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Photographers: How Do You Afford to Pay Models? in Photography Talk
Watch this space, Read the copyright law, thiers a clue in that, a model must receive something either images or money, as a payment as both show that a model has been paid, Personally I will only pay a highly experienced model, someone I can describe what I want to shoot and the model understand and can turn the switch, to me if the model cant do that then to me she isnt professioanl enough for me to pay her, I have worked with some really great models both paid and TF, currently I feel I have judged it right, When I started out I needed experience so paying a model a £10 a hour and the charge for the studio yeah it hurt but it got me the images under control I needed, Now I feel well experienced and can pass my experience on so why should I pay simple now I still pay for getting the very best, their are still some models I want to work with, if I need to I pay for their tiem but I realise I need to save, so to me I will admit I might only sometimes shoot six to eight shoots ayear but then they will be great shoots I have been lucky as found a couple of models that when we work together is magic and results are really great so I have spoke with th models and offered a percentage split of money earnt from moeny made that way we both work hard to get really great images in the mean time the model get high quailty images, I get a great model without any delays as I know they will show up as we are both happy this is the cost of my experience in paying for models, I dont regret paying any model just at the same time like to get TF shoots as well. does depend on what you wanna take,
Thu Sep 1 03:04 2011 in reply to Shon D.- Femme
For the Photograpers... in General Industry
I don''t worry about paying clients much. Family, pets etc get away with a lot because I am taking their money. Sometimes things that would otherwise drive me nutsis tolerated because these people are giving me money. Dogs get away with even more because they are family. I normally shoot for the pleasure of photography. I absolutely love it so I do a lot of TF, so I am less likely to deal with cetains because I don't have to do it. A model, MUA etc gets one shot at correcting the term 'tog.' If they call me that in their initial contact, I will refer to myself as a photographer in my response. If their next message contains 'tog' I usually find that I am busy when they want to shoot. Another thing that is a deal breaker for me is netspeak. I am usually pretty easy to get along with but you must speak, understand and write at least one recognized language. "WTF my bf does not want me nifoc, Is that a prob?" Is not one of those languages. The other day I got a message from a model who wants to work with me. I looked at her profile before responding. It says in her profile that she will do nudes but she will not take her clothes off for free. I responded to her by saying I'd love to work with her but most of the concepts I have in mind require at least a little nudity and since I am not in a position to pay models, I will have to pass. She responded by saying she would waive the fee in order to work with me. I sent her four basic concepts I had in mind and said if she would do one of them, I will do on that a concept that she also wants to do. That way we both come away with something we want. She wrote back saying she was disappointed that all four of my ideas require nudity but she will take me up on the offer to just shoot the concept she has in mind. That shoot's not going to happen. Models have to read everything too. The people I look forward to working with are the models who have some ideas, but also the ones who hear one of my concepts and say "holy fu.....what if we...: Molels with ideas of their own, or ideas to improve one of my concepts steal my heart every time. I like models who are willing to talk stuff through. Three times now I've nudes with models who will never shoot nudes.Two who I'd shot with before, had asked if I had any concepts in mind that they could shoot 'this weekend.' In both cases I did but they required nudity. In both cases they asked what the concept was and when I told them, the wanted to, and did, shoot the photo. Recently I was working on a photo that didn't require a model but once I got the image finished I thought it would be spectacular with a nude model. Just so happened I was chatting with a model that evening. I showed her the image I'd just shot and explained how I did it and that I want to do it with a nude model. She said, "Shit... I'll be right back." She came back a minute later and said, "You're not doing that photo with anyone but me." I said, "You don't do nudes." She said, "I just talked to my husband likes you and trusts you. He said I can do whatever I want. I want to do that picture. I am going on vacation until September 3. Can we di it when I get back?" I like enthusiasm. Models never have to bring their own concepts to a shoot but if they do, thats awesome. If they come up with ideas to make my concepts better, so much the better. Models who have lists of favorite images on their profile page get my attention. Models who go out of their way to make the shoot better or more fun get cookies. Its great when a model is absolutely beautiful but physical beauty takes second place to enthusiasm and model-smarts. A real message gets my attention. An "Interested" emails does not.
Sun Aug 28 06:01 2011 in reply to Jennifer Kate
Photographs for applying to agencies in Model Colloquy
The answer is there is no "one size fits all" answer. And for clarity I think we can limit the discussion to a new model being presented to a fashion agency. I think we all agree that a commercial agency expects a model to bring in a more complete set of tools (pictures, comp cards, etc.) even when they are getting started. As Jean said, 16, 5'10, mamma wants to take you to the doctor thin, so stunning your face will launch a thousand ships (and with a very strong personality that you can easily project)? Front of the line, but you're still going to get immediately tested by agency recommended photographers. Potential models like this are actually very rare, but they do exist (it's possible that Jean has actually met one of these rare birds, ya think?) But I don't think that is where the OP was going with this discussion. What does a model who meets the basic agency standards (age, height, body proportions, and unique beauty) need when he/she goes in to visit with the new face division? As a photographer working with the model, what do you tell them? If you're Jean or Stefano, or any of a number of others posting in this string, sure, the agency will expect the model to have some images with them. If you've never placed a model with an agency before, don't have agency models using your image in their books, it's probably best to just go in with the model and let the agency do the digitals (Polaroids, whatever, we still say "dial the number" when no one still living has seen a dial phone). FYI, we tend to get all hung up on images, do you need them, do you not? (Well of course, we are photographers!). There are other things you can (and should) discuss with a prospective model before the agency visit to help prepare them for the interview. Remind them to have a simple bathing suit in their bag (often the agency wants to do at least a couple of the Polaroids in a swimsuit, shows the body and legs cleanly). Talk to them about talking, expressing their interest in working with the agency, smile, show some personality. And don't you talk when they ask the model a question, let the model know he/she is supposed to answer for themselves. Tell the model not to overdo the makeup, keep their skin clean so the agency can see their complexion. Ask them to dress neatly, don't overdo the clothes, and don't look like a tramp. It is after all, a job interview. And let them know before they go in that they may be asked to go to work immediately. They have to be prepared to live close to the agency, and they may have to travel to work and to go to other markets to get developed. A lot of people think they would like to be a fashion model, most are hardly prepared to make the absolute personal commitment required to be successful. So much has changed in the US which has made the agencies here less productive, too many clerks, not enough really sharp people at the agency level. Our culture has meant that more women expect to go to college (a really good thing), but that also means that fewer Americans are actually candidates for fashion modeling. The girls coming out of Europe and South America dominate the business now, they come to the (American) agencies fully developed in their local markets (local as in Paris, Milan, London, Sao Paulo, etc.). This means the big fashion agencies here (US) aren’t as strong doing new face development as they were in the past (my opinion). I think this is the reference frame Jean Renard has when he talks about a new (American) model needing more tools before they get signed. Different markets, different countries, different requirements to solve the problem. It’s a little like the blind guys trying to describe an elephant. It certainly depends on what end your at! I really do talk too much. Still, this is a discussion worth having. John -- John Fisher 900 West Avenue, Suite 633 Miami Beach, Florida 33139 305 534-9322 http://www.johnfisher.com
Fri Aug 26 20:14 2011 in reply to Fashion Photographer
Updated Attending list Photographers: Andrew Daughtry • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/drusport • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/andrew.daughtry • Zivity link www.zivity.com/photographers/Dr_U Sean Michael Russell • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/smrussell • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000070601053 Krissie Jacobsen • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/KrizieJ • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/KrizieJ Quantum Celebrations (Mark Smithers) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/quantumcelebrations • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1444608919 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/pages/Quantum-C … 9742356292 • Website http://www.quantumcelebrations.com/ Jeremi Blurton • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/262662 • Facebook link www.facebook.com/JeremiPhoto • Website link www.jeremiblurton.com • Email link email@example.com • Phone number 937.505.0522 Anthony Redell • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1066716 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/HeavenlyLightProductions?ref=pb Models: Krissie Jacobsen (female) • Model Mayhem http://www.modelmayhem.com/KrissieJ • Facebook http://www.facebook.com/KrizieJ Dakotah Wilkins (Female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/2310690 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/dakotahw1 • Email firstname.lastname@example.org • Phone number 937 626 9173 Stephanie Smithers (Female) • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= … mp;sk=wall Chris Dull (Male) • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000224192753 Rocky Doll (Male) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/rockydoll • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/rockydoll • Email email@example.com Kayla A-Lisa Roland (Female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1246495 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/KaylaALisa • Facebook Fan Page http://www.facebook.com/ACTRESS.MODEL.SINGER Ricci Fritsch (Female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1829986 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/gingerkitty0304 Make-Up Artists and Hair Stylists Melinda Henry (Make-Up) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1666953 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1079464251 Dana Marie Garcia • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= … mp;sk=info Pot Luck Lunch Items Krissie and Doug – We will be bringing bottled water and providing a grill Kayla A-Lisa Roland – green bean casserole If you do not see your name or someone elses name on this list, it is because they have not: A: Signed up and paid Or B: Notified me in what capacity they will be attending the shoot (model, photographer, MUA etc) Or C: Given me any kind of contact information
Sun Aug 21 09:56 2011
Touching the Models in Model Colloquy
Be more informed!! There is a problem in modeling, especially photo shoots, sexual harassment… Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination. From the other hand, it relates to any mental, emotional or physical pain resulted by disagreeable sexual advancement, requests for sexual favor, sexual comments or any form of verbal and/or physical sexual activity that hurts the personality or integrity. Sexual harassment/ violence in a workplace/ home are not normal but common. Her exposure to the world as individual personality has initiated her to earn her own identity. She likes to live her own and expects right to get respect. Gary W. Charpentier, the author of the article “Sexual Harassment in Modeling” says that many photographers “have had to take classes in the prevention of sexual harassment at their place of employment.” The author substantiates and delivers a strong message to all potentially involved in sexual harassment in modeling, especially photographs and promoters: “It you want to engage in behaviors that are potentially harassing, please don't do it at a photo shoot…. Take yourself into a strip club or nude bar and do your hooting, hollering, cat whistles, ogles, and other things. At least there the women expect it, and are hopefully being paid enough to put up with it… Photographers, please wake up! She is a model. Nothing more, nothing less. Treat her professionally and you will get some great photos. Keep your solicitations to yourself. Keep your hands off her.” The article was written as far back as in 1994, but today Charpentier’s seems to have been formulated just now: “photographers, the shoots are not a boys' club environment, where the girls are there for your pleasure. They are models, many of them professional quality. Treat them as professional models. Show them courtesy and respect. They appreciate it and it will show in your pictures….” Whereas most of materials on the subject have traditionally been devoted to protection of women against sexual harrassment, the article “How to avoid sexual harassment from gay agents” at http://www.campusmen.com/male-modeling/ … s-sex.html contains a kind of respective instructions for prospective male models/. The message and advice, in brief, is as follows. “Play It Smart by Keeping Quiet” - Simply make intelligent choices that help your career. After you become an established male model, always leave an agent whose priority is sex. “Don't Respond to Sexual Comments” - Often the agent's first step toward seducing a guy is to start making flirtatious comments. It's best to politely avoid these discussions from the start. “Don't Fail the Test. Avoid the Test!” - Don't make him think he has a chance. Get Reliable Info from Established male models. “Don't Be Homophobic” If you are still interested in becoming a male model, now you know some valuable theories that you can use to protect yourself and further your career. If the idea of working with unethical agents is too much for you, consider the time you save by choosing another career. Still, with some diligent street smarts, you can be successful and avoid being sexually harassed. Also, male models are advised to attend a party at an agent's home with another male model, or a group of friends; never make anti-gay statements to an agent or to other male models, never discuss the subject; never assume other male models you meet are straight; Never accuse an agent of being unscrupulous; avoid becoming close to an agent and discussing your personal life with an agent; Never discuss what you do in bed. The above set of instructions and advice can be useful for both female and male models.
Sat Aug 20 23:23 2011 in reply to Art of the nude
Not Allowing Escort -- Unprofessional? in Model Colloquy
Dude...you are 6'3", and MALE. Aside from your absurd reasoning, and lack of experience and perspective, it absolutely astounds me that YOU would feel the need for an escort. Ahh...more fearmongering from a new model that has a bad case of Mean World Syndrome. The media has this effect on most new people that try to enter this business. They watch too much Dateline NBC and CSI, and think that's the real world. From 1990 to 1998, the murder rate went down 20 percent in America. On TV news it went up 600 percent. Turn off your television, and do some research on this topic. A TON of other models? I'm not sure where these TONS of models are hiding. The only models that TONS of US see that insist on escorts are new models on MM escort threads. Murdered at a photo shoot? WOW...extreme fearmongering at it's finest. In the last 30 years in the US and Canada, less than half a dozen models were murdered at shoots by legit photographers (legit meaning having references, legit credentials). Several more were murdered by men POSING as photographers. In these situations, a simple reference check would have saved these models lives. More models were killed by their husbands/boyfriends/ex-boyfriends than were ever killed by photographers. You literally stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning or getting killed in a car accident on the way to a shoot than being killed by a photographer if sensible safety precautions and due diligence is employed. Speaking of risk, since your escort is a complete stranger to the photographer, why should he take THAT risk? Is your safety more important than his? And models that insist on escorts is how many of us filter out the models that aren't worth the time and trouble, when we can replace you with any number of the vast majority of models that can do their job without bodyguards. Photographers that do not allow escorts are often accused of having an "absolute" policy. I hope they are reading this. The reasons that you give ARE silly. Photographers that do not allow escorts generally have much stronger safety and liability concerns. A photographer will refuse an escort for many legit reasons that are not so silly: 1. Photographers that shoot in studios have insurance. Some of these policies do not cover people that are not directly involved in the shoot. Therefore, if he/she trips over a lightstand, breaks something, or hurts himself, the photographer could be sued, or the equipment would not be covered. In the cases where studio insurancs DOES cover "bodyguards", many photographers feel that the less people hanging around the studio/shooting area that are not directly involved in the shoot, the less potential of injury/property damage incurred, and less claims they have to file. 2. Your escort is a complete stranger to the photographer. The photographer has no idea what type of temperament or disposition that your escort has. There have been photographers that have been assaulted/robbed/battered by escorts. 3. Who is watching your escort while I'm shooting with you? He could be helping himself to my expensive gear while I'm busy with you. Many photographers have had things "disappear" while shooting escorted models. 4. In many situations, the model is incapable of getting into "model mode" with an escort present, especially boyfriends or husbands. They tend to get distracted, and it shows up in the quality of the images. 5. If her escort gets sick/gets called into work/has car problems/is hungover/has family issues...etc...the shoot is OFF. When you shoot an escorted model, you have just DOUBLED the risk of the model flaking and/or canceling. Those are just a few reasons. There are more.
Wed Aug 17 00:17 2011 in reply to James
PotD18+ Discussion Thread in Contests
Perhaps the following excerpts from an article titled:"How To Make Your Penis Bigger For Nude Photos" found on Campusmen.com will help them: Penis Size It is common for men to use tactics to make their penis bigger when posing for Playgirl style photos. Penises appear larger than normal by making the model's penis partially erect while posing... A fluffer's goal is to keep the male model's penis erect so the model can maintain his pose. This saves time because the model avoids needing to stop posing to stroke his penis. Fluffers also avoid the need for the model to reposition his body each time he moves when getting his penis hard... How Enlargement Works: A penis appears larger than normal when partially filled with blood. The male model strokes his penis until he has a full erection. The model stops stroking and the photographer waits for the model's penis to drop down as it begins to deflate. Once the penis drops down, the photographer begins shooting photos. Although the male model starts by obtaining the fullest erection possible, his penis will not appear erect in the photographs because the photographer snaps photos after the model's penis drops down, but is still enlarged. Shots should be created after the penis points downward because photos that show the model's penis pointing upward seldom look good. The goal is to achieve a semi-hard penis for a long period of time. The photographer stops each time the model's penis becomes completely soft. Then the model makes his penis fully erect again. During a three hour photo shoot, a model may get an erection dozens of times.
Sun Aug 14 08:27 2011 in reply to AntVik Photography
This is the Official/Un-Official attending list do to the fact that I'm still waiting for responses from some people and not everyone has paid yet. Photographers: Andrew Daughtry • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/drusport • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/andrew.daughtry • Zivity link www.zivity.com/photographers/Dr_U Sean Michael Russell • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/smrussell • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000070601053 Krissie Jacobsen • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/KrizieJ • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/KrizieJ Quantum Celebrations (Mark Smithers) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/quantumcelebrations • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1444608919 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/pages/Quantum-C … 9742356292 • Website http://www.quantumcelebrations.com/ Matt Fiora • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1041846 Anthony Hereld • Facebook link www.facebook.com/Anthony.Hereld.Photography • Website link www.anthonyhereld.com • Phone number 937-710-2065 Jeremi Blurton • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/262662 • Facebook link www.facebook.com/JeremiPhoto • Website link www.jeremiblurton.com • Email link firstname.lastname@example.org • Phone number 937.505.0522 Models: Krissie Jacobsen (female) • Model Mayhem http://www.modelmayhem.com/KrissieJ • Facebook http://www.facebook.com/KrizieJ Angel Anne (Female) • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/ModelAngelAnn • DeviantArt link http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&s … =angelanne Cecelia Rice (female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/ceceliac • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/ceceliac119 Denae Garcia (Female age 15) ** Guardian will present at all times** • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1534776995 • Email Surfercaligirl18@aol.com • Phone number (859)-991-4677 my cell (859)-360-4041 my mom/ escort Dakotah Wilkins (Female) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/2310690 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/dakotahw1 • Email email@example.com • Phone number 937 626 9173 Stephanie Smithers (Female) • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= … mp;sk=wall Chris Dull (Male) ** New to modeling** • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000224192753 Curtis Grove (Male) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/2263067 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/JiggsvsCurtis • Email firstname.lastname@example.org Rocky Doll (Male) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/rockydoll • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/rockydoll • Email email@example.com Make-Up Artists and Hair Stylists Melinda Henry (Make-Up) • Model Mayhem link http://www.modelmayhem.com/1666953 • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1079464251 Dana Marie Garcia • Facebook link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= … mp;sk=info Pot Luck Lunch Items Krissie and Doug – We will be bringing bottled water and providing a grill If you do not see your name or someone elses name on this list, it is because they have not: A: Signed up and paid Or B: Notified me in what capacity they will be attending the shoot (model, photographer, MUA etc) Or C: Given me any kind of contact information
Sat Aug 13 21:30 2011
BOB ELVIN IS BACK WITH A NEW SERIES OF WORKSHOPS FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS OF ALL LEVELS Bob Elvin is a photographer, director and videographer. He has taught photography for many, many years at universities, through the city and here at Group Photo Shoots. You can read all of the details of this event by: CLICK HERE to read Bob's biography. He is an impressive individual. This will be a series of five workshops, running every other week. You can take any individual lesson or attend the entire series. There are no pre-requesites and these classes are open to photographers of all levels. The material will be scaled to the experience of the photographers who attend. YOU CAN GET FULL DETAILS ON ALL THE CLASSES BY: CLICKING HERE. LESSON ONE - 8/20/11 - is on Studio Tools and Macro Photography. In this lesson Bob will help you achieve the basic skills you will need to work in a studio on your own, plus explain the basics of macro photography. Don't worry if you don't have a macro lens. Bob will bring one, along with a camera body, you can practice with. This class will teach you: The basics of studio photography The benefits of pack lighting over mono-lights When are mono-lights the better choice? When to use a softbox, an umbrella or other modifier? What is the most essential grip equipment to work in the studio? How do I make the shot work with the gear that I have? How do I develop confidence to do it myself? What is macro photography? What does it mean to say that the lens is "one to one?" Why is macro photography important? LESSON TWO - 9/3/11 - Backgrounds and Green Screens Lesson two is a comprehensive discussion on the use of backdrops and green screens. Bob will go into detail on the selection of background colors, textures and finishes. You will learn the secrets in making use of a green screen. Above all, you will get a clear feel for the artistic decisions which go into selecting the correct background for the subject. This class will teach you: The effects of color How does texture change your statement? Considerations for white balance when selecting a background Making meaningful decisions on the finish of the background material Understanding "White" and the reason there is more than one shade of white When to pick cloth and when to pick paper Understanding green screens Factoring green screen limitations into your shot When is a green screen the right background? When should green screen be avoided? LESSON THREE - 9/17/11 - Lighting Control Lesson three deals with one of the fundumentals of photography, lighting control. When working outdoors, at least in part, your statement is dictated by then environment you are shooting in. When working in the studio, you are the director. The purpose of this class is to help you take command of the set, meaning that you become the master of the lighting, rather than reacting and merely selecting exposure and white balance. Bob will give you a genuine feel for lighting techniques and tactics so you control the light as opposed to reacting to it. This class will teach you: Standard lighting setups The differences between forms of modifiers How to select the size and shpa fo the soft box or modifier How to flag a light to control dispersal When to use a grid, snoot or bard door to attain light control Controlling dropoff and power Coping with temperature variations due to environmental conditions Combining light sources LESSON FOUR - 10/1/11 - Portraiture / Working with Props Lesson four is all about portraits and props. It will start by teaching you the essentials of portrait photography. You'll learn about lighting, poses and more. It will expand to bring in the greatest variable, props. This is all about shooting portraits like the masters. This class will teach you: Standard lighting setups for portraits When to bring in the hair light Understanding the triangle How do you use a beauty dish effectively? When do you use a beauty dish and when do you use a softbox? Selecting softbox size for portraits How do you select a prop for a portrait? When are props appropriate? How do you avoid white balance contamination? Making the geometry of the prop work Common mistakes when using props LESSON FIVE - 10/15/11 - Bodyscapes / Creating Fine Art Lesson five concludes this series. In Lesson five you will learn to take the skills taught in the first four classes and produce fine art with a figure model. The goal of this class is to let you develop the eye to distinguish fine art from other forms of photography. The subject matter will fall back to the very basic, using the human form to create visually impressibe landscapes. Through the use of geometry and creative lighting, you will advance your skills as a fine art photographer. This class will teach you: Using light to create emotion Visualizing your statement Making the unexpected a part of your work Challenging your creative boundaries Using the pose to make the statement Using light to control the point of interest Keeping your shot fine art rather than commercial or glamour Learning to be critical, yet appreciative of your work Controlling the statement through exposure Using over-exposure and under exposure as an element of your art Lessons one through three are taught without a model. Lesson four has a model for portraits and lesson five has a figure model. YOU MAY ATTEND ANY INDIVIDUAL CLASS OR TAKE THEM ALL. THE ENTIRE SERIES OF FIVE SESSIONS IS PRICED AT $300 FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR $250 FOR MEMBERS OF THE PHOTO STUDIO CLUB YOU MUST REGISTER IN ADVANCE TO GET THE FULL SERIES PRICING PRICES FOR THE INDIVIDUAL CLASSES VARY FROM $60-$90 PER CLASS, DEPENDING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE CLASS FEATURES A MODEL. MEMBERS OF THE PHOTO STUDIO CLUB ALWAYS GET A DISCOUNT. CLICK HERETO GET FULL INFORMATION ON THE PRICING FOR EACH EVENT Visit the Photo Studio Club to get more information about the club. [img]http://photostudioclub.com/images/logo1.jpg[/img] www.photostudioclub.com TO PAY BY PAYPAL SEND YOUR PAYMENT TO INFO@GROUPPHOTOSHOOTS.COM OR YOU MAY CALL THE STUDIO TO MAKE A DIRECT PAYMENT BY CREDIT CARD. THIS EVENT STARTS AT 10:30AM GROUP PHOTO SHOOTS STUDIO B 340 BRYANT STREET, SUITE 330 SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94107 415-601-5475 Please enter the building through the open roll-up door to your far left. You will register at the table outside Studio A and will then go upstairs for your class After the class, you can join us downstairs at Studio A for lunch and to meet other members of our group. Your lunch is included in the price. While you are participating in the class upstairs, an entirely different group of photographers will be involved in a group shoot downstairs in Studio A. Lunch is a good time to get to know ohter photographers, meet models and enjoy the day. After lunch, you are welcome to remain to hire and shoot the models who were involved in the morning session in Studio A. After all of our weekend events, we keep both of our studios open until 7:00PM, to allow the photographers there to hire and shoot the models who attended that day. We call these "Private Shoots" and are your opportunity to work, one on one, with the models who are there. To shoot with a model, you simply sign up on the computer in Studio A, selecting the model you would like to work with and the length of time you want to shoot. The cost of the shoots are not included, but the models have very reasonable pricing. The minimum time to shoot with a model is just thirty minutes. If you decide you would like to work with a model, Bob will be around for a while to help you set up and work in the studio. You will get a good chance to practice your skills with a live model. YOU ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO HIRE A MODEL IT IS JUST AN ADDTIONAL SERVICE WE PROVIDE!
