partners. I've led small teams. I've led huge teams of thousands of people (many of whom were paid better than I). But the role of the team leader is always to provide the vision & direction and to inspire enthusiasm. I know how to get the best work out of the people on the team. Whatever works for you is fine for you -- I'm just saying that most traveling models would be unprepared to "collaborate" with you the way you describe. And for me, it just feels like the photographer is not really experiencing the creative process is he is depending on the model for concept, location, etc. (But that's just my opinion, of course).
Wed Sep 7 12:55 2011 in reply to Tony Lawrence
San Diego Top Model Shoot 9/25 in Events
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Tue Sep 6 18:18 2011
Model Rates... in Model Colloquy
I worked at most of the major London Art institutions for two years. In that time I saw dozens of agency models and one or two well known ones. Sometimes they were drawing us; sometimes watching and questioning, sometimes there were two or three and with the agent. I heard of super models doing it but admittedly never saw them though it was on tv. Then sometimes they came to practice pose. I didn't see any modelling school people no and yes to some extent can agree in that respect re modelling schools - but don't think these girls you speak of aren't well coached. Then I and others regularly worked fashion events with Agency models getting paid a lot more than us; but sometimes the younger ones do it for nothing to learn. I think the problem is that photographers don't see any of this so they don't think its happening. The job is to sell the clothes. Yes your pics may sell them but who do you think is selling to the client on the floor? The 16 year old Vogue model or the £2k a day Agency model? Or someone they grab off the street? No they are using journeymen models. It is YOUR choice whether you use us or not those who are wise do. All models can learn from Art models or studying Art and Fashion and the good ones do. In fact I think some of the top editorial models are a bit one dimensional; little expression or pose ability but then again that kind of modelling is completely different - it is about that unquantifiable 'look'. But they would be lost without a good photographer, stylist, lots of direction. Most hobby photographers haven't got that; most busy pros or semi pros can't as you rightly say have a model who flops and is stiff on the day. Your travelling model was stiff? what kind of pro model is stiff? Who is talking about using duckfaces? I am talking about using girls who know how to model rather than try to coach someone who doesn't.
Mon Sep 5 15:51 2011 in reply to Tony Lawrence
Dissatisfaction to the contribution made to models in General Industry
hello, i have modeled for about a year now. I just moved from the caribbean after living for 5 yrs and i am currently living in texas. i intend to do some upcoming shows and none of them are paying. The purpose of a model is to bring a designer's vision to life. IT IS A JOB! Its disheartening to know models do not receive compensation for what they do in the fashion world. Without models the vision of designers and photographers alike would be lifeless and dull, in which mannequins would probably be used. AND I BET THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY MONEY TO USE THEM. People must understand it takes money to get to casting calls and shows, it takes money to keep our wardrobe up to par, it takes money to keep our hair and skin in good condition and PLEASE LET US NOT FORGET THE ENDLESS ARRAY OF SHOES WE MUST BUY TO KEEP "THE LOOK" IN SYNC. Coming out of the Caribbean, fashion is slowly on the rise and designers and show operators are willing to pay models for the TIME they put in to ENTERTAIN THE PUBLIC. It is time for AMERICA to do the same. When it comes to money AMERICA is always the last the catch on. i can understand a charity event or you are launching you're very first line. i am all for a good cause, but when you know you just bagging the money for yourself. THAT IS JUST SELFISH AND IMMORAL. We must all learn to act professional and rational. And please this whole thing about EXPOSURE, it is getting old. Hey, if it is up to the model not to get paid well good for her. If models need photographers to get EXPOSURE, well they should pay the photographer. (funny how that works huh) Photographers want to update their portfolio, they want free models. Models want their portfolio updated they must pay. AND THAT SHOULD NOT BE! People are starting to take advantage of this EXPOSURE THING, and models have fallen into this scheme. I don't know which model falls into the "models are stupid and lack education" stigma, but i am not apart of them. Even though i am 18, i am well educated, and have a VOICE. I love to model and thats why i do it, but if you are talented i believe you deserve something more than a thank you and i'll cast you into my next show (which i am not paying you). Models are more than just this thing that walks in heels. We are the employees of designers, photographers and muas. It's understandable when you as the artist know you are not "cash" benefiting from a project, but when and if you are, YOU must step up to the plate and literally PAY homage to those who you NEEDED to make it all possible. thank you and have a blessed day
Sun Sep 4 23:31 2011
Need advice on tour-planning in General Industry
You're very fortunate to have two very extraordinary models who've already posted on your thread with advice. LauraUnbound has an excellent rep and MK probably spends more time on the road than at "home". Anything they say is golden, it's advice they've learned the hard way and both are well networked in the traveling model community so it probably reflects experiences they've heard from others too. I, am not a model nor do I play one on TV. However, here are my tips as a former vagabond photojournalist and in my multiple conversations with traveling models: 1. Start with baby steps. MadameKitty and others make it look easy. It's not. Start with a 2-3-4 day trip to a major city that you have ties with (maybe a former college roommate, a cousin--someone you can stay with). You want to eliminate some of the details you'd normally have to worry about. B/c you want to discover if you like sleeping on sofas, living out of a backpack, eating bananas as a big part of your diet and relying on your phone for your internet/news/schedule (and the need to keep it charged and up or turned off at all the appropriate times). If you can manage a 2-4 day trip in a friendly city and not go insane than the possibility of visiting a less pedestrian-friendly place with all strangers for a week is more do-able. 2. Travel light and flexibly. I've seen some traveling models go on 1-2 month trips and they have a backpack and a shoulder bag. That's all their clothes for the trip, makeup, lingerie, toiletries, essential business items (phone, charger, laptop), sanity material (music or book or magazine or painting kit or camera), tampons, medicine, jacket, modeling props, and some food. And it's all light enough to carry for a mile. 3. Schedule so you have minimal expenses. Rather than book a lot of paid shoots and stay in a hotel and buy your own tickets, it's better to trade for lodging and airfare/busfare. One traveling model told me of a trip to LA, she had 8 paid shoots booked and 7 of them canceled. She ended up having to call her parents to have them wire money so she could get home. There will always be cancelations--even if photographers are reliable. You'll sprain an ankle, directions will get confused, the subway will be on-strike, it will rain, your flight will get delayed, you'll get sick, the photographer will get sick. Plan your trips so you end up spending as little money as possible. 