Thu Aug 11 10:32 2011
escorts in Model Colloquy
I've seen ALL the statistics, and...again, no one is "shooting down" that statistic. The statistic is irrelevant. This topic is not about the TOTALITY of women getting raped. That is a completely different issue. This topic is about female models that employ sensible safety precautions and due diligence, and the subject of escorts, and how they relate to model safety. There is no evidence to suggest that escorts make a model safer, and there is historical precedent that models that have brought escorts were STILL subjected to inappropriate behavior. Here are 2 cases where the models brought escorts, and were STILL raped: http://articles.latimes.com/1996-01-05/ … hotographs http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … odels.html Here are two more models that brought escorts, and were STILL groped: http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/policer … 015770.php http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … &page= Here, the model's husband was present, and the model STILL was groped: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Well, you fit right into the demographic of a "model" that insists on an escort. You have a MM profile that is 2 days old, and it looks like you have done 1 shoot with 1 photographer. It doesn't surprise me that you have a bad case of Mean World Syndrome. You don't have the experience to know any better. Actually, there are PLENTY of legit reasons that a photographer would not allow an escort. 1. Photographers that shoot in studios have insurance. Some of these policies do not cover people that are not directly involved in the shoot. Therefore, if he/she trips over a lightstand, breaks something, or hurts himself, the photographer could be sued, or the equipment would not be covered. In the cases where studio insurancs DOES cover "bodyguards", many photographers feel that the less people hanging around the studio/shooting area that are not directly involved in the shoot, the less potential of injury/property damage incurred, and less claims they have to file. 2. Your escort is a complete stranger to the photographer. The photographer has no idea what type of temperament or disposition that your escort has. There have been photographers that have been assaulted/robbed/battered by escorts. 3. Who is watching your escort while I'm shooting with you? He could be helping himself to my expensive gear while I'm busy with you. Many photographers have had things "disappear" while shooting escorted models. 4. In many situations, the model is incapable of getting into "model mode" with an escort present, especially boyfriends or husbands. They tend to get distracted, and it shows up in the quality of the images. 5. If her escort gets sick/gets called into work/has car problems/is hungover/has family issues...etc...the shoot is OFF. When you shoot an escorted model, you have just DOUBLED the risk of the model flaking and/or canceling. Those are just a few reasons. There are more.
Thu Aug 11 03:05 2011 in reply to Alabaster Crowley
Learning to direct models in General Industry
How you direct models is central to the development of your own style. We can give you suggestions, but at its heart, each suggestion is merely what works for each of us, and the suggestion may or may not be appropriate / valid for you. So, my generic suggestion: practice, practice, practice! And while you are practicing, keep trying new ideas & evaluating how well each idea works. My specific suggestions: (In no particular order) >>> I think new photographers should work with experienced models (and yes, that sometimes means paying them). Experienced models are often self-starters, and they can move & pose without much direction if need be. They can also give you feedback from the model's perspective. Experienced / skilled models are great. >>> Something I do (which few other photographers do): I take a moment at the beginning of each setup to complete all my technical decisions. I put the camera on a tripod, I set the white balance, I figure out the exposure settings, I think about composition, I adjust the lights & background, etc. Then I step away from behind the camera, hold the cable release, and focus my eyes on the model. I'm purely interacting with the model from that point forward, and I'm not distracted by needing to pay attention to my camera. >>> I tend to give the model general direction before we start. Then, during the exposure-making time, we are talking about lots of stuff. I like engaging the model's brain, because I hate the tons of empty-headed stares we often see. Sometimes, I give the model feedback, I tell her what I see & what I want to see, and I encourage her, but we could also be talking about our other hobbies or whether we like to cook or our favorite recent movies or whatever. Keep things moving. >>> Sometimes, I can be very specific, as in "please raise your chin an inch", but sometimes I give the model a problem to solve, as in "let's see more movement". Again, I like engaging the model's brains. >>> Most models know how to present themselves well, so allow them some freedom to show you. >>> I'm one of those photographers who don't like it when a model poses; I prefer to have them move and/or react. Good luck.
Sun Aug 7 11:07 2011 in reply to Eralar
Why Nude? in Model Colloquy
So you're a REAL model then? So according to you: REAL models are fake REAL models are about clothes not themselves... REAL models don't know what they want.... REAL models are repressed... REAL models don't use their body to make ART REAL models lie about their looks REAL models need to hide behind fabric REAL models care (probably too much) about what others may think... REAL models are not confident REAL models carry labels REAL models don't work with their minds to express with their bodies REAL models are stupid REAL models SUCK Brilliant. I can find a few REAL models that would be rather insulted by your assertion. Sorry, I know it's feeding the twit troll, but I couldn't resist.
Thu Aug 4 20:16 2011 in reply to Valkyrur
COME JOIN US FOR FOUR DAYS AND FOUR NIGHTS OF SHOOTING AND CRUSING FUN ... WE'RE OFF TO MEXICO! THIS EVENT IS ONLY $450 PLUS THE COST OF YOUR ONBOARD CABIN! We are off to sea on the Carnival Paradise for four days and four nights of nothing but fun! [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Carnival_Paradise_20100216.JPG/800px-Carnival_Paradise_20100216.JPG[/img] We've done all kinds of adventures ... this time we're off to Mexico on a cruise ship. We're departing from Long Beach, California on Septmerber 26th. We'll have two ports of call, Catalina Island and Ensenada, Mexico. We're going to have a great cruise, as a group, plus ... we're also going to be shooting onboard the ship and at all of our destinations. Onboard the ship, you will be able to shoot almost anywhere you want, although public nudity won't be allowed. We'll also have our own, deluxe suite where we'll be able to shoot nudes. We'll have a balcony, a whirlpool, a king-sized bed and a lot more. I'll bring the lights. On most of these cruises, the promoters expect the models to pay their own way. That limits your shooting because the models are there on their own. The reason for your tuition to this event is so that we can pick up the expenses for the models. The studio isn't charging a fee. The models are coming to shoot and will shoot often! On Catalina, we intend to rent vans to take us to some great shooting locations. In Ensenada, our plan is to charter taxicabs to take us to some great, secluded beaches. The shooting will be a lot of fun. Carnival is arranging for us to be seated together for our meals and organized shipboard activities. Onboard, there is nightly entertainment, more food than you could possibly eat and activities througout the day. When you aren't shooting you are free to partake in any activities onboard the ship. We plan this event to have a 2:1 photographer to model ratio. Initially we'll have six photographers and three models. As we get more photographers, we'll add models. We can easily accomodate up to five models and ten photographers. It is even possible to handle more. The price for this event is $450. That DOES NOT include the cost of your cabin on the ship or transportaiton to Long Beach. Cabins on the ship start at $319 per person for an inside cabin or $379 for an outside cabin. Right now, Carnival has a special price of $419 for an outside cabin on the same deck as the suite we will be shooting in. All cabins are double occupancy. You will be able to pick your own roommate. Cabins for single occupancy are available, but they are substantially more expensive. Other than your cabin, the only other expenses you will incur is transportation to Long Beach, your share of cab/vans for shore shooting and your bar tab on the ship. All meals and entertainment onboard are included in the price. MODELS Fallon [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110508/06/4dc698d249d22.jpg[/img] Bree Paige [img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/crzygrly04/DSC_6085.jpg[/img] Kat [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110201/01/4d47cf47035ff.jpg[/img] We will add models as more photographers sign up! We currently have six photographers and expect more. A NUDE PROMOTIONAL RELEASE IS INCLUDED FOR ALL MODELS EXCEPT FOR KAT WHO WILL SIGN A NON-NUDE RELEASE A FULL COMMERCIAL RELEASE FOR THE ENTIRE CRUISE IS JUST $50 PER MODEL You are responsible for making your own travel arrangements to Long Beach. Air travel and transfers are available through Carnival Cruises. Parking is available at the Carnival Cruise terminal. All models are available for private booking, but private bookings are not required. The models are being compensated for the shoot by our payment for their cruise. No passport is required, but you do have to bring a birth certificate with an original seal. This event is open to all photographers. NOTE: There will be one special shoot set aside for members of the photo studio club! Click the banner below for more information on the club: Have you joined yet? [img]http://photostudioclub.com/images/logo1.jpg[/img] www.photostudioclub.com YOUR $450 REGISTRATION FEE IS DUE IMMEDIATELY ON JULY 23RD, THE REGISTRATION FEE WILL INCREASE TO $550 ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, THE REGISTRATION FEE WILL INCREASE TO $600 Cabin Reservations will be made directly with Carnival through our dedicated representative. W e will provide you with his telephone number upon registration. You will need to pick your own cabinmate. You can reserve a cabin onboard at anytime. It is first come, first served. You can reserve with Carnival now for a deposit of only $150. Full payment isn't due until July 29th. If you reserve after July 29th, payment in full will be required with your reservation. WE WILL PROVIDE A LIST OF ALL REGISTERED PHOTOGRAPHERS SO YOU CAN SELECT A ROOMMATE YOU MAY PAY THE $450 REGISTRATION BY PAYPAL OR BY CREDIT CARD. TO USE PAYPAL, SEND YOUR RESERVATION AND PAYMENT TO: INFO@GROUPPHOTOSHOOTS.COM IF YOU PREFER NOT TO USE PAYPAL, YOU MAY USE A CREDIT CARD BY CALLING 415-601-5475 You can read all of the details of this event by: CLICKING HERE.
Mon Jul 18 12:59 2011
Due to some difficulties lately, we've decided to use Russell's mansion in Beverly Hills again for our July 30th event. This is the same location we used for our June 18th event. This is a 35 photographer limit! Due to the request of the owner, Drew and I will have to limit how many people are inside the home at one given time. Here are links to our previous events, some with behind the scene videos! • D&K Desert event June 25th Victorville, CA • D&K Mansion event June 18 Beverly Hills, CA • Drew & Karl Mansion event May 15 Beverly Hills, CA - video! • Drew and Karl HUGE Mansion Shoot April 23 Riverside, CA • Drew & Karl Bank Vault shoot Los Angeles CA March 20th • Drew & Karl Playboy models - Encino, CA Feb 27th • Drew & Karl group shoot in Tustin Ranch, CA December 4th & 5th - Video! • Drew & Karl Glamour shoot Sat Nov 20th, Norco, CA • Drew and Karl WNR shoot, Sun Oct 24 - Menifee, CA Here is a video! • Desert workshop/group shoot 9/25 Victorville, CAHere is a video! • Drew & Karl Mansion event Aug 15 Beverly Hills, CA Here is the video! • Drew & Karl Back 2 Back event July 17th Monrovia, CA Check out the video! • Drew & Karl, Summer Start Off, Monrovia, CA June 19 • Drew and Karl WNR shoot, Sun May 23 - Menifee, CA • Drew and Karl workshop/group shoot 4/25 Vista, CA • Drew and Karl group shoot, Sunday March 28, Riverside, CA • Drew and Karl TeaseUm shoot, Feb 27, Riverside, CA • Drew and Karl group shoot, Jan 30, Riverside, CA • Wooden Nickle Ranch, Sun Dec 6th - Menifee, CA • Desert workshop/group shoot Oct-24 Victorville, CA • Desert workshop/group shoot 9/27 Victorville, CA - Check out our very first video! For new photographers who want to attend our workshop • Learn to use lighting like the pros. • We're here to share our tips to beginning photographers. • Ever wonder how Drew and I light our models without the background being blown out on a sunny day? Speed lights not cutting it huh? We will give you hands on experience in using affordable and portable mono strobe lights and equipment. Try Before You Buy. • You'll be so impressed with your images after the event that you'll be ready to order the same lighting equipment we use. • I'll show you different light modifiers and their uses. Octobox, beauty dish and grids will be covered. I'll discuss the difference between the silver BD and white BD. Why i use the BD over an Octobox at the beach or desert. • Circular Polarizer(CP)and Neutral Density(ND) filters will be discussed and how it will improve your images when shooting outdoors or at the beach. I recommend Hoya brand. CP, ND4 • Once you attend our workshop, you'll be able to build up your port with beautiful models quickly. • Students can take the remainder of day to shoot models. Preperations for workshop: • To make use of the workshop, Pocket Wizards or Cyber Syncs are recommended. You can rent the PW's from Calumet or Samy's if needed. If you are in the market to purchase wireless transmitter i recommend purchasing the Cybersyns from Paul C. Buff. If the Pocket Wizards or Cyber Syncs are unavailable to rent, you may rent Pocket Wizards from Drew and I. Limited availability, don't assume we'll have enough PW's. • Students should have prior knowledge on how to adjust their camera in manual mode. You'll need to know how to adjust aperture, shutter speed and ISO. • I recommend you purchase a CP, ND or both that i listed above. Purchase the appropriate diameter for your lens. • Make sure D-lighting or similar camera feature is turned off! • If you have a 101 questions, please let us finish the workshop first then you may ask your questions after. Some photographers learn quicker than others so we can finish with them right away so they can jump right into shooting for the rest of the day. It typically takes 30-40 minutes to teach the workshop depending on the amount of students and answering basic questions. Don't care about the workshop? • For photographers who don't care about the workshop, they can shoot the available models for the group shoot portion. (Please note that the workshop will be using Channel 1 on the Pocket Wizards. On the CyberSyncs we'll reserve Channel 9 also, if needed) • Shoot beautiful models all day long. • Please be courteous, if you're going to set up your lighting equipment at a awesome location, to either share or move locations every 1/2 hour. Hire models after the event for 1 on 1 shoots at 1/2 hour increments Message the models and see if you can hire the model you want after the group event for 1 on 1 sessions. The 6 sessions are: 3:30pm-4pm 4:10pm-4:40pm 4:50pm-5:20pm 5:30pm-6pm 6:10pm-6:40pm 6:50pm-7:20pm Times are approximate, they will likely change to adjust for sunset shoot for last session. **************** Registration Information **************** When is this taking place and how can i reserve a spot? Date: Saturday July 30th Time: 11am to Sunset. The main event is from 11am to 3pm. 3pm-3:30pm is lunch. From 3:30pm-Sunset you are allowed to hire models for 1 on 1 sessions at 1/2 hour increments. The times here may change! Location: Beverly Hills, CA We'll email the address and information to you several days before the event. Photographer fee: • Workshop - $160 fee with $80 deposit. (For photographers who want to learn lighting using strobes. Group shoot included.) • Group shoot - $120 fee with $60 deposit for new photographers. (For photographers not interested in the workshop portion.) • Photographer Limit: Due to the mansions owners request, we are limited to 35 photographers. • Deposit is non-refundable! No exceptions! If you can't make it to the event on July 30th, your deposit will NOT go towards the next event! I repeat, your deposit will NOT go towards the next event! You will lose your deposit. • Remainder balance to be paid at meeting location. • Deposit payment by Paypal. Don't have Paypal? Get one or miss out! • Contact Drew Santos with your full name, phone number, and email address for payment instructions. Please be sure you message Drew on MM even though you paid the deposit through Paypal. That way he can keep track of attendies. For non MM members reading this, Drew's email is BMWM34DREW@aol.com. Be sure to tell him you do not have an MM account. • Model releases are not included. Cost of model release will depend on what the model charges. • Lunch and drinks will be provided. NO ESCORTS, HUSBAND, BOYFRIENDS, OF SOME SORT FOR BOTH MODELS AND PHOTOGRAPHERS! But if you absolutely need to bring someone, they will have to pay the $120 fee. Information here subject to change. Keep checking this post for updates...
Wed Jul 13 22:57 2011
How to become agency approved as a photographer? in General Industry
Agency models get their photos for their books from test shoots and from tear sheets. The photographer may or may not get paid for those test shoots, hence a paid test. New faces need the test shoots more than experienced models, and ironically the experienced models (who need them less) rarely have to pay for a test shoot because most good photographers would gladly do it unpaid. If you work with enough new faces, you start to understand why since they really aren't that good yet. The OP asked about "agency approved photographers", which are exactly as I stated. Photographers who have been put on the agency's list of recommended photographers. They have absolutely no affiliation with the agency or the agency is probably not legit. They may be on the list of more than one agency (if they are any good, they should be). For the sake of discussion, those who's sole earnings in the fashion world are from agency models are agency photographers even if they do not have direct ties to the agencies involved (nor should they). A great number of young photographers out of school or just getting over the self-taught amateur stage get their start by shooting agency models. That leads to access to models for editorial work on spec (which usually only end up in the photographer's book since it's very difficult to get a spec editorial published), which in turn leads to paid editorial and/or paid lookbook type jobs once the photographers book is getting seen. Those paid lookbook jobs may turn into larger jobs, etc., etc. A commercial photographer who shoots fashion for clients would never get those paid agency test jobs simply because the agency would not be recommending them. Of course they wouldn't turn them down, but since the models have never heard of them they will never get the call and my point was more that the photographer will spend their marketing efforts on commercial clients not agencies. The people the agency mentions and points to on the list are the most likely to get called and if not them it will be someone on MM that shoots for free. I don't know if or when you ever shot agency models on a testing basis, but it is very competitive these days, particularly with so many good photographers willing to shoot for free. With agencies its out of sight, out of mind and I speak from experience in that regard. They are like a high maintenance girlfriend. If I've been shooting agency models regularly, I get reasonably regular referrals. If I'm out of town and thus out of sight for an extended period of time (like a couple weeks to a month), then it usually takes some serious effort to get back to where I previously was simply because they have started recommending someone else in my absence (and I was never their number 1 recommendation, just cheaper than the number 1 guys). There are precious few paid tests in a small market and there are definitely a couple local favorites. The jobs that escape those local favorites are hard to get if you aren't one of the first names the bookers suggest. As for the career path, I know plenty who have gone through that path as I described. Not all, but many fashion photographers go through that path. At some point, the photographer gets busy enough with commercial clients that they become out of sight, out of mind and those paid agency tests go to the next up and coming photographer unless the photographer puts some serious effort in staying connected. Those commercial photographers will always be welcome to borrow a model for a personal test and occasionally do (I've know both models who have been in that situation with photographers that don't otherwise do test shoots and photographers who don't do them but occasionally just need a model). As for myself, I've done quite a fair bit of work with the agencies and have gone on to some of those larger jobs as well. They just typically have not been in fashion but tabletop lately. Either way, when I'm busy with work, I don't have time to network with bookers and those paid tests disappear until I go down and reintroduce myself to let them know I'm available. Anymore, I'm just as happy to either shoot with someone from MM who has enthusiasm and doesn't work with agencies (such as this profile) or borrow a model for personal work from an agency (as would be seen in my agency work profile). I no longer seek paid gigs from agencies, but I take them if they come (which is usually after shooting a personal project with one of their models). If I travel, I send my book ahead to an agency and borrow a model from them. Once you have a book of agency tests, it's pretty easy to get a model from an agency you haven't worked with, but you usually will get a new face.
Tue Jul 12 20:51 2011 in reply to DennisRoliffPhotography
Jealous boyfriends of models in General Industry
I don't have to be bestest buddies with my models -- we have a constructive, enjoyable, & friendly professional relationship, but in general, we don't form close friendships. What happens in her relationships is none of my business, and I generally don't waste my time dealing with (or even interacting with) the model's friends, SO's, family, acquaintances, etc. If any of these people have an opinion, they are encouraged to share it with the model & leave me out of it. Similarly, if someone wants a print of a model, I tell them to ask the model & let the model ask me. If someone wants the model's phone number or address, I ignore them. If someone wants to hire the model, I might be willing to forward a message to the model, but I don't give out the model's personal information. I had someone claiming to be a model's mother contact me asking permission to use an image I made with the model for a breast cancer benefit. I was polite & told her to get her daughter to make that request, because I didn't know her (the mother). Turns out, she really was the model's mother, and I think I earned karma points for protecting the model's identity from someone who was a stranger to me. Note: all my models are legally adult.
Tue Jul 12 11:40 2011 in reply to Aesthetic Photoworks
How are photographers supposed to afford models in General Industry
First may I say find it EXTREMELY offensive that you are comparing models to adult sex workers like escorts. Though you excuse yourself, I can only imagine you make the comparison in the first place to cause such offence. However, I will address you points. Firstly if you wish to make an image - or produce a garment and show it off well - in a professional way you will need a professional model to do that. Some photographers can catch a beautiful fleeting expression or something from an amateur model; a good documentary photographer can capture genuine expression from a real life scenario whether it be an Afghan girl or a moment of sports angst or ecstasy. BUT these are documentary. If you wish to create an image rather than record it, it is entirely different. It is similar to making a movie with actors or amateurs. Not everyone will have the budget to employ actors; but then they will find it difficult to produce something of quality. Unless again; it is documentary. So I feel what you are asking is akin to say why do film makers need to pay actors; and I feel I am having to explain the obvious. The market decides what people are paid be they actors or models. We don't 'aim' our skills and abilities at 'rich gentlemen' we show them in the marketplace and we get booked. A photographer aiming to produce a high quality image may be doing it for his own Art or may be doing it for a third party client, or with a publication in mind. Even if its for his own art presumably he will be selling it at a Gallery or again some publication. He owns the copyright and there is at the very least potential to sell it or develop his image making skills toward some professional outcome in the future. His best way of selling that image; or if it is a designer to sell the creation, is to use a professional model in that process. It is our job as a model to interpret your vision. I began as a Fine Art model. I studied models in artists images and sculpture from throughout art History; I studied gesture and pose also in dance and ballet, and in studied Fashion photography throughout the decades to come up with a repertoire of elegant and expressive poses. It obviously was worth something for me to be fully booked most weeks for two years. I am not a top model by any means but I am a journeyman model and like many here we are able to have a professional input into helping create an artists vision; whether they are a painter, a sculptor, a photographer, or a designer. I think we are as important a factor in that as a good photographer is in creating a beginning model's portfolio; and both here deserve renumeration for their work. Sometimes where there is mutual benfit then TF is an option; but that IS pay of sorts. That is how the business plan works. The artist (photographer, designer, painter, sculptor) has a vision. He/she employs a model to interpret it through pose, expression, gesture, style, or even promotion and because they are good at that something is created which can be sold or looks like it is worth paying for to a third party. That third party can be a gallery owner or customer; a publication, a client that buys a dress whatever. If you don't use a professional model your results may be limited. So paying a good model maximises your potential in the marketplace. No people can't always afford it; but in the end I don't think a professional photographer can afford not to at some point. A good model is as essential to your artistic vision as camera or paint or fabric and need as much investing in. Oh and btw; I have said it before and I will say it again. Photography is often only a small proportion of a professional model's paid work. We don't seem to have this issue from artists or designers or promotion companies where there is never a question of not being paid for our work.
Tue Jul 12 05:15 2011 in reply to R A V E N D R I V E
Question to Photographers in Photography Talk
For those models looking to book with Professional Photographers for commercial gigs, the following is a Outline of how Commercial Clients will book models. It is a requirement for every model to have both a Commercial Headshot, and Bodyshot. Quite often, after selecting a group of models from models "Books", my clients insist on a Go-See at the Agency. (and they may do this at multiple Agencies before Booking) Simply put, a model's portfolio must show what she "really" looks like. Casting and Art Directors, Photographers, and other professionals, don't need to see all the fancy "stuff" in your book. They don't want to see an expose on the photographers work either. And please please, photographs that are so heavily retouched that the skin looks like plastic, are a No NO ! They are skilled and will know what they are looking for, and if you can give it to them. Your portfolio should show a range of photos, with consistency in quality. Use fewer photos of the very best quality, as opposed to so many pics that causes eyes to blur. Think Quality, not Quantity. Personally, I look for a clean Headshot. And I look for pics that show facial expression. Lastly, I look at the body of work, to see how a model moves. Is she aware of her body, comfortable in her own skin, is she confident. A Great model ACTS, and MOVES, as the session dictates. Lastly, she is aware of what the other professionals do and need to do with her. Stylist, Hair, Makeup, are all part of a great collaboration. This is what makes a photoshoot work. What makes clients Happy. What makes Campaigns successful. And what makes clients come back, and hire models, and photographers again. Models who are successful are professional. They show up on time ready to work. Professional Models TEST all the time. Its important to keep your name out there and working with other professionals is the best way to do so. When a model trades with a successful photographer, her pics will be seen by many casting directors and booking agents, and thus increases her opportunities to be seen. A Glamour model I recently did headshots for (in Trade), received over two dozen calls, because the Headshot was toned down without all the makeup and fancy lights. People could see how beautiful she is. For more tips, write Greg Autry, here on Model Mayhem. Offering Portfolio reviews at a reasonable rate. Shooting Portfolio images for Agency Represented Models and Actors.