4. If you can make connections so you get in a workshop, that's a win-win. First, workshops can be tiring but also decent money. Second, it gives you exposure (which can lead to more business in the area). Third, workshops can cancel but usually you have lots of lead time if it's a reputable...they usually have this down to a science and will have a decision date a couple of weeks (or even a month or so) out. Which allows you to decide of the trip is going to happen or not. 5. Other models who are local are your friend, not your competition. You'd be surprised how many models are willing to provide housing with vagabond models who are visiting their town. Or they're interested in doing a tandem shoot and are just looking for another model (i.e.: you) that also gives you a paying gig. Or they also shoot and will trade you sleeping space and meals for some of your posing time. Or they'll offer advice about what photographers they like working with and which ones they stay away from. 6. There are lots of business models for a traveling gig. There are a couple of models who rent a car and then travel in an area (one I know of did NC, Va, DC, MD, Pennsylvania on one trip). Obviously that's more expense but then you've got wheels AND have a bigger market (but scheduling is a bigger issue). I don't know your rates but I personally think it's better to offer people a discount for a 1/2 day or full day shoot. Think of it this way: if you charge by the hour (and you're in a strange area without wheels) you can do a 2 hour shoot with photographer A, a 3 hour shoot with photographer B and a 2 hour shoot with photographer C....with scrambling for cabs and metro as you travel around the area (b/c you'll mostly be going to them). Or you can book with one photographer for less money but spend less cab/train money, be less hectic (which over a couple of weeks of travel would affect your sanity I think), and focus more on the modeling and less on the "getting from A to B" and worrying that if you're late it will affect your reputation or a photographer may figure you're flaking and drive off. That's my opinion anyway Best of luck! Ed
Thu Sep 1 04:30 2011 in reply to Raquel Rayne
Photographers: How Do You Afford to Pay Models? in Photography Talk
Watch this space, Read the copyright law, thiers a clue in that, a model must receive something either images or money, as a payment as both show that a model has been paid, Personally I will only pay a highly experienced model, someone I can describe what I want to shoot and the model understand and can turn the switch, to me if the model cant do that then to me she isnt professioanl enough for me to pay her, I have worked with some really great models both paid and TF, currently I feel I have judged it right, When I started out I needed experience so paying a model a £10 a hour and the charge for the studio yeah it hurt but it got me the images under control I needed, Now I feel well experienced and can pass my experience on so why should I pay simple now I still pay for getting the very best, their are still some models I want to work with, if I need to I pay for their tiem but I realise I need to save, so to me I will admit I might only sometimes shoot six to eight shoots ayear but then they will be great shoots I have been lucky as found a couple of models that when we work together is magic and results are really great so I have spoke with th models and offered a percentage split of money earnt from moeny made that way we both work hard to get really great images in the mean time the model get high quailty images, I get a great model without any delays as I know they will show up as we are both happy this is the cost of my experience in paying for models, I dont regret paying any model just at the same time like to get TF shoots as well. does depend on what you wanna take,
Thu Sep 1 03:04 2011 in reply to Shon D.- Femme
For the Photograpers... in General Industry
I don''t worry about paying clients much. Family, pets etc get away with a lot because I am taking their money. Sometimes things that would otherwise drive me nutsis tolerated because these people are giving me money. Dogs get away with even more because they are family. I normally shoot for the pleasure of photography. I absolutely love it so I do a lot of TF, so I am less likely to deal with cetains because I don't have to do it. A model, MUA etc gets one shot at correcting the term 'tog.' If they call me that in their initial contact, I will refer to myself as a photographer in my response. If their next message contains 'tog' I usually find that I am busy when they want to shoot. Another thing that is a deal breaker for me is netspeak. I am usually pretty easy to get along with but you must speak, understand and write at least one recognized language. "WTF my bf does not want me nifoc, Is that a prob?" Is not one of those languages. The other day I got a message from a model who wants to work with me. I looked at her profile before responding. It says in her profile that she will do nudes but she will not take her clothes off for free. I responded to her by saying I'd love to work with her but most of the concepts I have in mind require at least a little nudity and since I am not in a position to pay models, I will have to pass. She responded by saying she would waive the fee in order to work with me. I sent her four basic concepts I had in mind and said if she would do one of them, I will do on that a concept that she also wants to do. That way we both come away with something we want. She wrote back saying she was disappointed that all four of my ideas require nudity but she will take me up on the offer to just shoot the concept she has in mind. That shoot's not going to happen. Models have to read everything too. The people I look forward to working with are the models who have some ideas, but also the ones who hear one of my concepts and say "holy fu.....what if we...: Molels with ideas of their own, or ideas to improve one of my concepts steal my heart every time. I like models who are willing to talk stuff through. Three times now I've nudes with models who will never shoot nudes.Two who I'd shot with before, had asked if I had any concepts in mind that they could shoot 'this weekend.' In both cases I did but they required nudity. In both cases they asked what the concept was and when I told them, the wanted to, and did, shoot the photo. Recently I was working on a photo that didn't require a model but once I got the image finished I thought it would be spectacular with a nude model. Just so happened I was chatting with a model that evening. I showed her the image I'd just shot and explained how I did it and that I want to do it with a nude model. She said, "Shit... I'll be right back." She came back a minute later and said, "You're not doing that photo with anyone but me." I said, "You don't do nudes." She said, "I just talked to my husband likes you and trusts you. He said I can do whatever I want. I want to do that picture. I am going on vacation until September 3. Can we di it when I get back?" I like enthusiasm. Models never have to bring their own concepts to a shoot but if they do, thats awesome. If they come up with ideas to make my concepts better, so much the better. Models who have lists of favorite images on their profile page get my attention. Models who go out of their way to make the shoot better or more fun get cookies. Its great when a model is absolutely beautiful but physical beauty takes second place to enthusiasm and model-smarts. A real message gets my attention. An "Interested" emails does not.
Sun Aug 28 06:01 2011 in reply to Jennifer Kate
Photographs for applying to agencies in Model Colloquy
The answer is there is no "one size fits all" answer. And for clarity I think we can limit the discussion to a new model being presented to a fashion agency. I think we all agree that a commercial agency expects a model to bring in a more complete set of tools (pictures, comp cards, etc.) even when they are getting started. As Jean said, 16, 5'10, mamma wants to take you to the doctor thin, so stunning your face will launch a thousand ships (and with a very strong personality that you can easily project)? Front of the line, but you're still going to get immediately tested by agency recommended photographers. Potential models like this are actually very rare, but they do exist (it's possible that Jean has actually met one of these rare birds, ya think?) But I don't think that is where the OP was going with this discussion. What does a model who meets the basic agency standards (age, height, body proportions, and unique beauty) need when he/she goes in to visit with the new face division? As a photographer working with the model, what do you tell them? If you're Jean or Stefano, or any of a number of others posting in this string, sure, the agency will expect the model to have some images with them. If you've never placed a model with an agency before, don't have agency models using your image in their books, it's probably best to just go in with the model and let the agency do the digitals (Polaroids, whatever, we still say "dial the number" when no one still living has seen a dial phone). FYI, we tend to get all hung up on images, do you need them, do you not? (Well of course, we are photographers!). There are other things you can (and should) discuss with a prospective model before the agency visit to help prepare them for the interview. Remind them to have a simple bathing suit in their bag (often the agency wants to do at least a couple of the Polaroids in a swimsuit, shows the body and legs cleanly). Talk to them about talking, expressing their interest in working with the agency, smile, show some personality. And don't you talk when they ask the model a question, let the model know he/she is supposed to answer for themselves. Tell the model not to overdo the makeup, keep their skin clean so the agency can see their complexion. Ask them to dress neatly, don't overdo the clothes, and don't look like a tramp. It is after all, a job interview. And let them know before they go in that they may be asked to go to work immediately. They have to be prepared to live close to the agency, and they may have to travel to work and to go to other markets to get developed. A lot of people think they would like to be a fashion model, most are hardly prepared to make the absolute personal commitment required to be successful. So much has changed in the US which has made the agencies here less productive, too many clerks, not enough really sharp people at the agency level. Our culture has meant that more women expect to go to college (a really good thing), but that also means that fewer Americans are actually candidates for fashion modeling. The girls coming out of Europe and South America dominate the business now, they come to the (American) agencies fully developed in their local markets (local as in Paris, Milan, London, Sao Paulo, etc.). This means the big fashion agencies here (US) aren’t as strong doing new face development as they were in the past (my opinion). I think this is the reference frame Jean Renard has when he talks about a new (American) model needing more tools before they get signed. Different markets, different countries, different requirements to solve the problem. It’s a little like the blind guys trying to describe an elephant. It certainly depends on what end your at! I really do talk too much. Still, this is a discussion worth having. John -- John Fisher 900 West Avenue, Suite 633 Miami Beach, Florida 33139 305 534-9322 http://www.johnfisher.com
Fri Aug 26 20:14 2011 in reply to Fashion Photographer
Updated Attending list Photographers: Andrew Daughtry • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/drusport • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/andrew.daughtry • Zivity link www.zivity.com/photographers/Dr_U Sean Michael Russell • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/smrussell • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000070601053 Krissie Jacobsen • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/KrizieJ • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/KrizieJ Quantum Celebrations (Mark Smithers) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/quantumcelebrations • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1444608919 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/pages/Quantum-C … 9742356292 • Website http://www.quantumcelebrations.com/ Jeremi Blurton • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/262662 • Facebook link www.facebook.com/JeremiPhoto • Website link www.jeremiblurton.com • Email link firstname.lastname@example.org • Phone number 937.505.0522 Anthony Redell • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1066716 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/HeavenlyLightProductions?ref=pb Models: Krissie Jacobsen (female) • Model Mayhem http://www.modelmayhem.com/KrissieJ • Facebook http://www.facebook.com/KrizieJ Dakotah Wilkins (Female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/2310690 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/dakotahw1 • Email email@example.com • Phone number 937 626 9173 Stephanie Smithers (Female) • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= … mp;sk=wall Chris Dull (Male) • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000224192753 Rocky Doll (Male) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/rockydoll • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/rockydoll • Email firstname.lastname@example.org Kayla A-Lisa Roland (Female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1246495 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/KaylaALisa • Facebook Fan Page http://www.facebook.com/ACTRESS.MODEL.SINGER Ricci Fritsch (Female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1829986 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/gingerkitty0304 Make-Up Artists and Hair Stylists Melinda Henry (Make-Up) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1666953 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1079464251 Dana Marie Garcia • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= … mp;sk=info Pot Luck Lunch Items Krissie and Doug – We will be bringing bottled water and providing a grill Kayla A-Lisa Roland – green bean casserole If you do not see your name or someone elses name on this list, it is because they have not: A: Signed up and paid Or B: Notified me in what capacity they will be attending the shoot (model, photographer, MUA etc) Or C: Given me any kind of contact information
Sun Aug 21 09:56 2011
Touching the Models in Model Colloquy
Be more informed!! There is a problem in modeling, especially photo shoots, sexual harassment… Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination. From the other hand, it relates to any mental, emotional or physical pain resulted by disagreeable sexual advancement, requests for sexual favor, sexual comments or any form of verbal and/or physical sexual activity that hurts the personality or integrity. Sexual harassment/ violence in a workplace/ home are not normal but common. Her exposure to the world as individual personality has initiated her to earn her own identity. She likes to live her own and expects right to get respect. Gary W. Charpentier, the author of the article “Sexual Harassment in Modeling” says that many photographers “have had to take classes in the prevention of sexual harassment at their place of employment.” The author substantiates and delivers a strong message to all potentially involved in sexual harassment in modeling, especially photographs and promoters: “It you want to engage in behaviors that are potentially harassing, please don't do it at a photo shoot…. Take yourself into a strip club or nude bar and do your hooting, hollering, cat whistles, ogles, and other things. At least there the women expect it, and are hopefully being paid enough to put up with it… Photographers, please wake up! She is a model. Nothing more, nothing less. Treat her professionally and you will get some great photos. Keep your solicitations to yourself. Keep your hands off her.” The article was written as far back as in 1994, but today Charpentier’s seems to have been formulated just now: “photographers, the shoots are not a boys' club environment, where the girls are there for your pleasure. They are models, many of them professional quality. Treat them as professional models. Show them courtesy and respect. They appreciate it and it will show in your pictures….” Whereas most of materials on the subject have traditionally been devoted to protection of women against sexual harrassment, the article “How to avoid sexual harassment from gay agents” at http://www.campusmen.com/male-modeling/ … s-sex.html contains a kind of respective instructions for prospective male models/. The message and advice, in brief, is as follows. “Play It Smart by Keeping Quiet” - Simply make intelligent choices that help your career. After you become an established male model, always leave an agent whose priority is sex. “Don't Respond to Sexual Comments” - Often the agent's first step toward seducing a guy is to start making flirtatious comments. It's best to politely avoid these discussions from the start. “Don't Fail the Test. Avoid the Test!” - Don't make him think he has a chance. Get Reliable Info from Established male models. “Don't Be Homophobic” If you are still interested in becoming a male model, now you know some valuable theories that you can use to protect yourself and further your career. If the idea of working with unethical agents is too much for you, consider the time you save by choosing another career. Still, with some diligent street smarts, you can be successful and avoid being sexually harassed. Also, male models are advised to attend a party at an agent's home with another male model, or a group of friends; never make anti-gay statements to an agent or to other male models, never discuss the subject; never assume other male models you meet are straight; Never accuse an agent of being unscrupulous; avoid becoming close to an agent and discussing your personal life with an agent; Never discuss what you do in bed. The above set of instructions and advice can be useful for both female and male models.