Mon Jul 4 15:23 2011 in reply to IDiivil
ALL MODEL POSITIONS ARE NOW FILLED - THANKS FOR THE INCREDIBLE RESPONSE THIS IS A CONTEST SHOOT - 1st Place pays $400.00 -- There will be a total of $1350.00 in Prize Money Available -- Read On HOMEGROWN HOTTIES - SERIES 2 #4 -SEPT 10TH - Shoot Times will be 11am to 3pm with 3 hours for 1-on-1's beginning at 3:15. We will be using a beautiful Home in Riverside. This event will be different from the other HOMEGROWN HOTTIES Events. Models will be paid based on a vote of the attending Photographers. Highest Scoring Model will get the Highest Pay (See Below) We will hire 10 figure models. The job offers will go to models who have supported the HOMEGROWN HOTTIES Events this year. Any Leftover slots will go to new casting call models. Pictures will be posted as the models confirm. ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES / DRUGS ARE NOT PERMITTED AT THIS EVENT If you have questions about the shoot, please feel free to call me at (951)214-8023 Cell or (951) 360-9087 Home MODEL INSTRUCTIONS: THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW GROUP SHOOTS WHERE YOU ARE GUARANTEED TO TAKE HOME MONEY, OTHER SHOOTS DO NOT PAY FOR THE FIRST 4 HOURS - YOUR ONLY PAY IS FOR 1-ON-1'S. -- NOT AT HOMEGROWN HOTTIES !!! (1) Because of the format of this event at least "Topless" is required. (2) You are not required to pose "Hustler" style but if you feel that it will earn you a higher score, it is perfectly acceptable for you to do so. (3) Please do your own hair / make-up (4) You may sell model releases for up to $20.00 each, $30.00 for Explicit. (5) You will book your own 1-on-1 sessions, release included, at your own rate. (We recommend $40.00 per 30 minutes) (6) You must work the group shoot in order to sell 1-on-1 spots. (7) You will be provided a safe & friendly work environment. (8) Your pay will be based on the following scale determined by a vote of the attending photographers. (9) FRIENDLY ADVICE Please come ready to work or close to it. This is a contest and every minute counts toward your score. If you spend 30 minutes or more getting ready, thats taking away time that you need to earn points. 1st Pl - $400.00, 2nd Pl - $300.00, 3rd Pl - $200.00, 4th Pl - $100.00, 5th & 6th will get $75.00, 7th, 8th, 9th & 10th will get $50.00 each This money is in addition to anything you collect in 1-on-1's or by selling releases. This prize money will be distributed at 3pm. PHOTOGRAPHER INSTRUCTIONS: (1) Photographers limited to 25. (2) Registration $100.00 in advance. IF YOU GIVE ME A DEPOSIT OR FULL PAYMENT AND CANNOT MAKE THE SHOOT, CALL IN ADVANCE AND YOUR RESERVATION MONEY WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE NEXT EVENT - (IF YOU ARE A NO SHOW, THERE WILL BE NO REFUND) NO DIRECT CASH REFUNDS (3) Models will be selling releases for the group shoot for $20.00 ($30.00 for Explicit) (4) You can bring your own lighting equipment, but I would at least suggest a pocket wizard or similar unit. (*) NOTE: PLEASE limit it to 1 light & stand per photog during the group portion AND remember that Pocket Wizard only has 4 channels Why do we suggest a Pocket Wizard? It is to limit the number of cords that are lying on the ground so there is less of a chance of tripping over a cord (5) For Private 1-on-1 shoots between 3:15 and 6:00pm, you may book your favorite model(s) in 30 minute increments at a rate of approximately $40.00 including release. (6) Location Owner is Flexible, Time may be extended as needed. (7) You must pay for the group shoot even if you do not participate in order to hire a model for 1-on-1's. (8) Each photographer will vote for his or her favorite 4 models. On your ballot, 1st pl will receive 4 pts, 2nd pl will get 3 pts, 3rd pl will get 2 pts, 4th pl will get 1 pt. Highest Scoring Model will receive the pay according to the scale above. [b}PayPal is now up and running.[/b] To use PayPal - Go to www.newfacescameraclub.com -- Look for the page titled "Event Dates" - In the PayPal drop down menu select "SUPER HOTTIE SHOOTOUT" -- Continue with PayPal instructions. - No Paypal after Sept 2nd. 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Sat Jul 2 21:55 2011
Model Castings Real or Virtual? in Photography Talk
Model castings are one of the most important parts of a fashion or beauty photography editorial or print advertising campaign.Those of you having to have cast for a job probably understand how complicated the whole affair can be. Casting protocol and logistics are changing all of the time and the necessity to see a model in the flesh so to speak is less important than most of you might think. Highly evolved internet technology has changed the dynamic considerably. Access to information about the model and how she appears on screen, provides all of the decision makers a much wider gamut of information about her-him than ever before. If the pertinent information about the model is up to date, that information can be even better than a real on the spot casting. However, the responsibility falls on the model agency to provide the most up to date information on the models dimensions, hair color and cut, skin condition etc. so that the client can make an accurate assessment of the model they are casting. Some of the questions we ask model agencies are what is her REAL shoe size, weight, height, hair color, length of hair and skin condition. In most cases the agencies will be forthright and honest when confronted directly. Don't trust a comp card for the information, as it is already outdated when you get it. The model could have had a hair color change the night before your shoot for another clients needs and you will not be informed until she shows up, unless the agency is really on the case, this will rarely happen. So you have been warned. Real casting are often needed in the following cases. The model is a new be and hasn't any images at all or just a few snap shots. She has had a radical re-looking and nothing in her book represents her new look. It is a beauty capping and the skin is very important as the client wants to use minimal retouching. The client has honed down the preliminary casting to a few models and now wants to see the real deal (at their expense if the model is out of town). If you are new to casting, get ready to be disappointed. In most cases, models are required to come to castings with little or no make-up and what you see in the flesh is nothing like what you saw when you scrutinized her on the web. It is often as radical as night and day. However, with the understanding of image usage and rendering in that chosen media, most good casting directors and photographers can see what the potential of the model is with all of the available information on the net and in fact, many prefer to see how molds are rendered in the format they will be exhibited in. With new 3D technology coming to the forefront, virtual castings will become the norm and "real" castings will be done as part of the finalization process and for the fittings only. In fact, fittings will eventually be done virtually as well, using outerwear templates to determine exact sizing and fitting parameters. My recommendation is to compile as much info on the model as possible via the net and when convinced of your edited choice, than call in the choices for your finalization process. This is a real time saver, unless of course you are casting for a speaking roll. Now that is an entirely different subject. Or is it? http://www.benjaminkanarekblog.com/2jp
Sat Jul 2 01:34 2011
models also owning rights to their photos? in General Industry
Darling Lisa, since you're new at this, I'll provide you with some philosophical understanding because you are misunderstanding what you offer as a model and why. As a model, your commodity is your looks. It is not bound to photos. You could model in ways that don't involve photography at all or, at least, to a minor extent. For instance, while there are photographers at runway shows, runway models are modeling for live viewing. So your look is your commodity that you consent to allow others to use. "Hey, I want to use you in this runway show." "Cool. Love to. Tell me when." "Hey, I want to use you for this photoshoot." "Yes. I'm down. Give me the date." "Hey, I want you to smile and point to prizes on my tv gameshow." "Great. Love to. Thought you'd never ask." Those are situations in which you could sell your commodity and you always sell it. There's always an exchange. Sometimes you exchange your modeling for cash. Sometimes it is for pictures. Now, photographers are but one of many different types of creatives who make us of models in an effort to achieve a vision. Illustrators use models too. So do motion picture directors. They have a need and make an exchange to get you to provide your commodity. Remember: your look/modeling is your commodity. For an illustrator, his/her commodity (aside from the talent itself) is the drawing. For the director, it's the motion picture. For the photographer it's the still picture. That's our commodity. In a TF situation, we're giving you our commodity (talent and pictures) for yours (talent and look). With that in mind, when you tell a photographer that you want copyright to his/her creation, realize that you're going to be viewed as greedy on top of misinformed. You have your commodity. We have ours. Just like you can sell your commodity in ways that don't involve photographers, we sell our in ways that don't involve models (journalism, architecture, nature, automotive photography etc). When we collaborate with models, your look is still what you have and our pictures are still what we have. And just as you are asked for permission to use your likeness to create a work, once that work is created, that work is ours. And, in turn, people have to ask us to use our works (although sometimes we're a house photographer or commissioned but that's outside the realm of discussion). So, permission to use the work created is our right. Permission to use your likeness to CREATE that work is yours, but it's permission given at the time of creation. Afterwards, we can sell usage rights to the highest bidder (if such an intent was specified and whatnot) or grant a form of usage to you (typically portfolio purposes). But know that after creation, if properly specified the photographer can sell usage rights to a 3rd party and not tell you shit. Often we do, but most professional models are more concerned with selling their commodity to the highest bidder like we are. Bedsides, models aren't the only creatives involved in the process. Oftentimes, they're not even the most distinctive. Photographers' and designers' styles are the most often recognized, models being a distant third in all but the most celebrity of cases. A model expecting copyright because of his/her role in the creative process is like a saxophonist expecting credit for some composer's work because he was a part of the symphony that played it.
Tue Jun 28 05:57 2011 in reply to Darling Lisa
Nude/ Artists Models in Model Colloquy
I did some advertising work (clothed) as a child, but then that sort of faded away after my teen years. During college I was walking down the hall when an art instructor snagged me to ask if I would work for his art class. I'm not uncomfortable being nude, but my first time nude in front of a group was both terrifying and yet, intriguing as well. After college, I went into a corporate job and forgot about modeling for a while. A few years ago I left the corporate world and am now running a small business, which has seasonal ups and downs. A couple of years ago I ran across a notice looking for art models, so I sent in my info, figuring to supplement cash flow during the slow months. A few months later, I was contacted to start work at an art school that maintains a staff of about 15 models. During the fall and winter I average about 15 - 20 hours a week. (They have many classes that require models.) With one art school on my resume, it was easier to get my foot in the door at other places. I contacted the other local universities and community colleges. I have also networked with fellow models to discover other opportunities. Instructors also often know of other modeling opportunities. I have had only minimal success by contacting local artists, but I still watch Craigslist for art classes being advertised and often contact the instructors to offer my services. One thing I did not see mentioned in other posts is that art modeling can be more difficult than photo modeling. Poses can vary from 30 seconds to 6 hours (or more!) You will get periodic breaks, but you need to choose your positions for those long poses wisely. It helps to do some trial and error in front of a mirror to see what works with your physique - and what is comfortable for an extended period. I try to think of myself as an actor playing a part on the model stand. It gives me the license to do some dramatic poses that would seem awkward in "real life", but that the artists find interesting. Some classes will also want to study specific body parts, which may involve some "up close and personal" observation. Some painting classes will operate by having the model pose for photos that the students can use for reference while they work for an extended period. They should always ask your permission before taking any photos. I also frequently work with models of the opposite sex. Sometimes we are posed separately, but some classes will have us do interactive poses - especially for the short gesture poses. (Nothing erotic - but we are both naked.) Nobody asked me (or the other models) if we were comfortable doing this, so you might want to inquire if you will ever be expected to work with another model and decide if this is something you can do. I try to be respectful of my female partners - at least until I understand their sensibilities. None of my model friends has mentioned any problems working with members of the opposite sex. (But then some females complain about working with certain other females!) In addition to a robe and water bottle, I carry snack bars (of the Clif or Power variety), a sheet and a cushion to sit on and a yoga mat to stand on. Good studios will have clean sheets and an assortment of cushions, but some artists can be rather casual about keeping their stuff clean. I figure it is worth the effort to carry my own stuff rather than wonder who's naked bottom was there before mine. You will be expected to wear your robe when not actually posing, and some schools don't want you to leave the classroom in your robe - even to go to the rest room. (Always ask if you don't know.) I also find it more comfortable to avoid large meals and just snack during my breaks to keep my energy up. Hydration is important to avoid cramps. If you are reliable and cooperative, you can get repeat business. Good luck.
Mon Jun 27 17:12 2011 in reply to ashara
Inexperienced Models Charging for their Services? in Photography Talk
This is the elephant in the room that everyone keeps in the back of their minds, but for some reason they are afraid to bring up during the discussion. IMHO "Paid Only" on Model Mayhem has a lot to do with what you as a photographer want, and less with what the model is actually able to deliver, other than her physical appearance. When it comes to the use of terms like "Professional", "Experienced", and "Paid Only" this is my take as it relates to online modeling websites (Of course, this applies mainly to nudes) In the most basic use of the term, if you got paid for a job, then you are a "professional model." Even if all you did was sit still, naked, with a deer-caught in-the-headlights look. Experience is very subjective. My definition of experienced might be very different than that of someone else. Some people think it has to do with the amount of time since you picked up a camera. Others think it has to do with how good you are at shooting a particular style. Others rank photographers by the amount of nudes that they display on their online portfolios. Paid Only... Well... they paid you once. Why not again? And I guarantee that for every photographer that gets all twisted up after seeing that on a model's profile, there are 10 others that look at the photos, and make an offer. It has nothing to do with the quality of the photography, or the modeling capabilities of the model (See below). "Paid Only" as used by amateur models on online modeling websites, is actually an appeal to hobbyist photographers that enjoy modeling for its voyeuristic aspect. I am going to avoid the Nazi reference, but I will say that it is the same problem with the war on drugs: As long as you can't control the demand - Posting threads about "Inexperienced Paid Only Models" is about as effective as a "Just Say No" campaign. These "Paid Only" models know that no one is going to hire them to model clothing, but people will fall over each other to see their naughty bits in person. If they can "potentially" make money by posing for a hobbyist with very limited distribution capabilities, then why not? I think there is a recent thread about a model that was demanding that a photographer take down some photos, because her family finally saw her "Paid Only" photos online. I think that is Episode II of this thread.
Thu Jun 23 17:55 2011 in reply to Dario Western
[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5157/5877609245_88a6fb5933_b.jpg[/img] Kate. Location. D3/24-70mm f/2.8 @60mm 1/800th f/4.0 ISO 400. [img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5224/5870821628_37156f2b5b_z.jpg[/img] Ashley. Studio. D3/24-70mm f/2.8 @56mm 1/200th f/6.3 ISO 400. WORKING WITH MODELING AGENCIES WORKSHOP: STUDIO/OUTDOOR LIGHTING It's been 6 months since I've done this workshop and this is still the most interesting/popular workshop I've taught. I'm asked a lot about shooting agency models, how to approach agencies, what the agencies look for, how do I know if I'm ready? With all these questions, I figured we could answer all these questions and more in one fell swoop. So here's the Working with Modeling Agencies Workshop hosted by yours truly on July 23-24, 2011! -If you're still building your portfolio and trying to get your foot in the door with agencies (particularly in the competitive LA environment), this workshop is for you. -If you're trying to improve your existing body of work, this workshop is for you. -If you're trying to build a paid-relationship with agencies, this workshop is also for you. -If you don't care about improving your port or working with modeling agencies, then this workshop is not for you. Without further adieu here are the topics we'll cover: -What agencies are looking for in a photographer and a portfolio. -How to approach agencies -Portfolio review -Creating the "agency look" in capture (natural light and strobes) -Creating the "agency look" in post -Photographer/agency/model interaction -Shooting without a studio This will be a two-day event that will feature insight from agency models and will highlight many of the lighting setups and post-processing techniques that I employ for my own work. How does this workshop differ from your first one in January? When I first started shooting with modeling agencies, I didn't have a studio. In fact, most photographers don't own a studio and can't afford to blow money on unpaid tests. I will be dedicating all of Day 2 to shooting outdoors, without a studio, without strobes, without reflectors even. And still execute the "agencies" look. For this we'll be going on location (about 40 minutes from the studio) and I'll be showing you how to "control" location lighting. It's a fallacy that you can't shoot at high-noon. I will show you how you can shoot whenever the hell you want and how to control the light. Highlights from Day 2 include: -How to control your background -How to control lighting angles -Proper camera settings (and why) -Control model posing -Model/Photographer interaction POST-PROCESSING Shooting is only half the battle. Without good post-processing it's all moot. You can't submit images straight out-of-the-box to agencies (or to anyone these days) without processing. So we will really focus on processing on Day 1. That way, on Day 2 you'll know what you're looking for, how to generate the right lighting for the right effect, and actually practice shooting for those looks. Day 1: -Cover basic agency criteria -Portfolio review -Approach and communication -Basic studio setups (0,1 and 2 light setups) -Shoot and review (we go over the images together on computer immediately after you shoot them) Day 2: -Shooting on location -Controlling the background -Controlling location lighting without strobes/reflectors -Photographer/model interaction General notes: -Since good models are paramount to getting "the shot" we'll provide experienced agency-represented models for the workshop. I'll be updating this page shortly with who we're shooting. -Choosing the right location is also important. I'll be showing images of the location where I did exactly the type of outdoor shoot we'll cover. -Photographers will be learning/shooting on-the-fly. I'm not a fan of lectures but rather a constant dialogue and sharing of knowledge. That also means, you're not paying to watch me shoot... you'll be doing most of the shooting! -One of the things I enjoy most is keeping the workshop small for more one-on-one attention. I will cap the attendance at 9. -One-on-one time with models is critical to the learning process. At the workshop you'll have plenty of time to work with models. There will be at most 2-3 photographers per model. -You'll be shooting with all the studio gear including the AlienBees system with all the light modifiers and the RadioPopper JrX system. Studio is privately owned, indoors with A/C and heat, plenty of white wall space and portable set walls/props, and plenty of parking. Photographers should bring: -Camera/assorted lenses -Lightmeter -Media cards -Something to take notes with Fee: $749. Register by July 8th for 10% discount! [img]http://www.andreahoag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/paypal-logo.jpg[/img] Location LUCIMA STUDIO 2620 Concord Ave. STE 120 Alhambra, CA 91803 Date/Time Saturday and Sunday, July 23-24th, 2011, 10AM-6PM Here are my last 4 workshops! January, February, April, June Q/A: Will update as inquiries come in! Q: Do you also teach workshops from Calumet? What's the difference? A: Yes, I have a non-exclusive partnership with Calumet Photographic that affords me the opportunity to teach my own workshops. So far all my classes at Calumet have been 1-day events at the Hollywood store with no location shooting. Q: I'll be flying in from [fill in the blank]. Where should I stay that's not too far from your studio? A: Being that I'm 3-4 miles from Old Pasadena, I would suggest you book a hotel that's not only close to the studio but also has much to offer in terms of night-life and shopping. a) Courtyard Los Angeles Pasadena/Old Town 180 North Fair Oaks Avenue, Pasadena, CA 91103 b) Hilton Pasadena 168 South Los Robles Avenue, Pasadena, CA 91101 c) The Westin Pasadena 191 North Los Robles Avenue, Pasadena, CA 91101 Q: Which models are we shooting? A: So far I've confirmed Bekka and Janelle and Kate [img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5186/5611210419_5455eabc82.jpg[/img][img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5027/5872346354_b7dd9ce706.jpg[/img] [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UAZnVLe4VKY/TgimHRg1n6I/AAAAAAAAAw0/LrtH0Kt7hwU/s660/rsz_kate-44_-_copy.jpg]Kate[/img] Q: How will we get to the location on Day 2? A: For day 2 the people that are close to the studio will meet and drive to the location together. Otherwise those that are already in LA can just meet at the location. I'll send details to everyone beforehand so we don't get lost! Q: Where exactly is this location? A: Great question. I'm debating between 2 locations. It's either going to be where my avatar was shot or where the above picture of Kate was shot. Q: Will we be shooting nudes? A: Nope. For that I suggest you go to Drew and Karl's workshops. I hear they're great
Thu Jun 23 15:29 2011
Models: What's a Creep? (Turn offs) in Model Colloquy
I touch models all the time. Somtimes one has to in order to get the right pose for the shot. Of course I always ask and make sure we are in agreement. You'd be shocked at what I have done as far as touching models however it was nothing sexual, always beneficial to the shot and always with the models permission. Some of the models I've worked with tell some funny sexual in nature jokes. It is just joking. Of course I refrain from telling sexual jokes or any kind of jokes cause I am not a very good joke teller even though I have a great sense of humour. Just never could tell jokes very well. I am more of a prankster and a cut up. I have been known to comment on a models body however not in a sexual way. One model I was shooting had her nipples pierced and we talked about that. I asked her if it hurt, etc cause it was interesting to me cause I had never shot a model with pierced nipples. She was standing there topless and we were talking about her nipples and she actually let me get a good look at the pierced nipples. No big deal cause it was not anything sexual. I made all kinds of odd faces when shooting that have nothing to do with the model, it has to do with what I view in the camera. Who cares how a photographer dresses as long as he doesn't have a t-shirt on that says something sexual or is naked. As for bad hygeine I wouldn't say that is creepy, more disgusting than creepy. I could see a model having an issue with bad hygeine cause who would want to be around some smelly person for 2 hours or so. Comfort level is up to each individual. I have shot models that no mattter what I do to ease their tension they are still tense cause they are trying to hard to get the perfect shot, new to modeling, etc. Usually though before the shoot is over they are alot more comfortable. I try to establish a friendship before we start the shoot, discuss ideas before the shoot, etc. Make them feel at home with me. Makes the actual shoot go alot smoother. Most of the time when I do shoots it is a group of models for a day that way I can get in alot of group fashion shots and individual shots all in one day therefore I have food, take breaks, have drinks, etc and we sit around after the shoot and during the breals having a good time talking to one another about all kind of things. I try my best to make models feel comfortable and since I am older (in my forties) most think of me as their cool uncle or big brother. I've gained alot of friendships with the models I have shot cause I am that way. They talk to me and my wife about all kind of things. My wife and I are like family to them. Comfort level is up to the photographer. Usually it is the models who rant on about their personal life. Nothing wrong with talking about all kinds of things while shooting as long as they are not too sexual and too personal. Usually though I have music playing, that really helps a model pose, get comfortable, feel at ease, etc and let them play their music of choice. I always tell them to bring some CD's just in case they cannot find something they like in my huge wide choice of music collection. A shoot should be fun not a list of "creepy or turn off" things. I have no use for pettiness at a photo shoot.
Thu Jun 23 12:21 2011 in reply to Dario Western
Would this be nude or implied nude? in General Industry
yes, this subject has been batted around a few thousand times here. Here is an online dictionary definition [one of 5 meanings]: .....Imply means "suggest indirectly that something is true"..... I can take a model who has on a bikini and have her hold a thin piece of material that blocks an observer from seeing anything from her upper chest to just below her genital area. Is she naked behind the material? No. Is the 'mystery' of the placement of the material causing the viewer to think that the model might be naked? possibly, most likely yes, since otherwise, why would the model be blocking the view of those areas of her body. Therefore, I am "suggesting indirectly that something is true" per the simple definition above. If I take the next shot and the model has dropped the material, we see that she is not naked, but has on a bikini. In the next frame, if the bikini top is missing and the model has her finger tips over the nipple areas, we can see that the bikini top is not there and the model is topless. There is no longer anything implied--the model is topless and there is no clothing covering the breasts. No guesswork. In the next frame, the model has removed the bikini bottom and has her hand and arm covering the breasts/nipples, and the fingers of one hand covering the genitalia. No clothing can be seen and it might be extremely difficult to imagine that there could be an article of clothing over the nipples and genitalia--UNLESS there were pasties [yes, they make pasties for the genital area also]. IN the next frame the model has removed her hands and arm and we see that she is completely nude. we see the nipples, breasts, and genital area. Historically, if the model has a covering but there is the possibility that the model is naked behind the covering, it is implied. If the 'covering' is so small as to preclude the possibility of any clothing whatsoever--the model is nude.period. It is a matter of CONVENIENCE that people have used the term 'implied' to include models who have the fingertips covering nipples and or genital areas, or they are posed in a scissor leg pose that precludes seeing if the genitals are covered, and have used their hands or fingertips to cover a nipple[s]. It is simply EASIER [convenient] to define naked shots where the pose or fingers/hands are covering the 'bits' as being implied. Everyone knows that if the model or photographer says implied--the 'bits' will be posed or covered. No open or frontal nudity. If you are not ZZzzzzZZzzzzz by now, you missed a good opportunity! LOL.......
Sat Jun 18 16:15 2011 in reply to Art Silva
Well now I see why you AREN'T skeptical. Have you ever done any computer programming? Have you ever done any modeling? I ask because you believe those plots are "verification" when in fact the models are "tuned" to fit reality. The scientists that develop climate models tweak them until the accurately can replicate past climate. They then assume that by being able to mimic past climate changes they'll accurately predict the future. I disagree. A good example is the global cooling from ~1945 to ~1975. The climate models used aerosols as a negative forcing to mimic the cooling during that time span. But in 2009 a new peer-reviewed study indicated that the cooling attributed to aerosols was overestimated. source In other words, if the assumptions that went into tweaking the model to accurately mimic actual temperatures were wrong then the models don't have any skill. The forcing attributed to aerosols was apparently too high. Have you looked at the number of models used by the IPCC? I believe the number is 20. Look at your plots and it appears the models actually agree with each other when they don't. If they did you obviously wouldn't need over 20 different models! But each model works slightly different or uses different parameters - such as climate sensitvity to a doubling of CO2 - to try to predict the future. I believe the spread of predicted warming by 2100 is around 6C. That's HUGE. So what do they do? They talk up the "model mean". Since no one model can be proven accurate they assume we can take the mean of the model outputs and that will somehow have skill. Again, I disagree. Empirical evidence of model skill can only be gained by waiting until the models are proven correct. So far that's not happening.
Fri Jun 17 19:55 2011
judgmental disapproving family? in General Industry
That statement does not go with this one: Which is it? the problem isn't there because i DO NOT and WILL NOT do glamour modelling, he is just worried that i WILL. he's concerned that there will be a problem if i did. okay? Yes, they would and have. The issues here have absolutely nothing to with modeling or photography. They are about a relationship where the insecurity of one person is causing them to attempt to control the life of the other person. That rarely ends well. Either he trusts you or he doesn't, but unless you have provided some legitimate reason to suspect your fidelity, you shouldn't be making excuses for his behavior towards you. The issue won't go away just because you stop modeling. Anything that you do that he feels will attract too much of the "wrong type" of attention to you will become an issue. i've been reading the forums for a long time and i haven't seen it. but still, even if a married model were to say that, isn't that a dramatic thing to advise? that she divorce her worried husband? and as i have said before my boyfriend loves that i model and loves coming to shoots with me. to be fair he started modelling with his dick out i'd be the first to complain, so i'm not bothered at all that he wouldn't want me to do the same with my boobs or whatever. i know he trusts me because there are so many other parts of my life where he could be jealous, but isn't. i regularly go clubbing, with my group of guy friends. they're all straight and mostly single. my boyfriend doesn't come. and i've never heard him complain, does that sound jealous or controlling? i'm sorry but i just don't like when someone on the internet's tried telling me things that 'will' happen to me, as if they know me and my life more than i do. i shall tell you first when the relationship ends and i am in the priory as a result of a jealous/controlling/possessive/whatever you think he is that'll cause my life to turn so shit. Going back and rereading your posts, I noticed this troubling statement: As if that were the only way to control someone, particularly someone who admits to having a lack of self confidence. The cynical attitudes that you find hurtful are the result of years more experience at relationships than you have. As I pointed out before, not a single person who has responded to you in this thread has done so with a positive outlook for your relationship.okay, let me re-phrase. he's not actually told me to do anything through our entire relationship we have strong trust between us if i want to do something, like model for example, as long as it's making me happy he encourages me. i don't know what glamour or nude modelling is regarded like in your area/age group/culture, but for a girl who's just turned 18, is still in college and living in a fairly quiet area, it's hard to do. most of the girls who try it in my age group or area, don't really see a postitive outcome. people in my area would regard them as common or a slut. that isn't to say that i feel that same way, i think most of the time it takes balls. but either way a bad reputation is usually the outcome. i could name a few models from here who've had that happen, who are on this site that i know fairly well. that's just the way it happens. at the end of the day, my dad would probably have the exact same reaction as him. i don't think he'd want to see his little girl topless modelling. he LOVES all the modelling that i do otherwise, and is always trying to help me by taking me to agencies or shoots or whatever. but no one would tell me to ditch my dad! as i said before and you agreed with, if modelling/being with my boyfriend is a mistake i WILL learn. if it's not then we'll all have a very merry christmas. but to be fair there's a lot worse things that could happen than the worse case scenario - me not glamour modelling, us splitting up, me maybe ending up glamour modelling or not anyway - it doesn't seem like a big deal. i've had a few awful relationships before, a million times worse than this. they didn't last obviously. if it's meant to be it'll be, if it's not it won't. but what you older people must understand, is that imperative responses like 'dump him' and telling me i'll have lots of problems are NOT what i, or any other 18 year old model wants to hear. it sounds like you're trying to sound like you've seen it all, and like if you were really trying to be helpful, you'd be sensitive and understand that saying that will upset a person. i'd appreciate and listen to your replies much more if they were something like 'okay, but just don't let him choose which modelling you do as it is YOUR project. don't let it become a problem.'
Sun Jun 12 07:20 2011 in reply to Robert Lynch
Can short models make it in the industry? in General Industry
Any perceived "discrimination" against shorter models did not originate with photographers. I've posted this many times before. It did not originate with photographers, nor did it originate with modeling agencies nor did it originate with Vogue or Cosmo. The "discrimination" was created by fashion designers who all got together and decided to come up with a uniform "sample size" for their fashions. Their fashions are all designed in a manner that is BEST shown off by women of a particular size. THAT size is what now dictates which women (and, in some case, "girls") the modeling agencies seek. THAT size is what dictates who gets to walk on the runways during fashion week. THAT size is what separates the Super Models from the rest of the female population; which includes many of the very beautiful and talented models on this site who may make money as models but will never be part of the modeling "Industry." From a photographic standpoint, you are --in some respect-- correct. Using the right angles, lighting and post-processing, I can make a 5'6" or 5'7" model appear to be six feet tall (see: 18+ http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/22798854, for example.) Similarly, if a model has the correct proportions, you can take an even shorter model and make her look "industry"-sized (e.g. http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/17335511 ) To be clear, the size issue has far LESS to do with photography and far MORE to do with live fashion modeling - and the ability to fit designer clothing onto the model. I was unaware that South Dakota was the new hotbed of the fashion industry. Perhaps you're referring to the hiring and shooting of internet models for personal art/glamour/fetish/editorial/erotica projects, in which case, you can find good models in MANY places. But, to my knowledge, there is no notable modeling "industry" in South Dakota.
Wed Jun 8 17:42 2011 in reply to Olivia Clemens
Are Photographers feeling Guilty? in General Industry
FWIW things aren't usually as black and white as the forums on MM would like them to be. "Doing your job" can have many meanings depending upon the circumstances. I work with new models (in whom I see potential) as often as I can. In a typical TF shoot with a new model, I am providing much more value for the model than they are for me. But I knew that going in (even if the model doesn't see it) so improving portfolio, helping understand the business and the like are doing my job. Sometimes a beginning model will bring far more than I expected, perhaps even bringing things up toward an even trade. Is it so difficult to understand that in this case the model has done much more than "their job" (which came with fairly low expectations)? While I am seldom able to pay a bonus outright, I have been known to give wardrobe the model liked, purchase a MM upgrade and so on. I guess at the bottom of it is a feeling that as far as I am able I'd like to show in a concrete way that the model worked above and beyond the call of duty. And I still don't get how you infer guilt from this. Edit: Please read above (although I believe that words have meaning and that "substitute any word you like" is a copout).I agree with you on must parts! Since I do the Make Up as well and have hair products on set. I feel that's on me and give the respect to the model to be a model. If I ask then what they do is of enough value for me! Even if on paper I'm the one dishing out more in cost! But again I'm good with it! The model is happy and had a great time. Will be getting the best photos I can provide! I don't believe its a copout! That's crazy talk! I just don't want to be hung up on one word when I'm asking for the why's that someone feels they need to pay more then what they agreed too! Is it that they feel like they were not good enough or don't think the model will like their work? Or are they not going to give the photos to them? Or are they going to sell them and not pay the model? Is it a legal thing? I just don't know is all! It might not be a good thing for the model to take the money on some legal level! If so I want to know so I can tell my models to be careful. But if its nothing then no harm done! Example I know if I receive $1 dallor from a renter I'm legally binded with the renter even if they don't pay the full rent! So I can not receive part of the rent payment, I must have it in full! This might be a streach for tips! But I don't know so I'm asking is all!
Sun Jun 5 12:12 2011 in reply to Tom deL
antm* in General Industry
tired of idiots thinking that reality TV is real life. it isn't . Ive worked with a winner from that show, she was signed with Elite models since i first shot her at age 15 , she was signed with them DURING the shows filming , and she is still Signed with Elite now , she came to me two months AFTER WINNING the contest to RESHOOT her Portfolio because NOTHING she shot during the shows filming was useful for her Agency Portfolio . People like the OP dont care to listen to anything but themselves and care only for the attention not for the business end of this. So regardless of what I or anyone else Posts The OP will still attempt to enter it I am sure. here you Cut and pasted from a tv guide article. http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/news/pau … -1125.html Paulina stating what every ANTM fan knew in a new bitchy interview Paulina Packs a Punch You know times are tough when even reality show judges can’t keep their jobs. That’s exactly what happened to former supermodel Paulina Porizkova who announced on CBS' The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson this week that she will not be back on America’s Next Top Model thanks to a little downsizing. We caught up with her after Wednesday’s season finale to talk about Cycle 12’s winner, the show’s true losers and what it feels like to no longer be in the running to be a Top Model judge. What did you think of Teyona’s win? Well, I was there. I had a hand in it. But you know what? Honestly, now that I’m off the show I can actually say it. I didn’t vote for Teyona. Who did you vote for? Allison. Well, I’m not going to name names. But two of us voted for Allison and two of us voted for Teyona and one of us had to cross the line over to the other one. Of the three finalists, who do you think is the most likely to have an actual modeling career? None of them. Really? That’s sad. I know. I’m really very sorry. But they’re not models. Look at the history of Top Model. When has a winner not fallen down into that great big hole where the other sock goes? When? That’s because you can’t pick models from a TV show. Those tall, long giraffe things that don’t really look real are rare freaks of nature. And finding a freak of nature with a personality, that’s like finding a double freak of nature. So you’d have a TV show once every 10 years. You announced this week that you aren’t coming back. I didn’t announce that. I announced that I was fired on my birthday—April 9th They timed it beautifully. Well, I was trying to be diplomatic. Oh, yeah. I don’t think they meant anything ill [by doing it] on my birthday. They just didn’t check. They’re not bad people by any means. None of them. Not Tyra. Not the producers. And I actually had a really good time with Nigel and Ms. Jay and Mr. Jay. It was great. It was a really fun job. Why did they let you go? Well, they said that Top Model needs to trim the fat. So they cut me. It came as a little bit of a shock. I was a little upset that I was fired roughly four weeks before the new season was starting. I was being told to go have a physical for the show and then I got fired. I think they could have done that better. Who is going to pick up your duties? Oh, I’m sure they’ll have plenty of guest judges doing that stuff. Clearly they didn’t need me so they got rid of me. That’s pretty much the end of the story. And I am refusing to go the polite route of [saying] we had scheduling differences because, frankly, people get fired. I got fired. That’s the way it is. Stupid recession. Actually a lot of my friends from the show got booted, too. Makeup and hair people. And I shouldn’t say this because this sounds bitter. But if Tyra came in on time, they would save somebody’s salary. If she actually showed up on time for the judgings and they didn’t have to pay a lot of overtime, they would save a lot of money. Was that the case even when you traveled? Uh-huh. Is this a cut that affects all CW shows or just Top Model? I have no idea. But I assume it probably affects everything. But obviously Top Model is one of the top CW shows. So there are ways of arranging budgets if you don’t want to lose somebody. So it’s pretty clear that they didn’t so much mind losing me. That’s where my hurt ego comes in. Do you think you did something to bring this on? I did get pissy about Tyra being late a couple of times. I said, "I don’t think that’s right." And they told me I had a big ego. So maybe that had something to do with it. So what do you have planned next? Well, the nice thing about being fired is that after you get over the hurt part of I-can’t-believe-they-can-do-without-me, there’s a kind of freedom. I’ve been in L.A. all week beating doors for a job. “Hello, I’m available! Would you like to cast me in a TV show?” If they ask you to come back as a guest judge would you go back? No. I think there’s a little too much bad blood. I mean I don’t wish them ill. But do I want them to blossom without me? No. I’m not going to lie. ere. So they have to hide the fact that they were on the show? Yeah. And if you’re a winner you can just flush yourself down the toilet. Unless you marry a Brady, in which case you have a career. But some of the models, like Ya-Ya DaCosta, have found showbiz success. Yes. Some of the ones who did not win have done much better than the winners for sure. But none of them have approached top model [status]. Out of the girls that we had this season: I think Aminat might have a future in shows because she’s a terrific walker, she has a great body, and she’s very tall. But that’s the closest anybody’s going to get to fashion. Can you make a good living being a show model? Used to be in the good ole’ days. But I don’t know now. She might have to do Starbucks on the side. A lot of young girls look up to the show and it really hasn't produced a top model. They haven’t and they won’t. And now they’re doing the short girls. Like that’s ever going to catch on in fashion. It might be terrific TV. But it’s not about reality.
Sat Jun 4 16:55 2011 in reply to Lindsay Ryan
Drew and I are celebrating the 4th of July weekend in Las Vegas! We're hosting a 2 day event, Saturday and Sunday, at a 7,000 sq ft mansion! This mansion has 7bdrms, pool, jacuzzi, swim up bar & pool table, plasmas in all rooms, 6 bathrooms w/showers. What better time to shoot beautiful models during the day and then go out and party after? [img]http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1004/4726207513_60aed9c738_b.jpg[/img] Here are links to our previous events, some with behind the scene videos! • Drew & Karl Mansion event May 15 Beverly Hills, CA - video! • Drew and Karl HUGE Mansion Shoot April 23 Riverside, CA • Drew & Karl Bank Vault shoot Los Angeles CA March 20th • Drew & Karl Playboy models - Encino, CA Feb 27th • Drew & Karl group shoot in Tustin Ranch, CA December 4th & 5th - Video! • Drew & Karl Glamour shoot Sat Nov 20th, Norco, CA • Drew and Karl WNR shoot, Sun Oct 24 - Menifee, CA Here is a video! • Desert workshop/group shoot 9/25 Victorville, CAHere is a video! • Drew & Karl Mansion event Aug 15 Beverly Hills, CA Here is the video! • Drew & Karl Back 2 Back event July 17th Monrovia, CA Check out the video! • Drew & Karl, Summer Start Off, Monrovia, CA June 19 • Drew and Karl WNR shoot, Sun May 23 - Menifee, CA • Drew and Karl workshop/group shoot 4/25 Vista, CA • Drew and Karl group shoot, Sunday March 28, Riverside, CA • Drew and Karl TeaseUm shoot, Feb 27, Riverside, CA • Drew and Karl group shoot, Jan 30, Riverside, CA • Wooden Nickle Ranch, Sun Dec 6th - Menifee, CA • Desert workshop/group shoot Oct-24 Victorville, CA • Desert workshop/group shoot 9/27 Victorville, CA - Check out our very first video! For new photographers who want to attend our workshop • Learn to use lighting like the pros. • We're here to share our tips to beginning photographers. • Ever wonder how Drew and I light our models without the background being blown out on a sunny day? Speed lights not cutting it huh? We will give you hands on experience in using affordable and portable mono strobe lights and equipment. Try Before You Buy. • You'll be so impressed with your images after the event that you'll be ready to order the same lighting equipment we use. • I'll show you different light modifiers and their uses. Octobox, beauty dish and grids will be covered. I'll discuss the difference between the silver BD and white BD. Why I use the BD over an Octobox at the beach or desert. • Circular Polarizer(CP)and Neutral Density(ND) filters will be discussed and how it will improve your images when shooting outdoors or at the beach. I recommend Hoya brand. CP, ND4 • Once you attend our workshop, you'll be able to build up your port with beautiful models quickly. • Students can take the remainder of day to shoot models. Preperations for workshop: • To make use of the workshop, Pocket Wizards or Cyber Syncs are recommended. You should be able to rent Pocket Wizards from your local camera store. If you are in the market to purchase wireless transmitter I recommend purchasing the Cybersyncs from Paul C. Buff. If the Pocket Wizards or Cyber Syncs are unavailable to rent, you may rent Pocket Wizards/Cyber Syncs from Drew and I. Limited availability, don't assume we'll have enough wireless triggers to rent out. • Students should have prior knowledge on how to adjust their camera in manual mode. You'll need to know how to adjust aperture, shutter speed and ISO. • I recommend you purchase a CP, ND or both that I listed above. Purchase the appropriate diameter for your lens. Don't care about the workshop? • For photographers who don't care about the workshop, they can shoot the available models for the group shoot portion. (Please note that the workshop will be using Channel 1 on the Pocket Wizards. On the CyberSyncs we'll reserve Channel 9 also, if needed) • Shoot beautiful models all day long. • Please be courteous, if you're going to set up your lighting equipment at a awesome location, to either share or move locations every 1/2 hour. Hire models after the event for 1 on 1 shoots at 1/2 hour increments Message the models and see if you can hire the model you want after the group event for 1 on 1 sessions. The 6 sessions are: 2:30pm-3pm 3:10pm-3:40pm 3:50pm-4:20pm 4:30pm-5pm 5:10pm-5:40pm 5:50pm-6:20pm Times are aproximate and can change at any time We will have a white board with model's name, time and shoot location (ex. master bedroom, dining room, etc.). You will fill you name in the slot of the model you are shooting, the time slot and location. First come first serve on the location you want to shoot. **************** Registration Information **************** When is this taking place and how can i reserve a spot? Date: Saturday July 2nd and Sunday July 3rd Time: TBA Location: Mansion in Las Vegas, NV. About 2 miles from the strip. We'll email the address and information to you several days before the event. Photographer fee for each day: • Workshop - $140 fee with $70 deposit. (For photographers who want to learn lighting using strobes. Group shoot included.) • Group shoot - $100 fee with $50 deposit. (For photographers not interested in the workshop portion.) • Deposit is non-refundable unless event is canceled. No exceptions! • Remainder balance to be paid at meeting location. • Deposit payment by Paypal. Don't have Paypal? Get one or miss out! • Contact Drew Santos with your full name, phone number, and email address for payment instructions. For non MM members reading this, Drew's email is BMWM34DREW@aol.com • Model releases are not included. Cost of model release will depend on what the model charges. • Lunch and drinks will be provided. NO ESCORTS, HUSBAND, BOYFRIENDS, OF SOME SORT FOR BOTH MODELS AND PHOTOGRAPHERS! But if you absolutely need to bring someone, they will have to pay the $100 fee. Information here subject to change. Keep checking this post for updates...
Thu Jun 2 08:49 2011
Want to be a real model in Serious Critique
www.newmodels.com "Most agency models are "commercial" models - meaning that they appear on local or national print ads or television shows, in catalogs, work in local fashion shows and trade shows and similar kinds of work. They don't get huge fees (although pay can be very good indeed), national recognition or lucrative national ad contracts, but they are the backbone of the modeling industry. Fashion models also work as commercial models, although the reverse is rarely true. In smaller market cities in the US, most agencies concentrate on "fashion print" or "commercial fashion" models, who tend to be tall, slim and beautiful in a more mainstream way. This is "commercial fashion", a subset of commercial modeling. Very, very few commercial models make a living at it. It is not a career, it is something they do on an occasional basis while they do something else "full time". Outside of the major markets (New York, Chicago, maybe Miami and Los Angeles) it is doubtful that there is any city in America in which more than a dozen people make a good living at modeling, but in virtually all cities and substantial towns there are many, usually hundreds, who are in the modeling market, and who occasionally find work. The requirements for being a commercial model are very different from being a fashion model. It certainly helps if you look a lot like a fashion model, but there is work available in most markets for many other types. Models can be older, shorter, heavier and need not be pretty or beautiful - "interesting" often will get work, and “generic good looks” is the most common look required. Commercial models are asked to play roles in pictures: “young mom”, “active retiree”, “Doctor”, “executive”, and they look like idealized versions of these roles. In most of the markets we have surveyed the hardest demand for an agent to fill is for middle-aged men! Things that help a commercial model are acting ability, an outgoing personality, easy availability for jobs, and good self-presentation skills. The great majority of commercial jobs are booked through agencies, except for those that are given to friends or members of the client's family."
Thu Jun 2 08:39 2011 in reply to Margolis Margo
Photographers charging models?!?! in Model Colloquy
Ok, time for a reality check: IN THE REAL WORLD, photographers don't pay models. CLIENTS pay photographers and the same CLIENTS pay models. The only twist on this would be if the CLIENT pays the photographer a set amount, intended to include all costs associated with the shoot, including location, MUA, hair, wardrobe and model. I'm not sure where YOU (or the OP) got the impression that photographers pay models. NOW, . . . IN THE WORLD OF INTERNET MODELING: 1. GWCs pay models (which is why you won't see the "working" internet models badmouthing/trashing GWCs - as they form a major portion of their income); 2. Site/Content producers pay models (in hopes of making back their money AND THEN SOME when the content goes live) 3. Photographers who have been commissioned for specific pieces pay models - as the CLIENT is paying one price, intended to cover all expenses associated with the shoot. 4. Newbie photographers who can't find TF* models pay models (often a very wise investment) so they can learn how to take pictures. [note: In my experience, a photographer would have to be both REALLY bad and a REALLY big asshole to NOT find a model to shoot TF*. There are enough newbie models, who are --and should be-- willing to shoot TF* just for the experience.] I'm about to go shoot. If someone else could finish my post, explaining the circumstances (in the real world and the internet modeling world) in which a model should and DOES pay photographers, directly, for photo shoots, that would be appreciated.
Mon May 30 10:40 2011 in reply to FallenOak
NJ’s Largest Meet & Greet and Photographer Gallery Showcase |VIEW THE ENTRIES - REGISTER NOW TO RESERVE YOUR FREE ADMISSION ON THE GUESTLIST! MODELS - GET DRESSED UP! FREE MAKEUP to models on the shooting stations! PHOTOGRAPHERS - BRING YOUR CAMERAS! FASHION DESIGNERS - Bring a model or two dressed in your clothing! NETWORK: Meet The REPS from Olympus, Tamron and Westcott Use our stations to test-shoot. Have fun! Mingle! Enjoy the Gallery Show! Participate in our FUN contests! Bring your portfolio if you have one! On Saturday, June 4th 2011 from 6:00PM-8:00PM, photography & modeling industry professionals to hobbyist spanning the east coast will gather at NJ's largest Camera & Video Superstore, Unique Photo, to celebrate the Opening Reception for it’s Photographers Gallery Showcase. 30+ photographers will be chosen to display their work at Unique Photo (123 US HWY 46 Fairfield, NJ 07004 – www.uniquephoto.com) during one of NJ’s biggest networking events. Events during this night will include: - Photographers: BRING YOUR CAMERA // Models: DRESS UP! - open shooting stations for on-site model/photographer testing - featured portfolio tables to display your work and any promotional items such as business cards & portfolio books - [b]model contest[b/] with prizes - the photographer showcase gallery reception We will also have a VIP room complete with a closed shooting station for agency and professional models and VIP photographers. You will have a chance to network, mingle and book future shoots with like-minded individuals who share the same passion and creativity in photography as you. VIP ACCESS Contest winners and invited guests have automatic VIP access. The VIP room will include a specialized shooting station with agency models and strobe lighting along with a sign out sheet for a personalized session. The VIP room will also have additional beverages and food. BE FEATURED - MODELS: Unique Photo is currently looking to feature talent during this event. If you are a model interested in participating as one of our Featured Models. If chosen, your work and any additional promotional items will be displayed at one of the Featured Models tables, as well as on the event page. You'll also receive FREE VIP ADMISSION to the reception and all you have to do is show up, dressed to network, shoot and mingle. If you are interested in participating, please send 1 image of yourself (with a width of at least 800 pixels for promotional use) and the following information: Modeling Alias: Website: (Private) Name to include on Guest List (1 person only): Email: firstname.lastname@example.org - Subject: FEATURED MODEL SUBMISSION Night of the event: Door Admission price is $10 non-VIP, $20 for VIP payable at the door only.
Mon May 23 10:30 2011
TFCD Copyright in Photography Talk
This type of thing is a bi-lateral contract and a model release rolled into one agreement (presumably to save paper or the time it takes to sign multiple documents). The problem with a contract/model release combination agreement like this, is that it's almost useless as a model release. Publishers and purchasers of images hate these type of bi-lateral contracts and generally consider them worthless. Two years after the shoot, if you are offered a large sum of money for photographs from a shoot covered by this type of contract, the model release may well be considered worthless unless you can absolutely prove that you, provided the agreed upon number of prints or digital files within the specified time-frame. If you didn't, or if you can't prove that you did, then a person (like the model, for example), could claim that you didn't uphold your end of the contract, therefore, the contract is void, no longer valid, and so is the model release. It sets the stage for a legal nightmare that most experienced photo buyers won't touch. Purchasers of photos simply want a simple model release. A model release is a unilateral agreement whereby one person (the model), grants rights to another (the photographer), in writing. Generally, photographers don't sign model releases, because they don't agree to anything in a model release. Putting everything on one form might save paper, but generally, it's not a good idea. Most forms that photographers dream up, aren't a good idea from a legal perspective, despite all the good intentions. I recommend not entering into bi-lateral contracts where a model agrees to some things and the photographer agrees to other things. That's a mutual exchange of promises and in the US, that's a contract. Instead, have two forms. One is a model release. The other is a written IOU indicating that the photographer owes the model images, images files, a CD, a bottle of wine etc. It's better that way.
Sun May 22 00:42 2011 in reply to Eric Lefebvre
Fabaic-mandatory model class -May 26th/28th in Model Colloquy
Aloha this is rachel deboer from maui saying aloha and reminding all artists that are competing in the Fabaic bodypainting competition next week in Orlando Florida on that sunday - May 29th to tell their models there is a mandatory models class on thurs. may 26th and sat. may 28th for models and artists.. everyone must go to at least one of these two classes.. the relationship between model and artist can be complex and for you to have reap the best experience out of it and have a happy model and great art piece to boot.. you must come to these orientations.. info for both artist and model and fun practical theatrical exercises will be created for the models.. here is class description from website... on thurs..- 1-2pm 1:00PM – 2:00PM Universal A Scott Harrington, Sue Weil, Rachel DeBoer, Abby Trent Models Orientation Are you planning on competing at the FABAIC? FABAIC Competition Director Scott Harrington and Assistant Susan will go over the rules and FAQ’s for all artists and models. Rachel and Abby will then explain what is expected to make modeling at the FABAIC and Competition a memorable, and hopefully winning, experience. They will share with you both dance and theatrical posing ideas for the cameras and talk about preparing for the long hours that are required to model for competition. This class is required for all models at the FABAIC. here is class description for sat.... 4:00PM Mandatory Model Orientation- Universal A, Scott Harrington, Sue Weil, Rachel DeBoer and Abby Trent THIS IS A MANDATORY CLASS FOR ALL ARTISTS AND MODELS PLANNING TO COMPETE this is first time a modeling class has been considered an official class at Fabaic! yay for the models!
Sat May 21 14:03 2011
I will critique your port in General Feedback
Hi Moe! I think this is the first time I've seen you around So it's going to be a very fresh perspective. Avatar: not as focused on the model as I would like. Profile: you state that you are specialized in automobile photography. That does show through in your avatar. Are you only interested in shooting models with cars? At this point I've only seen your avatar - so keep in mind this may be off-putting to models. I would take out the following statement too: "Important note. If you are a really serious about modeling then I want to hear from you. Models need to be willing to do what it takes to get the shot." I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. It's also about 50% of all the information you offer on your profile. Who are you looking to shoot? Are you open to trade work? WHAT are you looking to shoot? When and where are you available? Which models (i.e. only agency standard?) are you willing to shoot with? Portfolio: All non-model shots need to go. You are trying to attract MODELS to work with you here. I appreciate you started out with cars etc, but you're here to build your model portfolio. Perhaps someone will want to see your other work, but mostly, models will be interested in how you shoot models and how you make models look. Linking to another site where your other photography is uploaded is a much more elegant solution. So, just keep the five photos that have a human subject. Favourite: [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110320/06/4d860234dab7c_m.jpg[/img] Use this as your avi. Per photo: [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110320/06/4d86063581082_m.jpg[/img] Is this intentionally unfocused? From your portfolio, I can't tell. Perhaps it's better to remove it. [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110320/06/4d8602ea5e637_m.jpg[/img] I'm a little "eh" about this one. Did you do something to his skin in post? [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110320/07/4d86091d1b745_m.jpg[/img] There is way too much light on the side of her face. Not your fault, but her eyeshadow also isn't good for her skin and hair tones. [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110320/06/4d8604c0289f1_m.jpg[/img] Like I said, this is focused primarily on the car. That is not going to attract any models My advice to you would be to just shoot a lot more, practice, and work with more models When you are shooting, think of WHAT you are trying to shoot. What is your intention? Do you want a beautiful portrait, an emotional one? Do you have a story to convey?