Sat Aug 20 23:23 2011 in reply to Art of the nude
Not Allowing Escort -- Unprofessional? in Model Colloquy
Dude...you are 6'3", and MALE. Aside from your absurd reasoning, and lack of experience and perspective, it absolutely astounds me that YOU would feel the need for an escort. Ahh...more fearmongering from a new model that has a bad case of Mean World Syndrome. The media has this effect on most new people that try to enter this business. They watch too much Dateline NBC and CSI, and think that's the real world. From 1990 to 1998, the murder rate went down 20 percent in America. On TV news it went up 600 percent. Turn off your television, and do some research on this topic. A TON of other models? I'm not sure where these TONS of models are hiding. The only models that TONS of US see that insist on escorts are new models on MM escort threads. Murdered at a photo shoot? WOW...extreme fearmongering at it's finest. In the last 30 years in the US and Canada, less than half a dozen models were murdered at shoots by legit photographers (legit meaning having references, legit credentials). Several more were murdered by men POSING as photographers. In these situations, a simple reference check would have saved these models lives. More models were killed by their husbands/boyfriends/ex-boyfriends than were ever killed by photographers. You literally stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning or getting killed in a car accident on the way to a shoot than being killed by a photographer if sensible safety precautions and due diligence is employed. Speaking of risk, since your escort is a complete stranger to the photographer, why should he take THAT risk? Is your safety more important than his? And models that insist on escorts is how many of us filter out the models that aren't worth the time and trouble, when we can replace you with any number of the vast majority of models that can do their job without bodyguards. Photographers that do not allow escorts are often accused of having an "absolute" policy. I hope they are reading this. The reasons that you give ARE silly. Photographers that do not allow escorts generally have much stronger safety and liability concerns. A photographer will refuse an escort for many legit reasons that are not so silly: 1. Photographers that shoot in studios have insurance. Some of these policies do not cover people that are not directly involved in the shoot. Therefore, if he/she trips over a lightstand, breaks something, or hurts himself, the photographer could be sued, or the equipment would not be covered. In the cases where studio insurancs DOES cover "bodyguards", many photographers feel that the less people hanging around the studio/shooting area that are not directly involved in the shoot, the less potential of injury/property damage incurred, and less claims they have to file. 2. Your escort is a complete stranger to the photographer. The photographer has no idea what type of temperament or disposition that your escort has. There have been photographers that have been assaulted/robbed/battered by escorts. 3. Who is watching your escort while I'm shooting with you? He could be helping himself to my expensive gear while I'm busy with you. Many photographers have had things "disappear" while shooting escorted models. 4. In many situations, the model is incapable of getting into "model mode" with an escort present, especially boyfriends or husbands. They tend to get distracted, and it shows up in the quality of the images. 5. If her escort gets sick/gets called into work/has car problems/is hungover/has family issues...etc...the shoot is OFF. When you shoot an escorted model, you have just DOUBLED the risk of the model flaking and/or canceling. Those are just a few reasons. There are more.
Wed Aug 17 00:17 2011 in reply to James
PotD18+ Discussion Thread in Contests
Perhaps the following excerpts from an article titled:"How To Make Your Penis Bigger For Nude Photos" found on Campusmen.com will help them: Penis Size It is common for men to use tactics to make their penis bigger when posing for Playgirl style photos. Penises appear larger than normal by making the model's penis partially erect while posing... A fluffer's goal is to keep the male model's penis erect so the model can maintain his pose. This saves time because the model avoids needing to stop posing to stroke his penis. Fluffers also avoid the need for the model to reposition his body each time he moves when getting his penis hard... How Enlargement Works: A penis appears larger than normal when partially filled with blood. The male model strokes his penis until he has a full erection. The model stops stroking and the photographer waits for the model's penis to drop down as it begins to deflate. Once the penis drops down, the photographer begins shooting photos. Although the male model starts by obtaining the fullest erection possible, his penis will not appear erect in the photographs because the photographer snaps photos after the model's penis drops down, but is still enlarged. Shots should be created after the penis points downward because photos that show the model's penis pointing upward seldom look good. The goal is to achieve a semi-hard penis for a long period of time. The photographer stops each time the model's penis becomes completely soft. Then the model makes his penis fully erect again. During a three hour photo shoot, a model may get an erection dozens of times.
Sun Aug 14 08:27 2011 in reply to AntVik Photography
This is the Official/Un-Official attending list do to the fact that I'm still waiting for responses from some people and not everyone has paid yet. Photographers: Andrew Daughtry • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/drusport • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/andrew.daughtry • Zivity link www.zivity.com/photographers/Dr_U Sean Michael Russell • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/smrussell • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000070601053 Krissie Jacobsen • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/KrizieJ • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/KrizieJ Quantum Celebrations (Mark Smithers) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/quantumcelebrations • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1444608919 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/pages/Quantum-C … 9742356292 • Website http://www.quantumcelebrations.com/ Matt Fiora • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1041846 Anthony Hereld • Facebook link www.facebook.com/Anthony.Hereld.Photography • Website link www.anthonyhereld.com • Phone number 937-710-2065 Jeremi Blurton • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/262662 • Facebook link www.facebook.com/JeremiPhoto • Website link www.jeremiblurton.com • Email link email@example.com • Phone number 937.505.0522 Models: Krissie Jacobsen (female) • Model Mayhem http://www.modelmayhem.com/KrissieJ • Facebook http://www.facebook.com/KrizieJ Angel Anne (Female) • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/ModelAngelAnn • DeviantArt link http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&s … =angelanne Cecelia Rice (female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/ceceliac • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/ceceliac119 Denae Garcia (Female age 15) ** Guardian will present at all times** • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1534776995 • Email Surfercaligirl18@aol.com • Phone number (859)-991-4677 my cell (859)-360-4041 my mom/ escort Dakotah Wilkins (Female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/2310690 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/dakotahw1 • Email firstname.lastname@example.org • Phone number 937 626 9173 Stephanie Smithers (Female) • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= … mp;sk=wall Chris Dull (Male) ** New to modeling** • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000224192753 Curtis Grove (Male) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/2263067 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/JiggsvsCurtis • Email email@example.com Rocky Doll (Male) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/rockydoll • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/rockydoll • Email firstname.lastname@example.org Make-Up Artists and Hair Stylists Melinda Henry (Make-Up) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1666953 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1079464251 Dana Marie Garcia • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= … mp;sk=info Pot Luck Lunch Items Krissie and Doug – We will be bringing bottled water and providing a grill If you do not see your name or someone elses name on this list, it is because they have not: A: Signed up and paid Or B: Notified me in what capacity they will be attending the shoot (model, photographer, MUA etc) Or C: Given me any kind of contact information
Sat Aug 13 21:30 2011