Sat May 21 10:26 2011 in reply to Mohamed Ibrahim
I think you are missing my point. What I am advocating is this: Work with models with a known track record of being reliable. If you want to work with models with no track record, that's on you. Worse, if you refuse to even try to vet the model's track record, then it's your fault entirely. BTW: The "right to complain" is not guaranteed in the Constitution. Want to call it "freedom of expression", you are welcome to. But for many of us, we lose respect for people who complain & complain & complain while refusing to do anything to address the issue that they are complaining about. You can express yourself, and similarly, we can disagree, and we can formulate an opinion based on your complaint. Like I said, a confirmation call the night before is "checking up on people". And I reiterate -- if you are unwilling to check out the people you work with, you are responsible. Period. Look -- as the photographer, you usually are the project leader -- you create a team that could be as little as you & the model, or as big as a dozen or so people. As the project leader, you are only as reliable as the least reliable member of your team. Try telling "the model didn't show up" to a client -- do you think the client will blame the model or blame you, especially if this sort of thing happens to you more than rarely? So, fine -- you are unwilling to change your ways. You assume the world to work a certain way, even when you have ample evidence that your assumptions are not reality. So, you are welcome to continue to use your hard & fast ways, but you should expect the same results if you continue to do the same old things. So, here's my opinion: You will continue to experience flakes, and no amount of venting / ranting / complaining on the forums is going to change that. By your actions, I take it that you've accepted that position, too. If, however, there are photographers listening in who want to reduce their flake ratio, I'd say to them to make the effort to work with reliable models. It's not impossible, and it's much more rewarding to work with those models who show up. I'm not blaming you for disagreeing with me. I'm not trying to stop you or anyone from posting. You've made a choice regarding those actions, and that choice includes continuing to work with random models without vetting them. That's your choice. No need to get personal here. This is a constructive debate. People vent here because they want to do something about models who flake. We've heard all sorts of schemes to address flakes -- we've heard about blacklists, rating systems, outing them on these forums, leaving them a nasty & childish tag, even listing the model on a "Worked With" list so that the photographer can "tell the truth" if/when someone else calls for a reference. None of these are fair. None of these will work. Some of these may even be actionable legally. But if people work only with reliable models (even if they are working with the for TF*), then only reliable models will get work, and those unreliable models will either have to become reliable or they will have to find something else to do. That would work. If there are those who insist on working with models with no track record, then they need to accept whatever they get. But eventually, those brand new models will get a track record, and if they are unreliable, people won't work with them. So, if you want to work with Suzy, and she has no track record, send an e-mail to your distribution list of local photographers & ask, "Has anyone worked with Suzy?". Sometimes, that's all it takes. Sure, that's not a zero effort prospect, but neither is a blacklist, outing, a rating system, or (dare I say it?) venting on these forums.
Thu May 19 12:21 2011 in reply to Looknsee Photography
I think you are missing my point. What I am advocating is this: Work with models with a known track record of being reliable. If you want to work with models with no track record, that's on you. Worse, if you refuse to even try to vet the model's track record, then it's your fault entirely. BTW: The "right to complain" is not guaranteed in the Constitution. Want to call it "freedom of expression", you are welcome to. But for many of us, we lose respect for people who complain & complain & complain while refusing to do anything to address the issue that they are complaining about. You can express yourself, and similarly, we can disagree, and we can formulate an opinion based on your complaint. Like I said, a confirmation call the night before is "checking up on people". And I reiterate -- if you are unwilling to check out the people you work with, you are responsible. Period. Look -- as the photographer, you usually are the project leader -- you create a team that could be as little as you & the model, or as big as a dozen or so people. As the project leader, you are only as reliable as the least reliable member of your team. Try telling "the model didn't show up" to a client -- do you think the client will blame the model or blame you, especially if this sort of thing happens to you more than rarely? So, fine -- you are unwilling to change your ways. You assume the world to work a certain way, even when you have ample evidence that your assumptions are not reality. So, you are welcome to continue to use your hard & fast ways, but you should expect the same results if you continue to do the same old things. So, here's my opinion: You will continue to experience flakes, and no amount of venting / ranting / complaining on the forums is going to change that. By your actions, I take it that you've accepted that position, too. If, however, there are photographers listening in who want to reduce their flake ratio, I'd say to them to make the effort to work with reliable models. It's not impossible, and it's much more rewarding to work with those models who show up. I'm not blaming you for disagreeing with me. I'm not trying to stop you or anyone from posting. You've made a choice regarding those actions, and that choice includes continuing to work with random models without vetting them. That's your choice. No need to get personal here. This is a constructive debate. People vent here because they want to do something about models who flake. We've heard all sorts of schemes to address flakes -- we've heard about blacklists, rating systems, outing them on these forums, leaving them a nasty & childish tag, even listing the model on a "Worked With" list so that the photographer can "tell the truth" if/when someone else calls for a reference. None of these are fair. None of these will work. Some of these may even be actionable legally. Nearly all of them require that we take the word of a stranger without even giving the accused the opportunity to respond. But if people work only with reliable models (even if they are working with them for TF*), then only reliable models will get work, and those unreliable models will either have to become reliable or they will have to find something else to do. That would work. If there are those who insist on working with models with no track record, then they need to accept whatever they get. But eventually, those brand new models will get a track record, and if they are unreliable, people won't work with them. So, if you want to work with Suzy, and she has no track record, send an e-mail to your distribution list of local photographers & ask, "Has anyone worked with Suzy?". Sometimes, that's all it takes. Sure, that's not a zero effort prospect, but neither is a blacklist, outing, a rating system, or (dare I say it?) venting on these forums.
Thu May 19 12:17 2011 in reply to Tony Lawrence
Tips for directing. in Photography Talk
It's useful for a photographer to be adept at a variety of techniques. Here are some alternate approaches I use that you may consider: 1) Don't direct the model's body; direct her brain: Give the model problems to solve, like "Can you get taller?" or "Try to take up the least amount of space" or "How would you ward off an attacking angry bird?". I like it when the model's brain is engaged, because I hate the images of vapid stares. 2) Talk about something else: Another variation of the "engage the model's brain" approach, talk about something that the model is enthusiastic about. 3) The hands are the second most expressive part of the body: Encourage models to talk with their hands, or give them something to hold. 4) Movement is good: I know that an image is a frozen moment in time, but that doesn't mean that the model has to sit still in the moments leading up to the exposure. Get her to move and be quick with the shutter release (even if that means pre-focusing & setting the exposure manually). 5) Step out from behind the camera: I spend a bit of time at the beginning of a lighting setup to figure out all the technical details, like focus, framing, exposure. Then I set the camera on a tripod, hold the cable shutter release in my hand, and step away from the camera. That way, you are interacting with the model and not the camera, and the model tends to open up a bit that way. Sure, you may have to remind her to give eye contact to the camera lens, but if you are hiding behind the camera, the model can get lost inside their head. 6) Feedback is a good thing: Tell the model what you are seeing and what you want to see next. If you like the light on her hair, tell her. If you aren't quite getting what you want, say so. Note, however, never, never, never is it the model's fault if you are not getting what you want (even when it is). 7) Minimize interruptions: I resist showing the model the images on the LCD screen -- I'd rather tell the model what I am seeing. In short, keep active, keep talking, keep being positive, and enjoy yourself. If you aren't having fun, the model isn't having fun either.
Mon May 16 07:27 2011 in reply to Jessica-Dee
What happened to plastic model kits? in Off-Topic Discussion
Model kits have suffered from a confluence of issues. In the 1950s & 60s, kit manufacturers had incredible support from the companies that produced the full size subjects. So when a kit company wanted to make a model of a Ford Galaxy, Ford would provide all sorts of help. Now, there is no assistance from the manufacturers, and instead there's licensing fees. Even worse, race car models not only have to get licensing from the car manufacturer, but also from the race organization and all the sponsors that are emblazoned on the car. One of the reasons for that early support from manufacturers was that model making helped teach a skill set that could be adapted to the workplace. All of those companies needed patternmakers, assembly workers, etc., and model building helped develop spatial reasoning and toolwork. As manufacturing became more automated and computer design overtook conventional patternmaking, the skill set brought about by model building was no longer one worth developing. At that same time, modelers who embraced the hobby began pushing for greater variety and more realism in their model kits. Where a model from the 1960s might have 40 parts, model kits nowadays can easily have ten times that, if not more. The push for greater variety led to more companies creating model kits. In the 1960s, there were perhaps a dozen model kit companies. Now that number is in the hundreds. With that kind of competition, these companies are not able to produce the quantities they did in the past. A kit run in the 1960s could be several hundred thousand units; now those numbers are in the tens of thousands. Because there are fewer units produced, plus the increased complexity due to the rise in detail, the kit company has to increase the per-item cost to recoup their development and production costs. Even with production in China, model kits can exceed $200. Because of the rise in prices and huge number of kit companies, general stores cannot afford to sell model kits any more. A father walking through a store with his child is not very likely to drop $200 on a whim, and ordering from 100+ companies is just too time consuming. Because model kits have moved away from easy-access points of sale, the hobby has taken another hit. Out of sight, out of mind.
Sun May 15 08:27 2011 in reply to -Koa-
Maybe. Or maybe they didn't flake. Or maybe models are more dependent on photographers than photographers are dependent on models -- there are tons of models with more entering the scene every day; I'd also venture to say that photographers pay models a lot more often than models pay photographers. Or maybe models are too mature to whine about a bad photographer in a public forum? We STILL don't know why the model flaked. Maybe you thought the "joke" was innocent & small, or maybe you said, "Big breasts? I can't wait to rub baby oil on them, and of course, I have to apply the oil myself, for 'artistic' purposes". At some point, she could have been made to feel unsafe & perhaps it was appropriate for her to cut off all communications. Or maybe the photographer gave her the wrong date / time / location, and she did show up, but the photographer didn't. [i]We STILL don't know why the model flaked. Heck, we can't be sure that the model flaked on the first place.Look this isn't Judge Judy or Judge Joe Brown. We don't need to hear the models side. After all , said models name wasn't used. Key is that if you can't shoot or change your mind say something. In my case the model I made the silly joke with came out. Another model might be 'horrified' at my joke and decide not to shoot. Should she not inform me? Maybe the OP provided the wrong information, time or day. Lets take him at his word shall me. At least every few weeks a model comes here with a thread about some goof who feel her up. ( Of note is I don't ever see you there defending photographers. ) Guess what, in most cases I bet her side is true or mostly. Its just that I tend to want some balance because these could be criminal charges. A flake is a person who doesn't call or email to cancel. A flake in my view is a person who calls and or cancels very last minute. A flake is someone who uses the grandmother excuse, last minute. There is NO excuse for not letting folks know you can't make a shoot you confirmed. If someone says something you don't like, speak up. Unclear on locations or times, say something. Curious that models don't get clear information about shoots but somehow manage to make the party they want to attend. In short, I wish that photographers would stop defending bad behavior. Don't want to shoot or can't, email or call. There are very, very few reasons not to let those you've agreed to shoot with know your plans.
Sat May 14 22:09 2011 in reply to Looknsee Photography
What are my rights to photos of me? in General Industry
OP - Correct me if I am wrong: You did a TFP agreement with the photographer for the company ON SPEC, believing your compensation would have mostly been A TEAR SHEET ( or similar proof of commercial use ) for the photographer's client, hereinafter referred to as "the company" and at the very least, some images. You signed a release based on that belief. There was no $$$ contingency provision for the event where the photos were not used for commercial purpose to give you that tear sheet. It was a "try". But - it was a TFP - and you are due images ( or rate ). The photographer was paid by the company and did receive value. The company has imposed restrictions on your display of the images - they demanded that you remove the copyright holder-edited versions - they offered that you can PURCHASE the unedited, less likable images ( OMG !!! Most photographers would cut their hearts out for such a suggestion ) You believe the photographer is your friend. ================================ STEP 1 Contact the photographer and ask him/her to please write to the company this statement: " Zandrea performed model services in exchange for images, induced with the added hope of commercial tear sheets for her promotion as a model by virtue of being affiliated as a model for your company. This is the reason that the shoot was able to happen for the low price - she waived her monetary modeling fee for this speculation shoot, in the hopes of gaining value from a commercial campaign or at least more photos for her promotion. This is the essence of a "Time For Pictures" agreement and was both the motivation for waiving her fee and signing a release. I performed photographic services at a special rate also hoping for the commercial credit. My contingency for the event of no publication was that I had control of the images again after 3 weeks, after which I exercised my copyright and edited several images to my satisfaction and honored my contract with the model by delivering her images. You have asked her to remove them from her portfolio and further have asked her to pay you for the right to use images, which is a violation of my copyright interest as you have been granted no license to resell the images. I have authorized the model to use the edited images I provided to her in her portfolio in order to 1 - Prevent her from VOIDING her release by virtue of her receiving no value from the TFP contract which made the release enforceable and thereby preventing you from using the photos without great legal difficulty 2 - Prevent others from knowing that you acted this way, which would likely increase your promotional production costs, as then all models and others ( hair, make-up, etc ) working toward photos for you would require payment, I'm sure. My intention is to ensure that advertisers here can continue to get low-cost, low-risk images for their promotional needs allowing you to spend the same amount for several "tries" as you would for "one shoot" and allowing you to pick the best one, even in these tough economic times. We can only ensure that when the talent involved is allowed the provision to get "something" for their time. But ... If you feel there is an element of the edited images which is uncomplimentary to your brand, please let me know and I will try to remedy that aspect for you, either with an alternate edit or insisting the model does NOT indicate your affiliation with the images. Does that sound fair to you? Please let me know by ____ ( Date 3 business days after sending ) " =================== STEP 2 If the photographer will not do that for you AND HE HAS NOT PAID YOU ANYTHING FOR ANY PROJECT ... he is not only not your friend, but he is useless to you as a model and will only continue to offer you "VOLUNTEER" modeling gigs, NOTE HOW THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM "TFP" where you actually get some value. so send this to the company: On ( date ) I entered an agreement with ( tog ) to model for your campaign and waived my regular hourly modeling fee rate of $ ____ in exchange for the hope that an image may, at your discretion, be used in advertising which would give me a commercial advertising tear sheet, and with the contingency guarantee of the right to use images from the shoot for my promotion, including but not limited to use in my portfolio, in the event where none of the images were used by your company after 3 weeks from the time the photos were taken, in accordance with your contract with the photographer. You did not use the images in your campaign. After 3 weeks passed, the photographer honored his contract to me by providing me with 4 images edited to his satisfaction, exercising his right to edit his own images, delivering them to me with his authorization to publish them in my portfolio. You have asked me to remove them, which would thereby VOID my release for you to use them in any way, as I am due some kind of value for my modeling services rendered. You have further asked me to PAY for versions of the images which you possess, which is a violation of the photographer's copyright as you are not the owner of the copyright nor are you the holder of a license authorizing you to resell them. Here's what I suggest: By ( 5 days after sending ) deliver to me a) written authority to use the images from this shoot in my portfolio. If you feel they are uncomplimentary to your brand, you may insist, in writing, that I do not use your name or reference your brand in any comments. or b) a cheque for $ ____ my regular modeling rate, to maintain my release or c ) do not use the images in any way; and; d ) expect that all models and other industry talent ( hair, make-up, stylists, assistants, photographers ) who might otherwise agree to work ON SPEC to help you keep your promotional image production costs low may soon begin to demand cash payment from you which would certainly create barriers to getting the best shot to use. My mailing address for delivery of a written statement or cheque is: XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX XXX XXXXXXXXX XX XXXXX ================= At the moment, you have nothing to lose and likely this company will mean nothing to you. You may be VERY surprised at how some companies respond to FORCE - it might even get you a callback But at the moment, you have nothing to lose. ================== Or you can just move on and forget it ... or let people know what happens when they do a spec shoot with that company.
Tue May 10 23:47 2011 in reply to Zandrea
Since when does TFP/CD not include all images? in General Industry
I'm getting ahead of myself here, but felt this needed to be addressed. Maryelle is absolutely right. As much as almost every photographer has chimed in on this thread claiming they own the rights to the photos, they own the copyright, the photo's belong to them to do with as they wish, and so on and so on...just try publishing, selling, or otherwise profiting with those photos of a model who never signed a release. From the very same ASMP.org website that someone posted to support their claim the photographers own all the rights to all their photos: http://asmp.org/tutorials/property-and- … eases.html Take note of the jury decisions and awards regarding use of a models likeness without a signed release. Without that release, these images are nothing more than in the condescending words of GDML77, "only good to rest hidden in the computer" By the way, since some of you are so convinced they own the photos and can do with them what they like, why even bother to have a model sign a release? My point is simple: the photographer/model relationship is a unique one in the world of copyrights and ownership. To the poster above, I suggest you re-aquaint yourself with privacy laws and the use of ones likeness. Your analogy fails. Once again, the photographer/model relationship is a unique one in the world of copyrights and ownership. Both have rights to the image, and neither can use it without the others permission. its a partnership really. Presumably an equal partnership. Which goes back to the original question: If a model only walks away with 6 images, but the photographer has 600 AND can use them for whatever purpose he intends, including profiting through potential future sales, how is this an equitable arrangement?Before you spout off telling others to do research, you really should do your own. The model does not own any rights to the image whatsoever. None. Zero. The model owns a right to his or her likeness, not the photo. Stop confusing the two, no matter what you want to believe, the model does not own any rights to the copyright of the photo, they simply retain rights to their likeness -- this holds true outside of models down to normal everyday people. There are many none commercial things a photographer can do with said photo without any release from the model, such as an art gallery, magazine editorial, newspaper story, and many, many other things. Lastly, some states do not even require a written release, a verbal release is adequate and verbal can be assumed by the fact said model is posing for the photos, this has been tried and proven in court in certain states. The model release simply releases the model's likeness allowing use of the images from a commercial standpoint. To address your OP: You show up for the allotted time, a photographer on the other hand is there for the allotted time, with a far heavier financial investment in equipment, training, education, and possibly a studio and then a far heavier investment in time as the photographer has to then go and cull and retouch the images. It has been this way forever, unlike what you want people to believe, and will remain this way as it is more than fair.
Fri May 6 09:10 2011 in reply to Randal Scott
the canonical tfp agreement in Newbie Forum
David, You wrote: "I have had very good luck with TFP and never had this sort of situation. I am clear up front about what they can expect. I can see why something like this would turn you off of TFP, but if you're clear up front and have a reasonable discussion with the model beforehand I doubt this will happen too often." Well I would like to feel this way. I also tried my best to be clear within the confines of not being so pedantic that it turns the models off. The following is what I wrote her in email (before she brought the second model tagalong idea into play). /* Begin 1st Email to model 1 */ Hi *******, I would be interested in shooting with you this Saturday. Please feel free to let me know if interested. I like your Pam Grier look. Best, Steve /* End 1st Email to model 1 */ /* Begin 2nd Email to model 1 */ Hi *******, Thank you for the kind words. I would like to work with you. Hope the following is acceptable. We could try Thursday. (I have engagement Wed.) If that is ok with you, for sake of definitiveness, I could suggest we could try for 9 AM. (Alternative perhaps next Monday if you would still be available that far off). I would propose a TFP model agreement right off, followed by 2-4 hours of shoot (i think 3 hours or more preferable presuming it is going good). For sake of definitiveness we could just do SF city outdoors. My first thought would be a walk from Ferry Bldg to Powell St. via Chinatown. If we don't get a full 4 hrs we would have to turn back partway (but whatever). If we have more time we could do something loction- iconic (like GG Bridge background shots). If you wanted suggestions on what to wear, you could bring anything you think looks good on you with maybe 2-3 changes, and if you want iconic, maybe a bikini if you are into that. I saw your doll pic and would add that I like cosplay but only authentic (not the common usa imitation-- most of the stuff i see, even in Jtown, tends to be the latter to my eyes). These are just starter ideas so if you have something you think you would look good in and are really enthusiastic about it please feel free to let me know. Once we settle on a date and time we should exchange cell phone numbers for last moment emergencies. After the shoot maybe we can cool heels at a Peets, cherrypick and watermark a selection (eg 10 or so) of the better photos on a laptop. Otherwise I can email you within a couple of days. All the best, -Steve /* End 2nd Email to model 1 */ And here is the model release form I had both model 1 and model 2 sign at the beginning of the shoot. /* BEGIN MODELING RELEASE */ MODELING RELEASE Form LF-1 In consideration of my engagement as a model, upon the terms herewith stated, I hereby give to_______________________________________________________________his heirs, legal representatives and assigns, those for whom_____________________________________________is acting, and those acting with his/her authority and permission: a) the unrestricted right and permission to copyright and use, re-use, publish, and republish photographic portraits or pictures of me or in which I may be included intact or in part, composite or distorted in character or form, without restriction as to changes or transformations in conjunction with my own or a fictitious name, or reproduction hereof in color or otherwise, made through any and all media now or hereafter known for illustration, art, promotion, advertising, trade, or any other purpose whatsoever. b) I also permit the use of any printed material in connection therewith. c) I hereby relinquish any right that I may have to examine or approve the completed product or products or the advertising copy or printed matter that may be used in conjunction therewith or the use to which it may be applied. d) I hereby release, discharge and agree to save harmless [photographer], his/her heirs, legal representatives or assigns, and all persons functioning under his/her permission or authority, or those for whom he/she is functioning, from any liability by virtue of any blurring, distortion, alteration, optical illusion, or use in composite form whether intentional or otherwise, that may occur or be produced in the taking of said picture or in any subsequent processing thereof, as well as any publication thereof, including without limitation any claims for libel or invasion of privacy. e) I hereby affirm that I am over the age of majority and have the right to contract in my own name. I have read the above authorization, release and agreement, prior to its execution; I fully understand the contents thereof. This agreement shall be binding upon me and my heirs, legal representatives and assigns. Dated: ________________Signed:_____________________________________ Address:__________________________________________________________ City:_____________________________________________________________ State/Zip:__________________________________________________________ Phone:____________________________________________________________ Witness:___________________________________________________________ /* END MODELING RELEASE */ The main issue here (I am trying informally to accomodate the second model being in the shoot requiring increasing the number of photos) is that I was upfront that she not get all the photos! I never promised her that! (Sheesh!)
Fri May 6 08:32 2011
Models on there high horse in Model Colloquy
I understand what he is saying. The blinking thing I believe was just a reference. I as a photographer base my price on my skills and experience. Hence why my prices are extremely low and I still do A LOT of TFCD as time allows. What he is going off of is what I have experienced. There are a lot of pretty women out there that are just that. They expect to get paid, but also expect to be directed through the whole shoot. If I invest in a model, I expect a model. Some one who I can explain my vision to and she/he goes from there. They should be able for the most part, pose and express that topic on there own. I mean heck, any model watch America's Next Top Model. How many times can Tyra say that modeling is NOT just a pretty face. That being said those models hurt all models from making money. Fact is, I've worked with a few models in which I paid, that have worked the same as those I have not paid. So now I am in the mind set of only excepting TFCD models, do to I get TFCD quality from even those paid. Now don't take this wrong. Models DO deserve to get paid, when they can MODEL. Just as I deserve to get paid when I can make a great photograph. How would a model feel if I asked for $100/hr. Then I showed up with my equipment and expected the model to tell me where to put the lights. And what shutter speed and aperture to use. This conversation goes both ways, but I see it more with models.
Fri May 6 04:34 2011 in reply to Spenser Dickerson
Noone is pissed. I'm actually laughing on the inside at the situation.That's because you're a mega troll. You make posts constantly complaining about something. I don't know, you kind of seem like someone who is spoiled or something. You constantly complain about something and won't take the simple advice or put up or shut up (regarding paying to improve or work with those who will take what you've got). And no, I won't worship someone who makes threads about: Rant about models #1: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #2: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #3: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #4: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #5: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #6: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #7: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Do you seriously not get (even from your posting in critique) that, obviously, models DO shoot TF, but just not with you. There are lots of TF nude models, but many more paid ones and you've got to have a fucking EXCEPTIONAL portfolio to get them to TF with you OR a great attitude, of which you (according to past critiques) have neither. Your attitude fucking blows. Every post you make is about bashing models - the very same people you constantly bitch won't work with you. See, now they won't even work with you for pay: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Your lack of professionalism is painfully obvious. Thread asking if a model would 'relieve' a male model's erection: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking on advice on how to 'hook up' with a model which in and of itself isn't a big deal, people fuck all the time, but when considering the tone in which written, coupled with your other threads... http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread praising model with spread shots (which in and of itself, again, isn't a bad thing, but when taken in context with your other threads...): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you'd like to work with the world's strongest vag for 'art' purposes or whateverthefuck: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about your failure in communications and failure in obtaining a valid model release: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you failed to fulfill your contractual obligations even though you had at least two other options in which to do so: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Added to all this, you have got to be the biggest troll since that Michael kid with all his exhibit threads, Thread about trolling: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about horror stories: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Define a GWC thread (You have only to look in the mirror, young grasshopper ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking for list of trainwreck threads on MM: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread whining about friend requests (yes, you did it in this very thread, stand accused, sir): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread complaining about mod abuse - check the comment on all of your locked threads: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Honestly, I don't even give a flying fuck if this post gets me brigged. You are a GWC extraordinaire and it's a fucking head scratcher that your ass gets ANY models to work with you when considering all of your prior posts.This post is so full of win.
Tue May 3 13:37 2011 in reply to Sabina Kay
Noone is pissed. I'm actually laughing on the inside at the situation.That's because you're a mega troll. You make posts constantly complaining about something. I don't know, you kind of seem like someone who is spoiled or something. You constantly complain about something and won't take the simple advice or put up or shut up (regarding paying to improve or work with those who will take what you've got). And no, I won't worship someone who makes threads about: Rant about models #1: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #2: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #3: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #4: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #5: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #6: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #7: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Do you seriously not get (even from your posting in critique) that, obviously, models DO shoot TF, but just not with you. There are lots of TF nude models, but many more paid ones and you've got to have a fucking EXCEPTIONAL portfolio to get them to TF with you OR a great attitude, of which you (according to past critiques) have neither. Your attitude fucking blows. Every post you make is about bashing models - the very same people you constantly bitch won't work with you. See, now they won't even work with you for pay: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Your lack of professionalism is painfully obvious. Thread asking if a model would 'relieve' a male model's erection: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking on advice on how to 'hook up' with a model which in and of itself isn't a big deal, people fuck all the time, but when considering the tone in which written, coupled with your other threads... http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread praising model with spread shots (which in and of itself, again, isn't a bad thing, but when taken in context with your other threads...): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you'd like to work with the world's strongest vag for 'art' purposes or whateverthefuck: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about your failure in communications and failure in obtaining a valid model release: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you failed to fulfill your contractual obligations even though you had at least two other options in which to do so: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Added to all this, you have got to be the biggest troll since that Michael kid with all his exhibit threads, Thread about trolling: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about horror stories: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Define a GWC thread (You have only to look in the mirror, young grasshopper ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking for list of trainwreck threads on MM: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread whining about friend requests (yes, you did it in this very thread, stand accused, sir): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread complaining about mod abuse - check the comment on all of your locked threads: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Honestly, I don't even give a flying fuck if this post gets me brigged. You are a GWC extraordinaire and it's a fucking head scratcher that your ass gets ANY models to work with you when considering all of your prior posts.I hope I get to shoot with you sometime Sabina! Maybe trolling on forums can be positive. It shows people's true colors and ruins their rep. If I were the OP I wouldn't be worrying about anyone doing TF with me, I would be worried that I couldn't even pay someone to work with me.
Tue May 3 13:24 2011 in reply to Sabina Kay
Noone is pissed. I'm actually laughing on the inside at the situation.That's because you're a mega troll. You make posts constantly complaining about something. I don't know, you kind of seem like someone who is spoiled or something. You constantly complain about something and won't take the simple advice or put up or shut up (regarding paying to improve or work with those who will take what you've got). And no, I won't worship someone who makes threads about: Rant about models #1: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #2: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #3: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #4: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #5: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #6: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #7: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Do you seriously not get (even from your posting in critique) that, obviously, models DO shoot TF, but just not with you. There are lots of TF nude models, but many more paid ones and you've got to have a fucking EXCEPTIONAL portfolio to get them to TF with you OR a great attitude, of which you (according to past critiques) have neither. Your attitude fucking blows. Every post you make is about bashing models - the very same people you constantly bitch won't work with you. See, now they won't even work with you for pay: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Your lack of professionalism is painfully obvious. Thread asking if a model would 'relieve' a male model's erection: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking on advice on how to 'hook up' with a model which in and of itself isn't a big deal, people fuck all the time, but when considering the tone in which written, coupled with your other threads... http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread praising model with spread shots (which in and of itself, again, isn't a bad thing, but when taken in context with your other threads...): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you'd like to work with the world's strongest vag for 'art' purposes or whateverthefuck: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about your failure in communications and failure in obtaining a valid model release: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you failed to fulfill your contractual obligations even though you had at least two other options in which to do so: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Added to all this, you have got to be the biggest troll since that Michael kid with all his exhibit threads, Thread about trolling: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about horror stories: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Define a GWC thread (You have only to look in the mirror, young grasshopper ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking for list of trainwreck threads on MM: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread whining about friend requests (yes, you did it in this very thread, stand accused, sir): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread complaining about mod abuse - check the comment on all of your locked threads: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Honestly, I don't even give a flying fuck if this post gets me brigged. You are a GWC extraordinaire and it's a fucking head scratcher that your ass gets ANY models to work with you when considering all of your prior posts.wow all this ... blows me away - kabooooommmmm is right
Tue May 3 13:18 2011 in reply to Sabina Kay
That's because you're a mega troll. You make posts constantly complaining about something. I don't know, you kind of seem like someone who is spoiled or something. You constantly complain about something and won't take the simple advice or put up or shut up (regarding paying to improve or work with those who will take what you've got). And no, I won't worship someone who makes threads about: Rant about models #1: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #2: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #3: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #4: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #5: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #6: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #7: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Do you seriously not get (even from your posting in critique) that, obviously, models DO shoot TF, but just not with you. There are lots of TF nude models, but many more paid ones and you've got to have a fucking EXCEPTIONAL portfolio to get them to TF with you OR a great attitude, of which you (according to past critiques) have neither. Your attitude fucking blows. Every post you make is about bashing models - the very same people you constantly bitch won't work with you. See, now they won't even work with you for pay: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Your lack of professionalism is painfully obvious. Thread asking if a model would 'relieve' a male model's erection: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking on advice on how to 'hook up' with a model which in and of itself isn't a big deal, people fuck all the time, but when considering the tone in which written, coupled with your other threads... http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread praising model with spread shots (which in and of itself, again, isn't a bad thing, but when taken in context with your other threads...): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you'd like to work with the world's strongest vag for 'art' purposes or whateverthefuck: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about your failure in communications and failure in obtaining a valid model release: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you failed to fulfill your contractual obligations even though you had at least two other options in which to do so: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Added to all this, you have got to be the biggest troll since that Michael kid with all his exhibit threads, Thread about trolling: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about horror stories: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Define a GWC thread (You have only to look in the mirror, young grasshopper ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking for list of trainwreck threads on MM: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread whining about friend requests (yes, you did it in this very thread, stand accused, sir): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread complaining about mod abuse - check the comment on all of your locked threads: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Honestly, I don't even give a flying fuck if this post gets me brigged. You are a GWC extraordinaire and it's a fucking head scratcher that your ass gets ANY models to work with you when considering all of your prior posts.KABOOM! [img]http://tonova.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/kaboom.jpg[/img]
Tue May 3 13:11 2011 in reply to Sabina Kay
Noone is pissed. I'm actually laughing on the inside at the situation.That's because you're a mega troll. You make posts constantly complaining about something. I don't know, you kind of seem like someone who is spoiled or something. You constantly complain about something and won't take the simple advice or put up or shut up (regarding paying to improve or work with those who will take what you've got). And no, I won't worship someone who makes threads about: Rant about models #1: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #2: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #3: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #4: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #5: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #6: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Rant about models #7: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Do you seriously not get (even from your posting in critique) that, obviously, models DO shoot TF, but just not with you. There are lots of TF nude models, but many more paid ones and you've got to have a fucking EXCEPTIONAL portfolio to get them to TF with you OR a great attitude, of which you (according to past critiques) have neither. Your attitude fucking blows. Every post you make is about bashing models - the very same people you constantly bitch won't work with you. See, now they won't even work with you for pay: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Your lack of professionalism is painfully obvious. Thread asking if a model would 'relieve' a male model's erection: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking on advice on how to 'hook up' with a model which in and of itself isn't a big deal, people fuck all the time, but when considering the tone in which written, coupled with your other threads... http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread praising model with spread shots (which in and of itself, again, isn't a bad thing, but when taken in context with your other threads...): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you'd like to work with the world's strongest vag for 'art' purposes or whateverthefuck: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about your failure in communications and failure in obtaining a valid model release: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about how you failed to fulfill your contractual obligations even though you had at least two other options in which to do so: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Added to all this, you have got to be the biggest troll since that Michael kid with all his exhibit threads, Thread about trolling: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread about horror stories: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Define a GWC thread (You have only to look in the mirror, young grasshopper ) http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread asking for list of trainwreck threads on MM: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread whining about friend requests (yes, you did it in this very thread, stand accused, sir): http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Thread complaining about mod abuse - check the comment on all of your locked threads: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Honestly, I don't even give a flying fuck if this post gets me brigged. You are a GWC extraordinaire and it's a fucking head scratcher that your ass gets ANY models to work with you when considering all of your prior posts.
Tue May 3 12:49 2011 in reply to Aesthetic Photoworks
Unfortunately, a couple of photographers have had to cancel their attendance at this coming Saturdays shoot at Channels Lodge near Chelmsford, this coming Saturday. It's a great opportunity to shoot in some fantastic locations. I've pasted details from the original post here. If anyone is interested in joining us, please let me know, either via mayhem mail, or with a comment below. thanks Sean ___________________________ Channels Lodge Photo Shoot 2011: May 7th After two years of very successful group shoots at the Channels Lodge, the third will take place in May this year. As in the last couple of years, this will be held at Channels Lodge. This is a premier photo shoot event strictly limited to 15 photographers. It will occur on: Saturday May 7th Arrive at venue at about 12midday on Saturday May 7th Depart by 10:00a.m. on Sunday May 8th. Address: Channels Lodge Belsteads Farm Lane Little Waltham Chelmsford Essex CM3 3PT GLPS | What is it? It is set in a splendid 400year-old Lodge in gorgeous landscaped private grounds. There is period furniture, large windows, Oak beams, free standing baths, walk in showers, fireplaces, architectural features and a segregated area for outside shots. This is a photo shoot in a fantastic location that is aimed at established, quality models and photographers. We have sole access to 13 bedrooms during the day. But there is more…....we have sole use of the hotel for the whole night too. The price is £125 per photographer, which includes bed and breakfast for two people. It is expected that the two bed places will be taken by the photographer and his/her model. Aims and Objectives - To produce quality images that benefit the togs, mods, MUA’s and the community. - To get together with like-minded people in beautiful surroundings and take great photographs. - To share techniques and ideas. - To form a safe, affordable, friendly and mutual photographic society in comfortable surroundings. - To have a lot of fun! Format Although the event is billed as a group photo-shoot, it will be run as a parallel group of individual shoots. Each photographer shoots their own model in different locations. There is no lottery, there is no mandatory model sharing or exchanging. Even so, there's nothing to stop you coming to your own arrangement with other photographers attending on the day, of course. The event is by invitation only to Photographers. Each photographer is expected to arrange their own model. There are 5 shooting sessions, each of 90 minutes. At each session, you change location. This is to allow other photographers the chance to use the better spots and get variation of images. Detail This is the draft timetable for the day. It is basically split into 5 sessions of 1.5 hours. The reason for the 'sessions' is to ensure that the same tog does not hold onto the better spots all day. Of course, you don't have to use the room given to you, so long as you do not interfere with your peers or cause the owner to chuck us out. A shooting spot allocation system will be in operation throughout the day and managed by two administrators. Each photographer is assured a place in each grade of shooting location. 11:00-12:30 Arrive, social, Lunch and chat. 12:30 Health and safety, Make Up 13.30 Session 1: 15:00 Session 2: 16:30 Session 3: 18:00-19:00 Dinner, socialise and chat 19:00 Session 4: 20:30 Session 5: 22:00 End of Official Sessions - Rooms available for sleeping 22:00 Models and photographers must let their hair down, relax and party!!!! Note that we may change these times a little to suite everyone's taste. With 15 minutes to go before the end of each session, the administrators will sound a horn. this is your signal to take your last shot, pack up and move to your next location. A second and final horn will sound at the 90minutes. BY THIS TIME YOU MUST HAVE VACATED THE ROOM ready for the next tog! Insurance The organiser, administrators and venue management do not take liability for damage or loss to equipment. Please make sure you have personal liability and equipment insurance. Also take care and reasonable precautions at the event to avoid accidents and ensure opportunistic thieves are deterred(although the venue remoteness aids with this.) No-Shows This shoot is aimed at the more established photographer and model and due to its' initial cost has historically had less no-shows than most group shoots. I would like this to continue and advise that no-shows will be published. Photographers should be aware that if their sponsored model no-shows, they may potentially be left twiddling their thumbs because no other tog is compelled to swap with them. Travel The venue is not close to a bus route nor a train station. Chelmsford is the closest (perhaps 6 miles away.) MUA I will post a casting for MUAs Please note that the venue manager has requested that MUA activity is limited to a designated MUA and changing room so that the risk of damage to the rooms are minimised. Shooting Spots Shooting spots will be graded and circulated before the event. To ensure that everyone gets fair access to all facilities each photographer will be given one session in one of the A grade spots, two in B grade and two in the C grade. All the bedrooms have TV and DVD players so you can have music while you shoot. Multi Models The venue is on a substantial plot but access to the historic rooms can be tight, therefore the house is insured for a limited number of attendees. The event is geared up to each photographer bringing one model. However, using two models, one for early sessions and one for later sessions would be acceptable. Anyone considering two models at once please let me know as we need to manage the numbers. Chaperones and Wives Unfortunately, due to the limited space, chaperones cannot be accommodated at this event. Wives or partners who will be modelling are welcome. Sleeping Arrangements Though it is difficult to plan this so far in advanced as until payment is made, we don't know exactly who is coming. We will try to ensure that partners share rooms. We will ensure that photographers and models are in separate rooms. There are a number of rooms that have queen size beds only so it is possible that you will need your pyjamas. A sleeping plan will be put together, so that where there are preferences, they can be accommodated. If you plan to shoot past 23:00 you may request which room to sleep in BUT THIS CANNOT BE GUARANTEED. We also cannot guarantee who you will be sharing with-if anyone. In the past two years, we've never needed to have rooms shared, but it's no guarantee. The final sleeping plan will be organised on the day. Expect the worse - you may be sharing a room with me. Or Kev. Food Food and drink is available from the restaurant about 100yards away from the main venue. Food orders stop at 21:00 and the bar shuts at 23:00. Food ranges from sandwiches and baguettes for around £4 and hot meals for around £7. Breakfast is served at the restaurant and is included in the price. Nudity Nude shooting is ok in the rooms. Although the venue is in a remote, rural location, it sits within the grounds of a Golf Course. We will be trying to establish a secure outside area for shooting nudes but this is not confirmed. Equipment With 15 togs lurking, we may have similar equipment, so look after your tackle. It may be prudent to label it. There will be a room in an adjacent barn that will be the togs room where the bags can be left in relative security. Because we will be moving rooms between each sessions, consider how you will be doing this. Keep health and safety in mind. Please bring extension leads if using mains lighting. ___________________________ ps: My first posting to the forums here for a casting such as this, I've looked through the rules, and think I'm okay, but even so, my apologies if I've inadvertently broken any mayhem laws.
Mon May 2 06:01 2011
I'm confused in General Industry
Fair enough, but you didn't ask the model -- you started a thread, implying that you think what the model is doing is wrong. Judging by the responses (e.g. "you can't cure stupid" and calling the model's position "shit") indicates that your audience has already passed judgment on the model's position without even attempting to understand that particular model's concerns. These were predictable responses. Sure, you are welcome to interpret my "It's none of your business" response as meddling & ironic; I'll say that you invited that response. But it's less meddlesome that crying to the mods, isn't it? I'll say that my response in total is right-on -- just as the group here heard judgment when you asked your question, it is also likely that the model (whom you should be asking instead of the forum) will also hear judgment in your question. It is highly likely that asking the model will sound disrespectful to her, and remember, that model talks with every other model in the universe. Who knows, maybe the manager is easier to deal with than the model. Maybe the model doesn't speaka the English. Maybe the model is more likely to show up if the manager is involved. So my central answer remains the same -- the universe will address this issue for you: if the model finds work her way, she'll be happy; if the model doesn't find work her way, she'll either stop modeling or she'll find a better way to conduct her business. Either way, you don't need to be involved. I am advocating acceptance, and I repeat, if you want to work with her, respect her restrictions; if you don't want to respect her restrictions, don't work with her.
Sun May 1 09:54 2011 in reply to Rays Fine Art
Type of shoot : Fashoin/Nude/Topless/ Implied, 18+ only Date : Saturday, May, 28th Time : Group shoot event from 11am to 3pm. Private one-on-one shoot from 3pm to 7:00pm ( longer if models booked work) Location: Beautiful Private home in the Portland Area Great Master Bedroom, Jacuzzi bathtub , leather furniture, 1 or 2 moter cycles, Beautiful kitchen.. Food and non-alcoholic drinks will be served Escorts, husbands, boy/girlfriends, managers, body-guards are allowed provided that they pay the $60 fee This shoot will be fashion to nude based. Will be adding models once confirmed for this event! Will have models 15 (for a guaranteed total of 10 models) Slots are filling up quick, Dont Miss out on this ... Save your spot now. This event will sell out. I'm only looking for 20 photographers... The event will be from 11am to 7pm May 28th 11am to 2:30 pm is the group shoot. 2:30pm Snacks and water provided 3pm is 1 on 1's with six 30 minute sessions. 10 minutes to change and setup between each session. This particular shoot will be held at a beautiful home with both indoor and outdoor shooting possibilities. Renting a Pocket Wizards is recommended. You may bring your own lighting equipment! Model releases will be sold for no more or less than stated below: 10 dollars per non-nude model release 15 dollars per implied model release 20 dollars per nude model release Please bring your own releases for your favorite models to sign! You are not required to purchase a release from models that you do not work with nor favor. Hire models after the event for 1 on 1 shoots at 1/2 hour increments Please contact models for their personal rates for the 1 on 1s!!! Time Slots 3:00 - 3:30 pm 3:40 - 4:10 pm 4:20 - 4:50 pm 5:00 - 5:30 pm 5:40 - 6:10 pm 6:20 - 6:50 pm No later than 8pm for 1 on 1's Registration information: Event Date: Saturday, May 28th Address: Will be sent to you several days before the event. Paypal payment: Don't have Paypal? Better apply for one or miss out! Group shoot cost: $60, $30 deposit Paid via paypal! Message me for paypal address. *Deposits are non-refundable unless event is canceled. Your deposit can go towards the next event if you can't make this event. Any questions message me or Jasmine Mendez ( Event Assistant) www.modelmayhem.com/730469 CONFIRMED MODELS Jasmine Mendez [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/101027/20/4cc8efe4c4b81.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/730469 Sonoko [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110512/00/4dcb8d2c0119b.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/2183611 Ashley Heaven [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/090824/20/4a935c03a8be3.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/52421 Amelia Talon "PLAYBOY MODEL" [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110412/17/4da4f1d0be14b.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/198125 Destiny [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110430/11/4dbc59811666c.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/2188135 Ashley Sivley [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110523/09/4dda8a3a51d8e.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/2234104 MissKells [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110207/19/4d50be65c49da.jpg[/img] http://www.modelmayhem.com/2096935 AND MORE TO COME
Fri Apr 29 16:19 2011
Negotiating Model Fees: How to Get Paid for Climbing Trees Naked Mariah Carle Sunday, May 22 12:00 pm to 1:30 pm $25 Center for Sex Positive Culture, 1602 15th Ave W, Seattle, WA 98119 Buy tickets http://seattle-erotic.org/ Mariah Carle This class will cover the importance of negotiating a model’s fees. It will include specific examples of how to open the conversation to your modeling fees, luxury value VS bargain basement, presenting a counter offer, accepting non-cash payment, understanding artists’ set budgets, and when to leave the job on the table and walk away. Anyone interested in modeling of any form should take this class. Branding for Models: Selling Yourself Without Selling Your Soul Mariah Carle Saturday, May 21 2:00 pm to 3:30 pm $25 Center for Sex Positive Culture, 1602 15th Ave W, Seattle, WA 98119 For tickets: http://seattle-erotic.org/ This class will cover the importance of branding your image as well as your “model name”. A model with a strong name and known presence is hired more often for higher pay than a model with no known reputation. A model’s reputation is only part of her brand. This workshopw will cover how to set up a stage name, how to research your markets, and common mistakes that cost many models their jobs. You will learn the tools to create a unique brand that fits into the modeling you want to get hired for. From 2005 to 2010, Mariah traveled the US working as a nude figure model. She has worked with over 600 photographers and fine artists and has been published in an extensive collection of web and print media as well as gallery exhibits. In 2011 she opened a full service photography studio in Oakland, CA. Her successful experience in nude modeling as a business allows her to teach others how they can create art, have fun, and get paid. For more info visit carlephotography.com and bayareaboudoir.com. --------------- Open Photography Sessions at the Center for Sex Positive Culture Saturday, May 21 and Sunday, May 22 11:00 am to 4:00 pm $25 Center for Sex Positive Culture, 1602 15th Ave W, Seattle, WA 98119 FSPC The Center for Sex Positive Culture is typically a “no photography zone”, but for this weekend you can enjoy the rare opportunity of shooting anything you want. The Center, the Festival’s warehouse, and the warehouse studio will all be open for photoshoots. Models and photographers are encouraged to attend all day and take advantage of this sexy setting. Our hope is that this grows into an event where the art at the next Festival was made at this Festival. All you have to do is follow some basic rules. Clean it up, or put it back; if you make a mess or move stuff, just restore it to its original condition before you move on. You are responsible for your own releases. Bring your own lights, camera and makeup. Do not shoot people without their permission. We will have meet-and-greet times from 11:00 am to noon each day with coffee and snacks so you can mingle and get to know people to potentially photograph, but we do not promise models will be available and encourage you to network and plan ahead of time. For models and photographers scan the who's going list and make appointments to shoot in advance with the people you want to work with.
Wed Apr 27 21:56 2011
Carfax for Photographers in Photography Talk
MM is a good example of the benefits as well as the pitfalls of the internet. It provides a lightning fast way for models, MUAs, and photographers to find one another and set up collaborations. But it does assume good will on everyone's part, and currently, it provides no effective way to identify those few individuals who violate good will and threaten to undermine the value of MM. I suppose the most frequent complaint photographers have is the no-show model. A number of us photographers have had this experience at least once. You commit your time and often your money to what you believe will be a good shoot, and then the model flakes, leaving the photographer and the MUA in the lurch. While most frequent complaint models have about photographers is failing to supply promised images, the most serious complaint models have is about photographers crossing the boundaries dictated by professionalism (and common human decency) and engaging in over-the-top sexual innuendo or unwanted touching of models. I do know several models who have experienced this. And I think some men don't fully realize how psychologically traumatic such experiences can be for women. The "car-fax" model might help with identifying problem members of MM. Background checks can be useful, but only in a limited way. A model who flakes on a photographer or a photographer who behaves unethically toward a model is unlikely to add that person's name to his or her portfolio, so with thousands of models and photographers on the site, I don't believe the word is likely to spread. For example, I have had no way to spread the word about my own worst experience with a no-show model because when I did post a complaint on her page, she of course removed it immediately. And I see that she still posts fairly frequent casting notices. I have no idea whether I am the only photographer she flaked on or whether she does it often. The same is true for the unethical photographer; he can do a lot of damage before he's "outed." Even at the top levels of the profession, there are apparently some photographers who have abused their positions in their treatment of models and have not had to answer for it for years. The vast majority of people on MM, models and photographers alike, are good people who are serious about their work, whether they are novices or experts, full-time professionals or just pursuing a labor of love in their spare hours. But my own experience with both models and other photographers has convinced me that there is a very small, but very problematic, minority, and that there is currently not an sufficiently effective mechanism for dealing with the few bad apples in the barrel.