BOB ELVIN IS BACK WITH A NEW SERIES OF WORKSHOPS FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS OF ALL LEVELS Bob Elvin is a photographer, director and videographer. He has taught photography for many, many years at universities, through the city and here at Group Photo Shoots. You can read all of the details of this event by: CLICK HERE to read Bob's biography. He is an impressive individual. This will be a series of five workshops, running every other week. You can take any individual lesson or attend the entire series. There are no pre-requesites and these classes are open to photographers of all levels. The material will be scaled to the experience of the photographers who attend. YOU CAN GET FULL DETAILS ON ALL THE CLASSES BY: CLICKING HERE. LESSON ONE - 8/20/11 - is on Studio Tools and Macro Photography. In this lesson Bob will help you achieve the basic skills you will need to work in a studio on your own, plus explain the basics of macro photography. Don't worry if you don't have a macro lens. Bob will bring one, along with a camera body, you can practice with. This class will teach you: The basics of studio photography The benefits of pack lighting over mono-lights When are mono-lights the better choice? When to use a softbox, an umbrella or other modifier? What is the most essential grip equipment to work in the studio? How do I make the shot work with the gear that I have? How do I develop confidence to do it myself? What is macro photography? What does it mean to say that the lens is "one to one?" Why is macro photography important? LESSON TWO - 9/3/11 - Backgrounds and Green Screens Lesson two is a comprehensive discussion on the use of backdrops and green screens. Bob will go into detail on the selection of background colors, textures and finishes. You will learn the secrets in making use of a green screen. Above all, you will get a clear feel for the artistic decisions which go into selecting the correct background for the subject. This class will teach you: The effects of color How does texture change your statement? Considerations for white balance when selecting a background Making meaningful decisions on the finish of the background material Understanding "White" and the reason there is more than one shade of white When to pick cloth and when to pick paper Understanding green screens Factoring green screen limitations into your shot When is a green screen the right background? When should green screen be avoided? LESSON THREE - 9/17/11 - Lighting Control Lesson three deals with one of the fundumentals of photography, lighting control. When working outdoors, at least in part, your statement is dictated by then environment you are shooting in. When working in the studio, you are the director. The purpose of this class is to help you take command of the set, meaning that you become the master of the lighting, rather than reacting and merely selecting exposure and white balance. Bob will give you a genuine feel for lighting techniques and tactics so you control the light as opposed to reacting to it. This class will teach you: Standard lighting setups The differences between forms of modifiers How to select the size and shpa fo the soft box or modifier How to flag a light to control dispersal When to use a grid, snoot or bard door to attain light control Controlling dropoff and power Coping with temperature variations due to environmental conditions Combining light sources LESSON FOUR - 10/1/11 - Portraiture / Working with Props Lesson four is all about portraits and props. It will start by teaching you the essentials of portrait photography. You'll learn about lighting, poses and more. It will expand to bring in the greatest variable, props. This is all about shooting portraits like the masters. This class will teach you: Standard lighting setups for portraits When to bring in the hair light Understanding the triangle How do you use a beauty dish effectively? When do you use a beauty dish and when do you use a softbox? Selecting softbox size for portraits How do you select a prop for a portrait? When are props appropriate? How do you avoid white balance contamination? Making the geometry of the prop work Common mistakes when using props LESSON FIVE - 10/15/11 - Bodyscapes / Creating Fine Art Lesson five concludes this series. In Lesson five you will learn to take the skills taught in the first four classes and produce fine art with a figure model. The goal of this class is to let you develop the eye to distinguish fine art from other forms of photography. The subject matter will fall back to the very basic, using the human form to create visually impressibe landscapes. Through the use of geometry and creative lighting, you will advance your skills as a fine art photographer. This class will teach you: Using light to create emotion Visualizing your statement Making the unexpected a part of your work Challenging your creative boundaries Using the pose to make the statement Using light to control the point of interest Keeping your shot fine art rather than commercial or glamour Learning to be critical, yet appreciative of your work Controlling the statement through exposure Using over-exposure and under exposure as an element of your art Lessons one through three are taught without a model. Lesson four has a model for portraits and lesson five has a figure model. YOU MAY ATTEND ANY INDIVIDUAL CLASS OR TAKE THEM ALL. THE ENTIRE SERIES OF FIVE SESSIONS IS PRICED AT $300 FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR $250 FOR MEMBERS OF THE PHOTO STUDIO CLUB YOU MUST REGISTER IN ADVANCE TO GET THE FULL SERIES PRICING PRICES FOR THE INDIVIDUAL CLASSES VARY FROM $60-$90 PER CLASS, DEPENDING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE CLASS FEATURES A MODEL. MEMBERS OF THE PHOTO STUDIO CLUB ALWAYS GET A DISCOUNT. CLICK HERETO GET FULL INFORMATION ON THE PRICING FOR EACH EVENT Visit the Photo Studio Club to get more information about the club. [img]http://photostudioclub.com/images/logo1.jpg[/img] www.photostudioclub.com TO PAY BY PAYPAL SEND YOUR PAYMENT TO INFO@GROUPPHOTOSHOOTS.COM OR YOU MAY CALL THE STUDIO TO MAKE A DIRECT PAYMENT BY CREDIT CARD. THIS EVENT STARTS AT 10:30AM GROUP PHOTO SHOOTS STUDIO B 340 BRYANT STREET, SUITE 330 SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94107 415-601-5475 Please enter the building through the open roll-up door to your far left. You will register at the table outside Studio A and will then go upstairs for your class After the class, you can join us downstairs at Studio A for lunch and to meet other members of our group. Your lunch is included in the price. While you are participating in the class upstairs, an entirely different group of photographers will be involved in a group shoot downstairs in Studio A. Lunch is a good time to get to know ohter photographers, meet models and enjoy the day. After lunch, you are welcome to remain to hire and shoot the models who were involved in the morning session in Studio A. After all of our weekend events, we keep both of our studios open until 7:00PM, to allow the photographers there to hire and shoot the models who attended that day. We call these "Private Shoots" and are your opportunity to work, one on one, with the models who are there. To shoot with a model, you simply sign up on the computer in Studio A, selecting the model you would like to work with and the length of time you want to shoot. The cost of the shoots are not included, but the models have very reasonable pricing. The minimum time to shoot with a model is just thirty minutes. If you decide you would like to work with a model, Bob will be around for a while to help you set up and work in the studio. You will get a good chance to practice your skills with a live model. YOU ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO HIRE A MODEL IT IS JUST AN ADDTIONAL SERVICE WE PROVIDE!
Thu Aug 11 10:32 2011
escorts in Model Colloquy
I've seen ALL the statistics, and...again, no one is "shooting down" that statistic. The statistic is irrelevant. This topic is not about the TOTALITY of women getting raped. That is a completely different issue. This topic is about female models that employ sensible safety precautions and due diligence, and the subject of escorts, and how they relate to model safety. There is no evidence to suggest that escorts make a model safer, and there is historical precedent that models that have brought escorts were STILL subjected to inappropriate behavior. Here are 2 cases where the models brought escorts, and were STILL raped: http://articles.latimes.com/1996-01-05/ … hotographs http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … odels.html Here are two more models that brought escorts, and were STILL groped: http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/policer … 015770.php http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … &page= Here, the model's husband was present, and the model STILL was groped: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Well, you fit right into the demographic of a "model" that insists on an escort. You have a MM profile that is 2 days old, and it looks like you have done 1 shoot with 1 photographer. It doesn't surprise me that you have a bad case of Mean World Syndrome. You don't have the experience to know any better. Actually, there are PLENTY of legit reasons that a photographer would not allow an escort. 1. Photographers that shoot in studios have insurance. Some of these policies do not cover people that are not directly involved in the shoot. Therefore, if he/she trips over a lightstand, breaks something, or hurts himself, the photographer could be sued, or the equipment would not be covered. In the cases where studio insurancs DOES cover "bodyguards", many photographers feel that the less people hanging around the studio/shooting area that are not directly involved in the shoot, the less potential of injury/property damage incurred, and less claims they have to file. 2. Your escort is a complete stranger to the photographer. The photographer has no idea what type of temperament or disposition that your escort has. There have been photographers that have been assaulted/robbed/battered by escorts. 3. Who is watching your escort while I'm shooting with you? He could be helping himself to my expensive gear while I'm busy with you. Many photographers have had things "disappear" while shooting escorted models. 4. In many situations, the model is incapable of getting into "model mode" with an escort present, especially boyfriends or husbands. They tend to get distracted, and it shows up in the quality of the images. 5. If her escort gets sick/gets called into work/has car problems/is hungover/has family issues...etc...the shoot is OFF. When you shoot an escorted model, you have just DOUBLED the risk of the model flaking and/or canceling. Those are just a few reasons. There are more.