Sat Apr 23 20:31 2011 in reply to Jenna the model
"Muse" phenomenon... in Photography Talk
I think you're confusing a couple of concepts/issues here: 1. About muses: I think that concept (muse) gets thrown around a lot and misused. I have a bunch of models that I love to shoot with, I get good results from, they're terrific models....and they're not my muse. I had a model I considered a muse. She stretched me as a photographer, I got results from her that I hadn't gotten from other models, I got insights about my work (not just with models) from shooting with her. And she was not even close to the most professional model I've worked with, she was mercurial (failed to show up for one shoot and called to apologize and admit she just overslept), was not the best model I ever worked with and while the interaction was pretty good, it's not the best I've ever had with a model. To me, a muse isn't someone who's available and wants to shoot a lot with you (I think that's more of a "house model"). And a muse isn't someone who's a really good model that you get good results with (b/c if it's just about her being good, than she elevates everyone else's game too). To me, a muse provides a creative connection that stretches who you are as a photographer, grows your craft and your insight. It's not about having a good shoot, it's about becoming a better photographer and artist. And she may be a pain in the ass to work with, she may be unreliable, she may not be fun to interact with. But you grow from working with her b/c of some kind of connection that challenges you as a photographer. Do not confuse having fun or getting good results with become a better artist--become a better artist is sometimes painful and muses aren't always about fun and enjoyment. 2. Completely separate from that is the issue of having a lot of shots of the same model in your portfolio. You can do that and not have a muse. Or you can have a favorite model who's not a muse. Or you can have a muse and still have a diverse portfolio. 3. Then there's the issue of the purpose of your portfolio. If there is a particular niche you're trying to go for, than I'd argue your portfolio should reflect that. In other words, if you're a wedding photographer than show me nothing but brides and wedding shots and engagement glow and pre-wedding bliss. If you're trying to show me your range as a photographer than show me swimsuit and glamour and outdoor editorial and boudoir and artistic nudes. Or corporate portraits and high fashion. Or fetish. Some photographers seek to demonstrate a particular style (so everything has a particular look or feel regardless of the shot). I've seen other photographers use the same model for different looks and concepts and only by looking at the credits do you go "hey--the bridal gown, the dominatrix, the hiker and the swimsuit model were all the same--cool!". And then there are some photographers who are retired and just put stuff in their portfolio b/c I like the model or the shot and don't much care if at one given moment, half of my portfolio consists of one particular model. --Ed
Fri Apr 22 19:50 2011 in reply to Brett Fish
How to approach photographers about shoots in General Feedback
http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=503930 What is the List? Experienced Photographers who have pledged to provide assistance to beginning models, who donate a photo-session to start or enhance the models portfolio. How will the List help the new Model? Give a solid base and a new start, building experience for future work Valuable camera time with a seasoned photographer Providing positive publicity with the Newbie contests. How will the List benefit me as a photographer? There is prestige and positive publicity associated with membership in a juried group, especially now that the selection process is governed with discretion. You benefit from strengthening the model pool, and you gain the respect and appreciation of the models you work with. What are the requirements for membership in the List? For consideration as the List member, a photographer will be expected to possess: A grasp of photographic techniques which will facilitate the creation of quality photographs for a model's portfolio. What type of photograph does the model need? The model will need some standard portfolio images. Headshots, a few lifestyle images, where they are dressed in more than a swimsuit. Some artistic images are wonderful, but the model will also need to have the basics. What are the requirements for remaining a member of the List? Maintaining your involvement in the program: Working with newbie models once a month, when possible Entering your shoots in the Newbie Model of the Week Contest. What if I apply for membership in the List and am not accepted? Please consider joining the mentoring programs. As an applicant who is not accepted it doesn't mean that you are not an excellent shooter, but if your portfolio doesn't show images of the basic nature necessary for a Newbie then a bit of guidance about how to work with beginning models, and how to fulfill their needs, may be helpful to you. Photographers who are experienced in the field will give you guidance. Is membership in the List an endorsement of a photographer's ethics? No. Unfortunately we have no reasonable way to validate or determine this. We are however serious about these programs and will be very receptive to complaints of misbehavior by the List members or newbie models who fail to show good faith ethics. Is membership in the List an endorsement of a photographer's skill? For the List In its reorganization, we wish to implement reasonable quality standards. Our goal is to provide a list of photographers with good basic shooting skills and an understanding of the new models needs. You are strongly encouraged to look critically at the portfolio of anyone with whom you wish to work. In doing so you should determine of the photographer is capable of improving your portfolio and if the photographer's work is in a style that will benefit you.
Tue Apr 19 08:09 2011 in reply to Van Ray
Why Models Let Photographers Shoot Them That Way in Model Colloquy
I've previously addressed your insinuation, as it was made by someone else earlier, by stating that I do not have to share copyright with anyone. No model I've worked with has asked for it before agreeing to a shoot with me. Again, I OFFER this as part of our agreement. The quality of my work has no bearing on my decision to OFFER shared copyright. After my 17th or 18th shoot, I placed a statement to that effect on my Flickr profile so models know it's how I operate ahead of time. But prior to that, they had no idea I worked that way until the shoot was booked. It was something I did after post-processing, just out of courtesy. "Here's the photos, which do you like?" They'd tell me which they liked and I'd upload only those. Some were surprised at this degree of consideration and thanked me for it, telling me that level of respect was rare among photographers they've worked with. Having done 20 shoots as of today using this policy, I'm pleased to say that only one model wasn't pleased enough with the results to permit sharing a good number of photos online, most often 20 to 30 shots per shoot. In the one case, I respected her wishes and deleted the photos. She wants to try again soon and I'm pleased to oblige. It is more likely, at least intuitively, that poor photographers are less generous with models, as far as giving them control over which of their photos will be shared goes, because they fear a good number of their shots won't be to their liking. They'll try to sell whatever they can regardless how the model feels. I've found models are good judges of which of their photos are strong enough for publication and their selectivity helps improve the overall quality of my portfolio. Sadly, their instincts and opinions are all too often ignored by photographers who are more concerned with making a fast buck. If I disagree with a model's decision on a photo I really like I will make a second request with reasons expressed and, most often, I am successful in changing his or her mind. If they're adamant about the photo not being good enough to share, I respect the decision and the photo is deleted. If you wrote what you did as a subtle way to suggest I share copyright with models because my portfolio lacks quality, I thank you for your opinion but would welcome your constructive criticism much more. Would you be kind enough to have a look at what I've shared in my MM portfolio and/or on Flickr and tell me how I might improve the quality of my work? I've been informed I'm quite good at what I do but I'm never one to rest on my laurels and I would value any feedback as to how the quality of my work might be strengthened. Thanks! Please allow me to clarify, if only to quell your sarcasm. Because the law dictates that I own the photos because I, the photographer, created them. I recognize that it is within my power to acknowledge the photos would not have been created without the model's participation so I democratize the relationship. The law grants me the power to do as I please with the photos because it considers me their creator. I disagree with the laws limited definition of "creator" when it comes to portraiture so I act, within the law, to broaden that definition to include the model. Her opinion is important enough to me to grant her control. It is, after all, his or her image that will be made available for the world to view. The model deserves a say in my book. Someone else suggested I look into Creative Commons. I know all about CC. I recently donated 50GB of documentary photojournalism related to the impact of Vancouver's Olympic Games on Canada's poorest urban neighbourhood to the City Archives which applies CC licensing to all of their records, in accordance with their freedom of information policy. I would never do the same with my portraiture. Why? I don't want to see the heads of models I've worked with Photoshopped onto the bodies of Mr. Universe contenders. Again, respect for the feelings of my models is the key consideration. I've never been married, had kids or a mortgage. I won't buy a Lamborghini because I have a motorcyclist's license. I buy motorcycles because I find them more fun and they pollute a lot less. I allow city by-laws to dictate how far I open the throttle. It's not me dictating it. It's the law making the decision in all of our best interest. Please do have a look at my portfolio and let me know where my policy regarding sharing copyright with my models has negatively impacted its quality. I would really like you to do this because I've been told my work is good but, given your suggestion that I HAVE to offer shared copyright to attract models because the quality of my work is substandard, I would genuinely appreciate your criticism. Thanks, in advance.
Sun Apr 17 11:29 2011 in reply to svenler
Outrageous rates for models in General Industry
Jose, I appreciate your points. From what I see, however, is the model I mentioned is the rare exception. She knew she a had a look to make that once in a blue moon and was happy about that. Her decision is an informed, thoughtful one. Most newer models I see however who ask such rates stand little change of ever making those rates. In contrast to the above model they are uninformed. Often they eventually settle for less for a GWC shoot which leaves a bad taste in their mouth and they drop out of modeling. I feel if more new models realized how absurd their asking rates really were and settled for something more reasonable, they'd benefit from working with better photographers and more photographers would be getting shoots. What I see going on now for many, is a huge gap (mostly newer and hobbyist level) between what many photographers feel models are worth and what many new models feel they are worth. The result is there is no agreement on price and therefore no shoot. Many put forth the idea rates of $75/hour or more are commonplace, yet the many model threads which discuss how hard it is to get paid work show this clearly isn't the case. National wage statistics also show this is far from commonplace. I think those who put forth the idea that such rates are common for newer models do a disservice to everyone. The result is many newer models pass by fair offers which they might otherwise have accepted leaving both them and the photographers with fewer shoots. Many of these models drop out due to frustration and many photographers give up on MM as a source of models. I find it kind of ironic that MM is largely about getting models and photographers together, yet I get almost all of my models from non-modeling venues.
Sat Apr 16 11:52 2011 in reply to Jose Luis
Other places than this mayhem? in Photography Talk
Hi Mike, I'm sorry that you are having a problem with "flakes" here. Stating that you have a "no escort" policy should not be the reason why models are flaking on you. There are models here who will not flake on you AND who do not bring "escorts." In other words, it's not a good enough excuse to flake. Do consider looking at your methods of communication, and how you are confirming these models for shoots. I would like to have a conversation with you on the phone to go into more details, but I don't even have a flake rate as in 30 years, I've only had a couple. That was for car shows where I had plenty of models booked that they were not missed. Questions I would ask are do you have the models email, phone number and mailing address? Does the model have all of your information too? If you are working as a professional, there is no reason why you would not exchange this information. That is basic information that you will have the model fill out on your release or contract anyway. Is it easy for models to check your references, and vise a versa? Any way, you've gotten some good comments rrgarding this issue. I have had only a couple of flakes every so often in a period of years. I do the following things; (1) Get the people invested in the shoot. If money is being exchanged, she or he is more likely to show up on time! It's a serious loss if you show up late to court or the hospital. So if "serious loss" of money, freedom or life is involved, we show up! (2) Be sure you have exchanged cell phone numbers AND that directions are CLEAR. I have a minutes plan that allows for up 5,000 minutes and long distance so I don't care if I talk to someone while giving them directions. Communication is important! (3) Have alternative plans or things to do available to you so that you are not bored (which contributes to bad moods.) I like to have several people around so that I can put someone in right away to check lighting, warm up, etc. ... before the model gets there. Then when the model arrives, they jump in! It works that way in Hollywood! If you can find something else to occupy your time, you'll feel better. (4) Car pool or make arrangements for transportation. This is a good thing to do, especially when it's critical to have everyone there about the same time. Traffic becomes less of an "poor" excuse when we are together in it! I also have noticed that models who have a driver (or an escort, or assistant riding) do tend to arrive on time more often. It's nice to have someone helping with maps and directions. I'll even be the driver if necessary! (5) Use contracts or releases. Get it in writing and ready to be signed before shooting. Don't depend on word of mouth! If things are stated in writing, then issues can be resolved much easier. Minor differences become major if you don't do this. The above quoted from my thread which goes into further detail. http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … amp;page=1 Also I don't even use the word "escort" because that word had a different meaning in my time before the Internet. I keep it in the positive by saying that "Invited guests" are acceptable as long as it's cleared with both the photographer AND model. I love having an audience since I'm a big ham about the stage! Not all photographers and models are comfortable with having "guests" which could be anyone from the make up artists, to an assistant (no model has ever asked for a security guard and I have only been kidnapped once by a model and her female guest. That was before the Internet in what was an East German misunderstanding. I lived.
Thu Apr 14 15:04 2011 in reply to Liquid Projects
Photographers Who Have "No Escort" Policy in Model Colloquy
You are new here and didn't pay attention to the stickied posts on what NOT to post. Instead you jumped right in to someplace you shouldn't have gone. 1. This is possibly the ugliest topic you can post in the forums. It has been beaten TO DEATH numerous times. Congratulations. Next time, read the stickied topics in the Newbie Forum to see what to avoid. 2. An escort is nothing more than a useless appendage who doesn't nothing to help a shoot. Its normally not even the escort that's the problem, but the mindset of the model who demands one. And escorts have been known to flake, steal, interfere, whine and get bored and cut short a session, or otherwise cause problems on set. All an escort does is add risk that some of us simply refuse to deal with. Having said that, some people allow escorts. Some people demand them. Some tolerate them. Some don't allow them at all. The best thing to do is communicate clearly beforehand and only work with those who are on the same page. 3. I personally do not allow escorts except in specific cases (minor bringing a parent, disabled model bringing a medical assistant) and have had no problems with booking shoots. What works for me may or may not work for you. 4. Everyone wants to promote a safe and fun working environment for everyone involved in photography and modeling. Using common sense, checking references, and acting like a mature intelligent adult go a LONG way toward achieving that goal. Here are a couple of realistic and sensible sets of recommendations for models to stay safe when working off the net: What is Due Diligence in the Internet Modeling and Photography Environment?, By Curt Burgess, PhotoworksWS Safety In Internet Modeling, By James Glendinning/ SilverLight Esoterica Photography 5. Just because someone does not allow escorts does NOT mean they are "dodgy" or "have ulterior motives" or "want to get the model alone" or "have something to hide" or "are creepy" or "must be up to no good" or "are unprofessional" or "don't care about the model's safety" or any of the other pejoratives that are casually thrown around. Many of us have had bad experiences with escorts and have made a professional choice that we will not allow them at our shoots. That simple. 6. Sadly, there is a phenomenon called "Mean World Syndrome" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_World_Syndrome) where some people think that the world is a more dangerous place than it really is. Being realistic about the dangers out there and educating yourself in how to avoid or mitigate them is a far better and more sensible idea than blind panic. 7. Statistically, a female model is at FAR more risk of being attacked, raped, or murdered by a husband, boyfriend, family member or close friend than a photographer. Numbers from organizations like RAINN (http://www.rainn.org/) and the FBI consistently show that those closest to a woman are the biggest danger; photographers with a known identity, verifiable references, and a paper/electronic trail of communications with the model are simply not a big risk factor. 8. Starting an escort thread does nothing to improve relations between models and photographers. We should be treating each other as valuable partners who can help advance each other's careers, not as threats. And I need you paying attention to shoot details and not fretting that you could be killed at any minute. A distracted model is a worthless model. 9. Many of us have literally HUNDREDS of references. You won't trust me, but I'm supposed to trust not only you but someone you bring for your "safety"? Are you kidding me? That's some outstanding hypocrisy right there. 10. Unfortunately, there are people who start threads like this to show how "safe" and "concerned" they are and to dissuade models from shooting with other people. This is a slimy anti-competitive tactic that treats models as scared little bunnies with no common sense or ability to fend for themselves. Don't fall for it! I work with intelligent women who can make their own decisions and don't need a paternalistic male watching over them to keep them safe.
Thu Apr 14 05:39 2011 in reply to LaurettasPrettyFaces
Suggestions of how you help a model relax. in Serious Critique
From the looks of your port you generally shoot male models. My experience has been getting males to relax is always different than getting female models to relax. I do use music on set and let the model bring a mix CD of his/her favorite tunes. I also tend to joke around a lot with the model to get them to smile and relax. Some photogs provide wine but that could open the door to bad things imho you might not like, like over serving a model who gets into a wreck on the way home or trying to keep the model sober so they give you the shot you want. Just explain the image you're going for to the model and listen to their input. They might actually have a good idea and even if they don't everyone likes to think they have an input. Treat the model like a person and not a product and never come onto the model or flirt. You're there to take their picture, not find a date. Keep the studio warm enough so your model is comfortable and you won't have to waste hours airbrushing out chill bumps later. Keep snacks on hand because no one is happy if they are hungry. Be professional but not to the point where you become stiff and un-human. Keep the shoot moving at a steady pace. Don't stop for 30 minutes at a time because you filled up your memory card and need to download the images. Treat the model as you would like to be treated (unless you're a masochist). I try to treat the models I work with like I would want my daughter treated by another shooter. Keep all of the distractions down to a minimum. Shut off your cell phone, don't invite friends over to "watch you work", empty your bladder before the model shows up. Don't try to be their friend or anything else, but don't think of them as little more tha a prop either. Have fun and smile. You'll find there are some great models here to work with and some not so great. Some show up happy and easy to get along with and some show up looking like someone ran over their dog. And some just don't show up at all. Just don't get discouraged and keep hitting that shutter release and you will run into all kinds.
Tue Apr 12 11:41 2011 in reply to FotozByRic
http://www.wix.com/aheefner/lindsay-adler-workshop The Lindsay Adler Workshop A quick summary of the who/what/where/when/why/how: Who: sponsored by Sigma Lenses, Broncol Imaging, Adorama, Philadelphia Glamour Photography Group, Tri-State Photography & Arts What: The Lindsay Adler Workshop - A two part workshop geared towards both photographers and models Where: Power Plant Productions Studio, Philadelphia PA When: Saturday, April 23rd, from 10am-8pm; part one is for models, and runs from 10am-12:30pm; the photography portion (part two) runs from 12:30pm-8pm, and is for photographers to work with Lindsay on many different techniques. Why: if you are a model who is serious about learning what it takes to succeed in the fashion industry, you will get no better opportunity than to talk directly with fashion photographer and author Lindsay Adler. This is not an agency sponsored event. This is a chance to talk with one of the biggest names in fashion photography, and to ask questions about modeling and all things related to succeeding as a model. No one has really offered an opportunity quite like this before, so if you are anywhere close to Philadelphia PA, this is not to be missed. How: see this link (http://www.wix.com/aheefner/lindsay-adler-workshop) for full details. Part one of this workshop costs $29, and you do get lunch with this cost. You get a two hour presentation with Lindsay Adler that will cover everything you need to know about how to succeed as a model. Lunch is included with this workshop. An added bonus is that Lindsay will be pulling several models from this workshop to stay for the photography portion. Additional notes: -http://www.wix.com/aheefner/lindsay-adler-workshop for all info and sign up instructions -Lindsay is a premier fashion photographer based in New York City, and has worked with the majority of fashion publications available today. She has created numerous magazine covers, conducts in-demand workshops for photographers on a regular basis, and is sponsored by Sigma Lenses, among many great companies. This workshop is unique in that models will get to talk directly with someone who is literally at the top of the fashion business world, and can give models the insight they need on how to succeed in the fashion industry. Lunch is provided to all attending, allowing for everyone to get to meet and dialogue with Lindsay. -Sigma Lenses will be on hand to videotape and still capture the entire event, which provides a tremendous opportunity for visibility that goes far beyond anything you will get with small time modeling. Sigma is loaning lenses to the photographers for the photo portion of the day, but will be on hand for the entire workshop. If you don't know who they are, check their site. Like any major manufacturer, they have top quality pros as endorsed photographers, and are one of the best companies in the industry. -there are no other hidden costs. This component of the overall workshop was created to specifically help models. If you have seen Lindsay's work, you will know that she is one of THE best in the industry. She has reached the top through diligence and hard work, and can help YOU as the model to do the same. You will not get a chance to experience something like this workshop anywhere else, and certainly not for less than $29. -photographers pay $179 to attend the entire days events, and we are already starting to fill those slots. A small number of models will be needed for the photography training portion of the day, so anyone attending in the morning may be asked to stay for the day. -models are encouraged to bring a comp card, portfolio, and anything else they think will help them to make a top level presentation. Pens and paper will be provided to all attendees, as it is hoped you will be taking notes and making the best of the information being presented. Please email with any questions you may have. The workshop link (http://www.wix.com/aheefner/lindsay-adler-workshop) will have the days events summarized, along with the Paypal buttons to sign up. All attendees must be pre-listed. Parents are welcome to bring any minors that are models, but please know that the $29 entry fee for part one is per chair, and space is limited.
Sun Apr 3 20:58 2011
directing models/divas in Photography Talk
I think you're confusing a couple of different issues here: 1. Divas: there are some divas who are also very skilled and talented models...they just have a major attitude. At this point in my life/career, I believe that life is too short to spend it with people you don't enjoy being with. Even if a model is tremendously talented, if she's a diva I'll take a pass. But make no mistake, being a diva doesn't have to mean you can't pose or can't be effective. 2. Posing inability: some models are new. Or they aren't clear on your concept. Or you and the model aren't working well together...stuff you explain to model X (and appeared to be clear to her) you explain to model Y and just get strange looks and efforts but not the same result. And that could be due to a bunch of factors....people take instructions differently. What works with one model may not work with another. 3. Fit to the concept: there are some very experienced models out there who aren't necessarily good fits for concepts that may require a very dynamic approach (lots of movement and athleticism and grace will doing so). All people aren't completely good at all elements of this work (just as most photographers have strengths and weakness at their craft). 4. Expectations: I agree that most experienced models prefer to be given a concept and then they run with it...and usually get frustrated if the shooter tries to micro-manage everything. But just b/c that's generally true doesn't mean it's true in all cases. In my experience, most negative shooting experiences end up being due to not managing expectations clearly. In this case, it means clarifying concepts with the model pre-shoot and then before the lens cap comes off, having a conversation about posing instructions. A good photographer does at least one of two things when it comes to models (obviously, there's more than two things but it starts with these two). He/she either: (a) is good at dealing with a diverse mix of models...the ones who can create poses out of a whispered hint in the air and those that need pictures, verbal instructions and a mirror pose by pose...or (b) very good at knowing what type of model they need/want to work with and then sorting from the range of possibilities to pick the models that are a good fit. --Ed
Sun Apr 3 04:53 2011 in reply to Giuseppe Luzio
With all this talk about TFP, ever try this? in Photography Talk
I have, on occasion, had days with multiple shoots set up (just as some models will have 2-3 shoots set up on one day). It wasn't for the reasons you rationalized above (ie: so you'd have a model to shoot in-case someone flakes). First, logistically it's much harder. You're not talking about setting up one shoot or even 3 shoots but the act of coordinating between the models and juggling times consumes far more time and energy. It's like having children--being a parent to two kids isn't twice the energy and work of one kid, it's exponential. When someone no-shows it's even more of a hassle. And b/c there are more models, there is more potential for things to go wrong--one model arrives late, another arrives early, a model gets lost and calls for directions while you're in the midst of a shoot. Now, if you're talking about multiple models all showing up at the same time and a bunch of them sitting around while you shoot, sorry to be so blunt but that sounds like a first-class clusterf**k. If it involves new models, the insecurity level (and potential cattiness) is likely to be high (as everyone feels like they're testing and in competition). Last time I did several shoots in one day, I found out afterwards that when one model had gone into the bathroom she'd rifled through my stuff searching for drugs (and ended up taking some generic advil, some anti-malarials, and some asthma medicine that were all in rubbermaid containers and thus not obvious as what they were). Another time I had a troop of people at a shoot I ended up with a lens and some raybans missing afterwards. Unless you were very upfront to all the models (which, I'm no model but trying to view things from a model's perspective) I think would increase your flake percentage (so you'd set up 10 and none show up), you'd likely end up with a lot of models who show up, get very pissed, say bad things about you afterwards and in many cases just walk right out. In short, I think this is going to be a bad idea in 90% of all situations. If you're dealing with agency models, it's either an announced test or a paying gig, you've got some good assistants and your own studio, you've got reputation, dedicated waiting space, food, dedicated makeup space, a MUA and you're providing clothing for the shoots, than yeah you can make it work....it's called shooting high fashion in New York City or Paris. But it requires clear expectations upfront and a ton of support resources. Absent those, it's likely a mess for everyone. Ed
Wed Mar 30 04:53 2011 in reply to Bradley R Photography
Escorts?? in Photography Talk
I don't accept escorts. I used to require escorts a few years ago but soon there were models who couldn't find an escort for 4-6 hour shoots so I allowed them to come on their own. When that happened I quickly noticed a big difference between models who came with escorts and those who didn't. Here are some of the differences: 1) Models who brought escorts were more likely to be late than models who came alone. 2) Models who brought escorts often were distracted by the escorts by looking at him/her for approval, or talking, l while I was actually shooting 3) Models who brought escorts would take 20-30 minutes to change into an outfit whereas the models who came alone would take about 5-7 minutes. 4) Models who brought escorts would take approx. twice as many restrooms breaks as the model who came alone. 5) Escorts would frequently start involving themselves in the shoot by making recommendations, or negative comments, about how I was shooting his girlfriend who was doing the modeling eventhough the model promised the escort wouldn't interfere. 6) Models who came by themselves demonstrated more maturity, self-esteem, and professionalism through their behavior. 7) I would find myself doing repeat shoots with models who came by themselves because the shoots were more productive. Now that I shoot at my house, there's no way I'm going to allow another person (escort/mua/agent) to come along with the model and wander around the house while I'm shooting. I would only have myself to blame if I found my stuff missing. These are the reasons why I don't shoot with models who want, or require, an escort. Gabby
Sat Mar 26 17:37 2011 in reply to Just Photoz
Why so hostile towards "No TFP" models? in General Industry
I don't know why there is hostility on this. I'm sure this has been talked to death, but here's my two-cents, which everyone so badly needs! Models who will do TF with me fabulous! If I have to pay some models and I'm able to, fabulous! In fact, there have been times when it is more cost effective in terms of both time and money (which are often interchangeable as time is money) compared to doing TF as I provide actual prints and CD and then shipping costs for the goodies. Also, when I can pay that IS the compensation so I'm not obliged to do all the prints, CD and shipping business, so I don't get edits done for a while I'm sweating disappointing fabulous models who have given their time for the work of art. I have models contact me occasionally who are paid models, they are professional in their contact. They let me know they're coming through my area, invite me to review their portfolios and provide phone numbers and email addresses to discuss rates. I'm never offended. It's quite professional. In these cases if I can pay and I think they have something to offer my work I will pay. I have also found that if they're a bit beyond my budget they are happy to negotiate day rates, or take partial cash with meals, gas money, lodging, etc. Most models I have worked with over the years have become friends of mine whom I never pay but I make sure to give them their prints and CD so we can continue collaborating together. The only case I've had when I was annoyed by this no-TF thing was when I was approached by a model for pay was a young lady in my state. She is quite lovely with a unique look that I would LOVE to shoot. The only problem was she had only one shoot and seriously wanted me to travel one hour to her, one hour home and pay her $150 an hour for nude work. I tried to negotiate with her because I've worked with models who are high grade professionals (e.g., Keira Grant) who don't charge that much. She would not budge and although I explained to her that I just couldn't meet that pay she continued to write me over and over and over again, asking me if I changed my mind. Over the months I noticed that her portfolio remained the same, no new images probably meaning no new shoots probably meaning her rate was too high and too inflexible. No grudge against her, other than I wanted her to stop trying to get me to pay her rate including my travel time and gas expense. I did finally give her MM#s to Keira, London Andrews, and Nettie Smith and others, recommending that she write to them to ask what works for them, being that these are models who are in regular work. I never heard from her again. Otherwise, perhaps on the photographer side of things, we're talking about sensitive egos? I don't know for sure, but perhaps those who are annoyed by this feel that their work is being denigrated by the request for pay? To anyone reading this who considers the no-TF models some kind of problem re-consider. Don't grudge or complain. Consider the possibility that you will be getting a professional session with the model who can bring guaranteed results in confidence, posing, wardrobe and even make-up work. And then no stress afterwards for hurrying up with the CD or prints. If a photographer doesn't want to pay and the model is a no-TF model, you can always ask them if they will consider negotiating with you for a different rate, or to re-consider. They are usually not offended by these offers for negotiation. If they don't negotiate, then you wish them all the best and you move on to find the models with whom you can work. If they do negotiate, then yea for everyone!!! Forgive my wordy self-indulgence! All the best to all in life, love and art!!!!