Thu Aug 11 03:05 2011 in reply to Alabaster Crowley
Learning to direct models in General Industry
How you direct models is central to the development of your own style. We can give you suggestions, but at its heart, each suggestion is merely what works for each of us, and the suggestion may or may not be appropriate / valid for you. So, my generic suggestion: practice, practice, practice! And while you are practicing, keep trying new ideas & evaluating how well each idea works. My specific suggestions: (In no particular order) >>> I think new photographers should work with experienced models (and yes, that sometimes means paying them). Experienced models are often self-starters, and they can move & pose without much direction if need be. They can also give you feedback from the model's perspective. Experienced / skilled models are great. >>> Something I do (which few other photographers do): I take a moment at the beginning of each setup to complete all my technical decisions. I put the camera on a tripod, I set the white balance, I figure out the exposure settings, I think about composition, I adjust the lights & background, etc. Then I step away from behind the camera, hold the cable release, and focus my eyes on the model. I'm purely interacting with the model from that point forward, and I'm not distracted by needing to pay attention to my camera. >>> I tend to give the model general direction before we start. Then, during the exposure-making time, we are talking about lots of stuff. I like engaging the model's brain, because I hate the tons of empty-headed stares we often see. Sometimes, I give the model feedback, I tell her what I see & what I want to see, and I encourage her, but we could also be talking about our other hobbies or whether we like to cook or our favorite recent movies or whatever. Keep things moving. >>> Sometimes, I can be very specific, as in "please raise your chin an inch", but sometimes I give the model a problem to solve, as in "let's see more movement". Again, I like engaging the model's brains. >>> Most models know how to present themselves well, so allow them some freedom to show you. >>> I'm one of those photographers who don't like it when a model poses; I prefer to have them move and/or react. Good luck.
Sun Aug 7 11:07 2011 in reply to Eralar
Why Nude? in Model Colloquy
So you're a REAL model then? So according to you: REAL models are fake REAL models are about clothes not themselves... REAL models don't know what they want.... REAL models are repressed... REAL models don't use their body to make ART REAL models lie about their looks REAL models need to hide behind fabric REAL models care (probably too much) about what others may think... REAL models are not confident REAL models carry labels REAL models don't work with their minds to express with their bodies REAL models are stupid REAL models SUCK Brilliant. I can find a few REAL models that would be rather insulted by your assertion. Sorry, I know it's feeding the twit troll, but I couldn't resist.
Thu Aug 4 20:16 2011 in reply to Valkyrur
COME JOIN US FOR FOUR DAYS AND FOUR NIGHTS OF SHOOTING AND CRUSING FUN ... WE'RE OFF TO MEXICO! THIS EVENT IS ONLY $450 PLUS THE COST OF YOUR ONBOARD CABIN! We are off to sea on the Carnival Paradise for four days and four nights of nothing but fun! [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Carnival_Paradise_20100216.JPG/800px-Carnival_Paradise_20100216.JPG[/img] We've done all kinds of adventures ... this time we're off to Mexico on a cruise ship. We're departing from Long Beach, California on Septmerber 26th. We'll have two ports of call, Catalina Island and Ensenada, Mexico. We're going to have a great cruise, as a group, plus ... we're also going to be shooting onboard the ship and at all of our destinations. Onboard the ship, you will be able to shoot almost anywhere you want, although public nudity won't be allowed. We'll also have our own, deluxe suite where we'll be able to shoot nudes. We'll have a balcony, a whirlpool, a king-sized bed and a lot more. I'll bring the lights. On most of these cruises, the promoters expect the models to pay their own way. That limits your shooting because the models are there on their own. The reason for your tuition to this event is so that we can pick up the expenses for the models. The studio isn't charging a fee. The models are coming to shoot and will shoot often! On Catalina, we intend to rent vans to take us to some great shooting locations. In Ensenada, our plan is to charter taxicabs to take us to some great, secluded beaches. The shooting will be a lot of fun. Carnival is arranging for us to be seated together for our meals and organized shipboard activities. Onboard, there is nightly entertainment, more food than you could possibly eat and activities througout the day. When you aren't shooting you are free to partake in any activities onboard the ship. We plan this event to have a 2:1 photographer to model ratio. Initially we'll have six photographers and three models. As we get more photographers, we'll add models. We can easily accomodate up to five models and ten photographers. It is even possible to handle more. The price for this event is $450. That DOES NOT include the cost of your cabin on the ship or transportaiton to Long Beach. Cabins on the ship start at $319 per person for an inside cabin or $379 for an outside cabin. Right now, Carnival has a special price of $419 for an outside cabin on the same deck as the suite we will be shooting in. All cabins are double occupancy. You will be able to pick your own roommate. Cabins for single occupancy are available, but they are substantially more expensive. Other than your cabin, the only other expenses you will incur is transportation to Long Beach, your share of cab/vans for shore shooting and your bar tab on the ship. All meals and entertainment onboard are included in the price. MODELS Fallon [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110508/06/4dc698d249d22.jpg[/img] Bree Paige [img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/crzygrly04/DSC_6085.jpg[/img] Kat [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110201/01/4d47cf47035ff.jpg[/img] We will add models as more photographers sign up! We currently have six photographers and expect more. A NUDE PROMOTIONAL RELEASE IS INCLUDED FOR ALL MODELS EXCEPT FOR KAT WHO WILL SIGN A NON-NUDE RELEASE A FULL COMMERCIAL RELEASE FOR THE ENTIRE CRUISE IS JUST $50 PER MODEL You are responsible for making your own travel arrangements to Long Beach. Air travel and transfers are available through Carnival Cruises. Parking is available at the Carnival Cruise terminal. All models are available for private booking, but private bookings are not required. The models are being compensated for the shoot by our payment for their cruise. No passport is required, but you do have to bring a birth certificate with an original seal. This event is open to all photographers. NOTE: There will be one special shoot set aside for members of the photo studio club! Click the banner below for more information on the club: Have you joined yet? [img]http://photostudioclub.com/images/logo1.jpg[/img] www.photostudioclub.com YOUR $450 REGISTRATION FEE IS DUE IMMEDIATELY ON JULY 23RD, THE REGISTRATION FEE WILL INCREASE TO $550 ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, THE REGISTRATION FEE WILL INCREASE TO $600 Cabin Reservations will be made directly with Carnival through our dedicated representative. W e will provide you with his telephone number upon registration. You will need to pick your own cabinmate. You can reserve a cabin onboard at anytime. It is first come, first served. You can reserve with Carnival now for a deposit of only $150. Full payment isn't due until July 29th. If you reserve after July 29th, payment in full will be required with your reservation. WE WILL PROVIDE A LIST OF ALL REGISTERED PHOTOGRAPHERS SO YOU CAN SELECT A ROOMMATE YOU MAY PAY THE $450 REGISTRATION BY PAYPAL OR BY CREDIT CARD. TO USE PAYPAL, SEND YOUR RESERVATION AND PAYMENT TO: INFO@GROUPPHOTOSHOOTS.COM IF YOU PREFER NOT TO USE PAYPAL, YOU MAY USE A CREDIT CARD BY CALLING 415-601-5475 You can read all of the details of this event by: CLICKING HERE.
Mon Jul 18 12:59 2011
Due to some difficulties lately, we've decided to use Russell's mansion in Beverly Hills again for our July 30th event. This is the same location we used for our June 18th event. This is a 35 photographer limit! Due to the request of the owner, Drew and I will have to limit how many people are inside the home at one given time. Here are links to our previous events, some with behind the scene videos! • D&K Desert event June 25th Victorville, CA • D&K Mansion event June 18 Beverly Hills, CA • Drew & Karl Mansion event May 15 Beverly Hills, CA - video! • Drew and Karl HUGE Mansion Shoot April 23 Riverside, CA • Drew & Karl Bank Vault shoot Los Angeles CA March 20th • Drew & Karl Playboy models - Encino, CA Feb 27th • Drew & Karl group shoot in Tustin Ranch, CA December 4th & 5th - Video! • Drew & Karl Glamour shoot Sat Nov 20th, Norco, CA • Drew and Karl WNR shoot, Sun Oct 24 - Menifee, CA Here is a video! • Desert workshop/group shoot 9/25 Victorville, CAHere is a video! • Drew & Karl Mansion event Aug 15 Beverly Hills, CA Here is the video! • Drew & Karl Back 2 Back event July 17th Monrovia, CA Check out the video! • Drew & Karl, Summer Start Off, Monrovia, CA June 19 • Drew and Karl WNR shoot, Sun May 23 - Menifee, CA • Drew and Karl workshop/group shoot 4/25 Vista, CA • Drew and Karl group shoot, Sunday March 28, Riverside, CA • Drew and Karl TeaseUm shoot, Feb 27, Riverside, CA • Drew and Karl group shoot, Jan 30, Riverside, CA • Wooden Nickle Ranch, Sun Dec 6th - Menifee, CA • Desert workshop/group shoot Oct-24 Victorville, CA • Desert workshop/group shoot 9/27 Victorville, CA - Check out our very first video! For new photographers who want to attend our workshop • Learn to use lighting like the pros. • We're here to share our tips to beginning photographers. • Ever wonder how Drew and I light our models without the background being blown out on a sunny day? Speed lights not cutting it huh? We will give you hands on experience in using affordable and portable mono strobe lights and equipment. Try Before You Buy. • You'll be so impressed with your images after the event that you'll be ready to order the same lighting equipment we use. • I'll show you different light modifiers and their uses. Octobox, beauty dish and grids will be covered. I'll discuss the difference between the silver BD and white BD. Why i use the BD over an Octobox at the beach or desert. • Circular Polarizer(CP)and Neutral Density(ND) filters will be discussed and how it will improve your images when shooting outdoors or at the beach. I recommend Hoya brand. CP, ND4 • Once you attend our workshop, you'll be able to build up your port with beautiful models quickly. • Students can take the remainder of day to shoot models. Preperations for workshop: • To make use of the workshop, Pocket Wizards or Cyber Syncs are recommended. You can rent the PW's from Calumet or Samy's if needed. If you are in the market to purchase wireless transmitter i recommend purchasing the Cybersyns from Paul C. Buff. If the Pocket Wizards or Cyber Syncs are unavailable to rent, you may rent Pocket Wizards from Drew and I. Limited availability, don't assume we'll have enough PW's. • Students should have prior knowledge on how to adjust their camera in manual mode. You'll need to know how to adjust aperture, shutter speed and ISO. • I recommend you purchase a CP, ND or both that i listed above. Purchase the appropriate diameter for your lens. • Make sure D-lighting or similar camera feature is turned off! • If you have a 101 questions, please let us finish the workshop first then you may ask your questions after. Some photographers learn quicker than others so we can finish with them right away so they can jump right into shooting for the rest of the day. It typically takes 30-40 minutes to teach the workshop depending on the amount of students and answering basic questions. Don't care about the workshop? • For photographers who don't care about the workshop, they can shoot the available models for the group shoot portion. (Please note that the workshop will be using Channel 1 on the Pocket Wizards. On the CyberSyncs we'll reserve Channel 9 also, if needed) • Shoot beautiful models all day long. • Please be courteous, if you're going to set up your lighting equipment at a awesome location, to either share or move locations every 1/2 hour. Hire models after the event for 1 on 1 shoots at 1/2 hour increments Message the models and see if you can hire the model you want after the group event for 1 on 1 sessions. The 6 sessions are: 3:30pm-4pm 4:10pm-4:40pm 4:50pm-5:20pm 5:30pm-6pm 6:10pm-6:40pm 6:50pm-7:20pm Times are approximate, they will likely change to adjust for sunset shoot for last session. **************** Registration Information **************** When is this taking place and how can i reserve a spot? Date: Saturday July 30th Time: 11am to Sunset. The main event is from 11am to 3pm. 3pm-3:30pm is lunch. From 3:30pm-Sunset you are allowed to hire models for 1 on 1 sessions at 1/2 hour increments. The times here may change! Location: Beverly Hills, CA We'll email the address and information to you several days before the event. Photographer fee: • Workshop - $160 fee with $80 deposit. (For photographers who want to learn lighting using strobes. Group shoot included.) • Group shoot - $120 fee with $60 deposit for new photographers. (For photographers not interested in the workshop portion.) • Photographer Limit: Due to the mansions owners request, we are limited to 35 photographers. • Deposit is non-refundable! No exceptions! If you can't make it to the event on July 30th, your deposit will NOT go towards the next event! I repeat, your deposit will NOT go towards the next event! You will lose your deposit. • Remainder balance to be paid at meeting location. • Deposit payment by Paypal. Don't have Paypal? Get one or miss out! • Contact Drew Santos with your full name, phone number, and email address for payment instructions. Please be sure you message Drew on MM even though you paid the deposit through Paypal. That way he can keep track of attendies. For non MM members reading this, Drew's email is BMWM34DREW@aol.com. Be sure to tell him you do not have an MM account. • Model releases are not included. Cost of model release will depend on what the model charges. • Lunch and drinks will be provided. NO ESCORTS, HUSBAND, BOYFRIENDS, OF SOME SORT FOR BOTH MODELS AND PHOTOGRAPHERS! But if you absolutely need to bring someone, they will have to pay the $120 fee. Information here subject to change. Keep checking this post for updates...
Wed Jul 13 22:57 2011
How to become agency approved as a photographer? in General Industry
Agency models get their photos for their books from test shoots and from tear sheets. The photographer may or may not get paid for those test shoots, hence a paid test. New faces need the test shoots more than experienced models, and ironically the experienced models (who need them less) rarely have to pay for a test shoot because most good photographers would gladly do it unpaid. If you work with enough new faces, you start to understand why since they really aren't that good yet. The OP asked about "agency approved photographers", which are exactly as I stated. Photographers who have been put on the agency's list of recommended photographers. They have absolutely no affiliation with the agency or the agency is probably not legit. They may be on the list of more than one agency (if they are any good, they should be). For the sake of discussion, those who's sole earnings in the fashion world are from agency models are agency photographers even if they do not have direct ties to the agencies involved (nor should they). A great number of young photographers out of school or just getting over the self-taught amateur stage get their start by shooting agency models. That leads to access to models for editorial work on spec (which usually only end up in the photographer's book since it's very difficult to get a spec editorial published), which in turn leads to paid editorial and/or paid lookbook type jobs once the photographers book is getting seen. Those paid lookbook jobs may turn into larger jobs, etc., etc. A commercial photographer who shoots fashion for clients would never get those paid agency test jobs simply because the agency would not be recommending them. Of course they wouldn't turn them down, but since the models have never heard of them they will never get the call and my point was more that the photographer will spend their marketing efforts on commercial clients not agencies. The people the agency mentions and points to on the list are the most likely to get called and if not them it will be someone on MM that shoots for free. I don't know if or when you ever shot agency models on a testing basis, but it is very competitive these days, particularly with so many good photographers willing to shoot for free. With agencies its out of sight, out of mind and I speak from experience in that regard. They are like a high maintenance girlfriend. If I've been shooting agency models regularly, I get reasonably regular referrals. If I'm out of town and thus out of sight for an extended period of time (like a couple weeks to a month), then it usually takes some serious effort to get back to where I previously was simply because they have started recommending someone else in my absence (and I was never their number 1 recommendation, just cheaper than the number 1 guys). There are precious few paid tests in a small market and there are definitely a couple local favorites. The jobs that escape those local favorites are hard to get if you aren't one of the first names the bookers suggest. As for the career path, I know plenty who have gone through that path as I described. Not all, but many fashion photographers go through that path. At some point, the photographer gets busy enough with commercial clients that they become out of sight, out of mind and those paid agency tests go to the next up and coming photographer unless the photographer puts some serious effort in staying connected. Those commercial photographers will always be welcome to borrow a model for a personal test and occasionally do (I've know both models who have been in that situation with photographers that don't otherwise do test shoots and photographers who don't do them but occasionally just need a model). As for myself, I've done quite a fair bit of work with the agencies and have gone on to some of those larger jobs as well. They just typically have not been in fashion but tabletop lately. Either way, when I'm busy with work, I don't have time to network with bookers and those paid tests disappear until I go down and reintroduce myself to let them know I'm available. Anymore, I'm just as happy to either shoot with someone from MM who has enthusiasm and doesn't work with agencies (such as this profile) or borrow a model for personal work from an agency (as would be seen in my agency work profile). I no longer seek paid gigs from agencies, but I take them if they come (which is usually after shooting a personal project with one of their models). If I travel, I send my book ahead to an agency and borrow a model from them. Once you have a book of agency tests, it's pretty easy to get a model from an agency you haven't worked with, but you usually will get a new face.
Tue Jul 12 20:51 2011 in reply to DennisRoliffPhotography
Jealous boyfriends of models in General Industry
I don't have to be bestest buddies with my models -- we have a constructive, enjoyable, & friendly professional relationship, but in general, we don't form close friendships. What happens in her relationships is none of my business, and I generally don't waste my time dealing with (or even interacting with) the model's friends, SO's, family, acquaintances, etc. If any of these people have an opinion, they are encouraged to share it with the model & leave me out of it. Similarly, if someone wants a print of a model, I tell them to ask the model & let the model ask me. If someone wants the model's phone number or address, I ignore them. If someone wants to hire the model, I might be willing to forward a message to the model, but I don't give out the model's personal information. I had someone claiming to be a model's mother contact me asking permission to use an image I made with the model for a breast cancer benefit. I was polite & told her to get her daughter to make that request, because I didn't know her (the mother). Turns out, she really was the model's mother, and I think I earned karma points for protecting the model's identity from someone who was a stranger to me. Note: all my models are legally adult.
Tue Jul 12 11:40 2011 in reply to Aesthetic Photoworks
How are photographers supposed to afford models in General Industry
First may I say find it EXTREMELY offensive that you are comparing models to adult sex workers like escorts. Though you excuse yourself, I can only imagine you make the comparison in the first place to cause such offence. However, I will address you points. Firstly if you wish to make an image - or produce a garment and show it off well - in a professional way you will need a professional model to do that. Some photographers can catch a beautiful fleeting expression or something from an amateur model; a good documentary photographer can capture genuine expression from a real life scenario whether it be an Afghan girl or a moment of sports angst or ecstasy. BUT these are documentary. If you wish to create an image rather than record it, it is entirely different. It is similar to making a movie with actors or amateurs. Not everyone will have the budget to employ actors; but then they will find it difficult to produce something of quality. Unless again; it is documentary. So I feel what you are asking is akin to say why do film makers need to pay actors; and I feel I am having to explain the obvious. The market decides what people are paid be they actors or models. We don't 'aim' our skills and abilities at 'rich gentlemen' we show them in the marketplace and we get booked. A photographer aiming to produce a high quality image may be doing it for his own Art or may be doing it for a third party client, or with a publication in mind. Even if its for his own art presumably he will be selling it at a Gallery or again some publication. He owns the copyright and there is at the very least potential to sell it or develop his image making skills toward some professional outcome in the future. His best way of selling that image; or if it is a designer to sell the creation, is to use a professional model in that process. It is our job as a model to interpret your vision. I began as a Fine Art model. I studied models in artists images and sculpture from throughout art History; I studied gesture and pose also in dance and ballet, and in studied Fashion photography throughout the decades to come up with a repertoire of elegant and expressive poses. It obviously was worth something for me to be fully booked most weeks for two years. I am not a top model by any means but I am a journeyman model and like many here we are able to have a professional input into helping create an artists vision; whether they are a painter, a sculptor, a photographer, or a designer. I think we are as important a factor in that as a good photographer is in creating a beginning model's portfolio; and both here deserve renumeration for their work. Sometimes where there is mutual benfit then TF is an option; but that IS pay of sorts. That is how the business plan works. The artist (photographer, designer, painter, sculptor) has a vision. He/she employs a model to interpret it through pose, expression, gesture, style, or even promotion and because they are good at that something is created which can be sold or looks like it is worth paying for to a third party. That third party can be a gallery owner or customer; a publication, a client that buys a dress whatever. If you don't use a professional model your results may be limited. So paying a good model maximises your potential in the marketplace. No people can't always afford it; but in the end I don't think a professional photographer can afford not to at some point. A good model is as essential to your artistic vision as camera or paint or fabric and need as much investing in. Oh and btw; I have said it before and I will say it again. Photography is often only a small proportion of a professional model's paid work. We don't seem to have this issue from artists or designers or promotion companies where there is never a question of not being paid for our work.
Tue Jul 12 05:15 2011 in reply to R A V E N D R I V E