Fri Mar 25 12:09 2011 in reply to Looknsee Photography
Paid Shoots in Newbie Forum
While I will agree that most MM models who pose nude get more paid work, they are basically 3 types: 1. Fetish models (and some of them are amazing, truly) 2. very professional Art Nude models who keep themselves fit, tones and extremely healthy, no matter the age, and they make good money, and, 3. (The majority of MM models who pose nude) women who pose nude because that is all they can get. Without nice skin, a well-toned body and a range of facial expressions that you can bring on at will, you just can't expect to hold the attention of a good photographer for very long. Also, you must be comfortable or you will look awkward and unnatural. A good model is an actress and a chameleon, who loves the process of creating images and characters. It requires creativity. Look all over MM, and you will see some incredibly beautiful, young sexy women who have nothing but boobs flashing and a come-hither look on their face in every shot. They have no range of emotion and hence, the portfolios have no personality. These models are limited and will have to rely on their boobs and butts to get paid, because that is all they have to offer. A good photographer can spot that immediately. That said, MM has its share of EXCELLENT photographers, and also its share of talentless clods who do not know the difference between a good model and a pair of tits. Believe me when I tell you that the amount of experience does not always define ability. I was trained by the military in photographic sciences in 1978. I think I am qualified to spout this opinion. Many of the nude and lingerie models on MM have the genetics but they either disregard their skin care or they don't understand the value of a fitness program. I see so many jiggly, loose bellies, rolls on the waist and chubby, untoned arms on 20-somethings here that I can't understand why they do this. If you are serious about modeling, your skin and body are your product. The photogs who pay the big bucks do not WANT to "shoot around" a badly toned body or photoshop skin flaws. A good model takes care of her face and body, depending on the type of modeling she wants to do, and learns to cover the flaws that may be problematic or pose to diminish them. (Although I have had at least 3 paid jobs BECAUSE I have scars, so always be honest in your bio. It prevents disappointment in person and it helps the people who need you find you.) For that reason, I disclose my scars and my true age on my bio, and I always have a few unedited shots in my port, too. If I gain a few pounds and I get a call, I disclose that right up front, it is only professional not to waste anyones time. I am 52, and I have not had to pose nude to get paid. Neither will you. If you choose to pose nude, make sure you like the tone of the shoot, because the images will be around forever to haunt you, and you may not have any right to veto any shots, another thing I would negotiate if you decided to pose nude, and get it in writing. A bad camera angle can make you look awful, and hurt your chances of working with other people if you are better than your photos show. Honestly, the best paid work does not always come from MM, but I keep my page here so I can send the link to photogs who need my demographic. Once you have a few very good shoots with different people to post, you will get referrals from them and you will meet people who will keep you in mind for jobs. I dont know how realistic it is to expect to make a high-paid living at modeling here on MM, I see it as a part time, delightful adventure and when it pays well and I get paid travel, its great. But if I was forced to rely on it as full-time work, I would be forced to consider some things outside my comfort zone, which I have decided not to do. Another thing to keep in ind is, dont reject a photographer because he goes further with most of his models than you want, because it is always possible he will negotiate the terms if he likes your look and personality. Always ask, "What about IMPLIED nude? What about swimwear with that theme, or a little bit of draping? The business is about communication, so develop that skill. You are lovely, and if you have a great attitude too, there is absolutely paid work for you. Here is my best advice: 1. Be religious about a fitness routine, you must be ready to shoot when they call. 2. Maintain your skin, never sleep in makeup and use sunblock every day. 3. Let your personality shine through, and ask the photog what his goals are. He is paying you to be what he wants. 4. Be willing to TFP, but only with people you think have some skill or a good eye. Don't be dismissive the the GWC's some of them have a great eye and if you get one amazing shot, it was worth your time and you learned something. 5. Develop a specialty, maybe fashion or theatrical images, whatever, but be willing to try new things. Be willing to look like a dork and have fun with it. 6. DO NOT Over Photoshop your portfolio beyond recognition! This is false advertising. There is a need for every age and look, so dont have your shots altered to make you look thinner, etc. If you dont look like the images in the port they will never call you again! If people like you, they will often hire you over a younger/prettier/thinner, etc, model, because they know they can work with you and will eventually get the shots they need. The BEST advice I have is this: DO NOT respond to "Let Me Rate Your Photos" posts here! Many of the photographers who do this insult very good models and their own work is sometimes lousy, both technically and artistically. Dont set yourself up like that. (Some of the most commented shots are truly lousy, but the girl happens to be either pretty or nude. This does not make a good photograph). I look forward to watching your port grow, good luck in this business!
Wed Mar 23 09:38 2011 in reply to Kathryn Secord
"NO TFP" on profiles in General Industry
Having been present when several models visiting from other areas have logged on to their accounts from my place - they get a lot of crap offers that are a waste of time. I can see why even "new" models who have not had many shoots would say NO TFP. It's less BOGUS MAIL to wade through. ( Seriously - set up a fake account with pictures of a pretty girl and see what happens - I bet you'll be SHOCKED at the CRAP some of these girls get sent. ) Also, the paying offers are usually "less sketchy" and involve several people present, which offsets their PERCEIVED risk. The fact is - modeling is a real job - when done by a real model for a real client, be they a photographer or commercial seller seeking images. Modeling is not primarily about art - it is about product; either a commercial image to sell another product or to make an image that is product itself. ( after all, you'll use it in your portfolio to get business, right? ) The whole notion of the model's portfolio began to show prospective BUYERS their past PAID work ( tear sheets ) - how their facial structure was printable ( in older high-bleed rags with primitive processes ) and PROOF that they could show up, co-operate and deliver a commercial image. But in the 80's, advertising EXPLODED and new girls were sought and pitched, but did not have any tear sheets - so they sent them to TEST with the photographers who were DOING the majority of commercial jobs - and unrestricted by "job parameters" they produced "wow" artistic images....which were FINE to qualify a model...since they were done by the photographers who were DOING THE JOBS ANYWAY and whose OPINION about the model MATTERED to the BUYERS. and also in the 80's - girls - lots of them - found out you could be rich and ( drum role ) FAMOUS by modeling ( which they interpreted as "being pretty" with no notion of the THINKING that goes on in a great model's mind - the skills ). And a lot of second -rate photographers ( because they could not produce a commercial image ) sold them photoshoots, COPYING those artistic photos they did not understand. That is - they didn't understand WHY those artsy photos LED TO paid contracts with big companies. ( Those were the togs who was shooting the campaigns - duh! ) Look at MM. TONS of beautiful models - may of whom do this to feel pretty and have a ton of WOW photos - many of whom incurred expenses and never earned a dime - and never will - because they don't know what images sell model services. This is not "Art-Mayhem" ...it's not "Deviant Art" ... and to those photographers who would DARE complain that SOME models don't want to shoot for free .... .... what do the models get from you? A picture? To feel pretty? To put in their port? Will it even HELP them to earn? If so ... why are your photos not selling? Why can't you afford to pay them? Why? You're as deluded as half the girls on the site. lol Some people actually want to earn money from this industry. They tell you so. If they seem worth it - pay. If you can't afford it - perhaps spend some time to learn why your photos are not generating enough income. Cuz if they aren't - they're valueless and irrelevant - no matter how cool or pretty they look. Think about it.
Wed Mar 23 01:58 2011 in reply to Aesthetic Photoworks
"NO TFP" on profiles in General Industry
Lets be truthful, neither are half the posers on MM and OMP. I won't use any names or monikers or labels of any kind, but let me say the following. If you live long enough and I have... you will remember that this PHENOMENON is not new. It has just been REPACKAGED for the Internet. It used to be salesmen, conventioneers and the average guy with $50 in his pocket could stop in any sleezy motel in any American city and if you asked the manager or pseu-do Concierge, okay, I went too far there... these types of motels did not know how to spell Concierge, but, if you asked the manager, they would usually for a fee direct you to a room where a MODEL errrrr.... yeah, that's it, MODEL was waiting and you could rent the Polaroid camera for say $20 and then pay $5 for each Polaroid photo you took of the errrrr.... MODEL naked. No! I did not have the mis-dis-remiss-fortune of participating in such activities, I was merely AWARE. Today, technology has killed the Polaroid, all but killed the shady motel room, but the MODELS are alive and well. They've found THE INTERNET! *** Please do not confuse the MODELS I have described in the above prose as FASHION MODELS, MAGAZINE MODELS, CONVENTION MODELS, THE SERIOUS MODELS... I have nothing but respect for MODELS who hone their art, craft and business as MODELS. But I am also aware that the very word MODEL has been stretch to the very limits of imagination to where it's almost unrecognizable in any real sense of the word. Do I have any REAL ISSUE with anyone doing anything they want? NOPE! I really don't, people who know me personally understand that. What I do think is... I like to be honest and calling things as they are, not as we imagine them to be. I see many, many MODELS having fun with this new resource and for the first time getting a chance to feel good about themselves with so many photographers scratching and clawing to take their photos. I SUPPORT THAT! Then I see strippers who call themselves MODELS and I guess there are some that just don't care, I know I don't... except again, I like knowing the difference. Sometimes I think there should be a new classifications added to the drop down list on MM and OMP. Model Stripper Hooker Photographer Pervert Makeup Artist Stylist Pretend Modeling Agency Owner People will get mad at that post. I can hear them now... "Shhhhhhh...! Hey! Knock that off, we have a good thing going here!" I know! I know! PS, and with that... I will try my best to refrain from further posts on this topic. I think it has run it's course and is becoming redundant.
Tue Mar 22 18:40 2011 in reply to Crystal Perido
Why you aren't where you want to be in modeling in Model Colloquy
One quick thing about the networking and MM. This site is obviously set up for models and photographers from the get go. But it markets itself as a place for all models. I joined (and was difficult to get in and a "cool" reception when I did get in.....hehehehehehe.....) and did so because a large number - perhaps the majority - of members are just young women with no real ambition to be in modeling but would probably not mind doing a few part time modeling jobs to validate their dreams and such. So I hung around to see if my little organization may be of help to some models in my area. I really don't deal with agencies. ACTRA is the only union I butt heads with in my little universe so MM kind of makes sense on paper. It has been mostly a failure, as a networking site for me. However I am not really pushing it at my end as it is easier to get models in real life. I tell you as I bitch about finding models it is in comparison to agency models. The type of flaking that goes on here is a bit much. I have had my share but that was for reality TV and stuff like that. The real modeling jobs usually go ahead as I have product to push out and market. So the small bottom feeder ad company should work at MM but does not. I have thought about leaving this place because of "the Internet is forever" and image problems if we get bigger. But my organization was built on giving the new talent a chance to get out there so I still lurk around here showing models an alternative the usual that goes on here. My ad company is for real and I met another ad company, relatively large in an office building, and was a bit shocked to see that we get into more broadcast markets than they did. They did work their specific areas better than me and something to think about there. So bottom line is that commercial and product modeling opportunities actually do exist here if people really look for it. But no excitement with part of your face beside a product or sitting on top of a small tractor. I guess a fun sexy shoot with a photographer experimenting with things has its allure over my stuff. But like I said, my models get into print, radio, television and I have met and known their parents like the girl above. So a model that does not fit agency stats should have a chance here. Perhaps it is networking on her part and perhaps the site is just set up one way and the others have to fight a losing battle for their genres of modeling. That is a pity as I was actually sold on the idea in the beginning.
Sun Mar 20 05:26 2011 in reply to Model Starr Photography
Why you aren't where you want to be in modeling in Model Colloquy
I hear all the time, from models, that they want to be in this magazine or that magazine. Or that they want to be taken seriously or that they don't understand why no one is willing to pay them for their modeling skills. Well, models (and you seasoned models who have had success, let me know if I'm wrong) if you want to increase your chances of being succesfull in whatever modeling you want to do, here is a list of things that I have noticed about successfull, full-time models, who get paid. 1. This first one you have no control over. Have either a unique look or be so attractive (made up) that you are impossible to ignore. 2. Eat properly- If you don't eat properly it showss in every facet of your look. From hair to nails to skin to complexion. your diet is the first big step especially if you aren't blessed with the genes that can compensate for a poor diet. 3. Exercise- No, I don't mean exercise to be a skinny minny . Exercise because, like your diet, it will manifest itself in every part of your physical being. Even your attitude will improve with exercise. 4. Learn natural poses that work for your body type. If you don't know what I mean then your not there. 5. Facial expressions- Ok, here's one that can make even the homeliest model have great images. A pretty model is one thing, but a model that can sell a shot, I'll take her everyday of the week twice on Sunday over a pretty, same smile, shot after shot model. You must not be so self conscience that you're afraid to make the goofiest, sexiest, most animated expressions you can muster. It may start off feeling silly, but once you see the difference it makes in your images, you'll never go back to just smiling in every photo. 6. Lose your inhibition. - Look, every model doesn't have to be naked or be scantily clothed to be successfull, but you need to have the attitude that you couldn't give a rip if you were butt naked in the middle of your local freeway. Not that you would every do it or should, but that kind of attitude needs to come through in your images. Sexy sells. Point blank. 7. Remain humble- I don't care how many magazines, calendars, tv shows or movies you've claimed to be in, if you have a stanky attitude, you aren't getting as much as you could no matter how much you're getting already. Stay confident, but remain humble. It goes a loooooong way. 8. Be realistic- I'm not one to kill peoples dreams, but if your 5'2" stop trying to be a runway model. If your 5'2" and 300lbs, please scratch Playboy off your to do list. Listen, this industry is about the look and you need to be honset with yourself on what you can really do with your look. Not trying to kill dreams here, but evaluate where you can really fit in 9. And last but not least. Love it!! If this is not something you think about everyday, then you limit how far you really can go. If you really, really want to be a model, modeling should be on your mind ALL THE TIME!!! You gorgeous successful models and super talented photographers weigh-in a let me know if I'm off base with my observations.
Sat Mar 19 07:25 2011
Why are profile issues being ignored? in Site Related Forum
Fri Mar 18 10:40 2011 in reply to Anamorphosis
Studio Lighting: A to Z series, taught by Jim Guzel of Aphrodite Photography. The purpose of the class series, twenty six classes in all, is to demonstrate studio lighting techniques in figure study, glamor, and related beauty photography. The techniques taught in this class are appropriate to any type of portraiture and in many instances will be highly useful on location, even using dedicated strobes or ambient light. In addition to the concentration on studio strobes, the proper use of various common pieces of lighting equipment, both in the technical and creative sense, will be explained and demonstrated. Classes are held every other Tuesday evening, more or less the second and fourth weeks of the month, 7:30 – 8:45 PM. Tuition is just $17.00 advance with advance registration, $25.00 at the door and $297.00 for the entire series which works out to less than $12.00 per class. Attendance at the classes is limited to twenty-five people. A mini-shootout with the class model, one hour in length, occurs immediately after the class and provides an opportunity to practice what you’ve just learned. The mini-shootouts are limited to only three photographers and cost just $67.00. In order to illustrate these techniques, a new female model will be used for each lecture, new in the sense that the model has not had much presence at Sly Horse Studio. I will match the model to the course material and blog about what I’m going to teach and why this model has been selected. With each model, I will be creating some sample images of each lesson plan prior to the class and posting these images on the blog. Along with comments on what it’s like to work with her, what I see as her strengths, how to get the most out of her, etc. Of course, I will be creating images during the class and these images will also be posted along with additional comments and lighting diagrams of the schemes used in the class. Finally, a monthly half-day shootout will occur on the first Saturday of the month, generally from 1:00 – 6:00 PM, and will feature the two models from the preceding month. This will be a further opportunity to practice both what you’ve been taught and what you know. Limited to twelve photographers, each model will have her own shooting area and plenty of time will be available for each photographer. I will be on hand to assist with lighting. Tuition is a mere $157.00. Event Schedule and Registration All Classes and shootouts are held at: Sly Horse Studio, 2375 Lewis Avenue, Rockville, MD 20851 K Mar 8 1037748 Raven Twist L Mar 22 752466 Melissa Troutt Apr 2 Monthly Instructional Shootout with models listed above M Apr 12 139544 Jordana Leigh N Apr 26 1075997 Kiki Jacks May 7 Monthly Instructional Shootout with models listed above O May 10 535447 Keke Santana P May 24 1395779 Tendu Jun 4 Monthly Instructional Shootout with models listed above Q Jun 14 491591 Myss Swagga R Jun 28 392591 Sin in the Bin Jul 9 Monthly Instructional Shootout with models listed above S Jul 12 139544 Music Melody T Jul 26 733097 Shell Jones Aug 6 Monthly Instructional Shootout with models listed above U Aug 9 597081 Jessie Massacre V Aug 23 501229 Trinity Chevalier Sep 10 Monthly Instructional Shootout with models listed above W Sep 13 1052613 Mara Geneva X Sep 27 17505 JessAngel2003 Oct 1 Monthly Instructional Shootout with models listed above Y Oct 11 807449 Katie Damron Z Oct 25 501229 Kelli Mackenzie Nov 5 Monthly Instructional Shootout with models listed above
Fri Mar 18 10:33 2011
Arizona Desert/ Pool Shoot-PHX - May 6-8 in Events
After such an outstanding and successful Arizona Desert/ Pool Shoot in October, I want to announce the details of our Spring Event asap. Each one seems to improve even more, and that's saying a lot after the great one we just finished. Julie and Laurel Rae will return from October's Shoot. Indica Greene will return from our Second Shoot It has been about three years ago since we had her and she stopped by while we were at the house to become reacquainted, as sweet and delightful as ever. The house reserved and the models are rarin' to go! We've done our part. Do yours and RSVP for this great event asap. The ratios are fantastic and we will cap this at 10 photographers plus two organizers. Mark Hanley and I will be working together to make sure it all goes smoothly. We will begin with a Friday Meet & Greet at the house in Paradise Valley between 6-9 pm..We will cover the shoot details. We will plan on plenty of time for fun as well, but since Saturday will be an early day, we plan on concluding at a reasonable hour. We will leave the luxury home in Paradise Valley Saturday morning @ 9am caravan style for Tonto National Forest We will be shooting at some spots we have in the past as well as a couple of new ones that Mark has selected. We will stop for a quick midday lunch break. Considering the great spots we already have this will be a long but very fruitful and diverse day of shooting in Arizona's natural beauty! Each photographer will have ample time for some great 1:1 shooting with all of the models! The styles for the day will range from swim suit , to topless, implied and full nude depending on the specific locale where we are shooting. You will all be delighted as these delightful models pose their best for us. You will be captivated at the gorgeous combination of beautiful model set against one of the most naturally photogenic areas of the US! Sunday will be at the house beginning @9am with the beauties posing for us in skimpy bikinis. lingerie and some in their birthday suits.... We will rotate the models and photographers so that everyone has ample 1:1 time, breaking for a mid day lunch. We will conclude the group shoot around 3pm, and Private 1:1 shooting will begin around 4pm until approximately 6-7pm. This will conclude the "official" part of our Desert/ Pool Shoot. For those that can stay longer, some models will be available for additional 1:1 private shooting on Monday at the house. More details will be covered as it become closer. Pics of Casa la Valencia: http://www.arizonalodgingexperts.com/pa … lencia.php CONFIRMED MODELS: Desert Beauty: http://www.modelmayhem.com/105641 Artemis Bare: http://www.modelmayhem.com/1621682 Indica G: http://www.modelmayhem.com/839450 Sandi Alvaro: http://www.modelmayhem.com/1572406 Bella Moore: http://www.modelmayhem.com/1637882 Laurel Rae: http://www.modelmayhem.com/1071692 Photographer Fee: $450 if PAID AFTER April 6 $400 if PAID BEFORE April 6 ONE DAY SHOOT SPECIAL-$250 (choice of either day-Saturday on the desert or Sunday at the luxury villa) Private 1:1 sessions on Sunday AFTER the Main Group Shoot on Sunday 3pm-7pm and on Monday morning from 9am-12 1pm. NUDE Models-$100/ hour/$60 half hour Implied Models -$70 hour/$40/half hour All models are NUDE with the exception of Laurel Rae! ***LIMITED TO 10 Lucky Photographers ONLY!!!! *** This is an organized and well run group shoot. It is NOT a "shoot out" or "paparazzi" style shoot. Each photographers will get quality 1:1 shooting time with ALL of the models at ALL shooting locations. You will able to shoot up to full nude with all of the models with the exception of the implied model, Laurel Rae, although she is one model whose version of "Implied" will make you go CRAZY! For more time with any or all of them there are private 1:1 sessions available at our luxury home on Sunday afternoon and Monday morning in Paradise Valley. Either a full fee or a $100 deposit MUST accompany an RSVP to hold your spot for this event. The final payment date will determine your fee. Please NO EXCEPTIONS!**** Includes Meet & Greet Reception, Transportation to/ from house to/from Tonto National Forest Shoot on Saturday, Snack/ beverages at house during Sunday's Pool Shoot. Not included: Transportation, Airfares, etc. Hotel accommodations - can recommend several nearby within 2-3 miles-short taxi ride Other meals/ expenses not specifically mentioned Unlimited Model Releases will be available, payable directly to the models : Desert Beauty/Artemis Bare/Indica Green/Bella Moore-$20 Laurel Rae-$15 [img]http://www.pbase.com/ethan_c/image/133385472/large.jpg[/img]
Thu Mar 17 20:45 2011
Ok, explain this to me models, please :) in Model Colloquy
Some models don't go out thinking what should I buy for a shoot, but usually what do I like. I personally talk with the photograper before a shoot and figure out what they want out of me in a shoot, but I don't tend to get asked for more as opposed to less clothing for my shoots... I am, for tommorow, shopping specifically for a photo shoot. That doesn't happen too often, but it makes sense if I'm making X00$ in a few hours to have a desired product. TFP models normally have a small amount of clothing set up in mind they want to have themselves photographed in and that's it. As for fashion shoots, the title implies to me that I'm modeling someone else's desired fashion. The basics for me include: undershirt underwear x5 (fitted) dress pants/shirts jeans shorts at least 2 shoes that aren't daily wear various t's Beyond that a fashion model should be expecting something provided I also get a great deal of personal portfolio shoots in which I am often asked to provide my own outfits for. I have used my money from modeling to build up a collection that I can use for modeling that has plenty variety and all compliment my look in my opinion. You have a good point for models that don't do just fashion, but at the same time I think it's obvious some models don't reinvest money or invest much effort into a wadrobe because of the money and progess aspect of modeling. Meaning that some models don't make money at all and therefore don't spend their money from other sources on modeling, and the progess aspects means that if you think of experience on a spectrum: unexperienced--TFP--some--paid--successful professional, that the ones further to the left do not want to invest in something they have never had success in (begining models for the most part). There's no restriction on who can list themselves very experienced also which may skew your model searches. No offense to other models. I think that some have had great success never buying a piece of clothing, but should feel fortunate for that and thank whoever got them started.
Wed Mar 16 15:44 2011 in reply to RINALDI
Dumb question but... in General Industry
Some random thoughts: >>> More than anything else, getting paid modeling jobs is dependent on your local supply & demand of models. It's a good idea for you to understand your local market. >>> Modeling is a competitive business -- not all models are created equal. Know your competition. To improve your chances, learn to be a better model. Modeling is much more than standing around & looking pretty. >>> At first, you (or any other model) will probably not start earning money on Day One. Be patient. >>> Spend some significant energy networking. Get to know your local photographers; find out how advertisers & photographers are finding models & get yourself on that list. To me, that's the real reason you should do TF* sessions -- such sessions will serve as an introduction. I may be wrong, but if I was a model who was focused on building a career as a model, I would probably not do a TF* with a specific photographer more than once. (There are rare exceptions, of course). >>> Some folks here will likely tell you that if you pose nude, you are more likely to get more paid work. That's a variation of the first point I made -- it is likely that the supply of nude models is smaller than the demand. But remember -- posing nude is like getting a tattoo -- it's a decision that will follow you for a long, long time. Don't be pressured into posing nude -- do nude modeling only if that interests you. >>> Every person in the "business" I've met could stand to learn more about the art of negotiation -- there are tons of self-help books & adult education classes on the topic. In particular, learn polite ways to say "no" without slamming the door on any future opportunities. >>> Modeling seems like an easy & glamorous way to work, and for some, it is. But modeling (and photography) as a profession isn't easy, because the photography sessions represent maybe 10% of your activity. Learn how to do that other 90% efficiently. >>> Learn ways to develop different "looks", and learn how to be proficient in several different genres. Your portfolio should show good examples of each of these looks & genres. And as I said early, network, network, network.
Sun Mar 6 09:31 2011 in reply to Shelby Conques
is this a scam??? in Newbie Forum
Hello You can Contact me anytime.Potential Models 18 Years of age and up*: We're totally willing to give you honest references for any and all "MODELS" that I have worked with, MUAs included.An escort is always welcome. Comp cards will be very impressive!Calling all Professional Models!"All models participating for Shoot (selective ''MODELS'' only) we'll be very excited if they can be among other models who will be coming for the Shoot you'll also be given a DVD Portfolio for Models who have been shortlisted and chosen. The agency will be customizing your DVD portfolio for 2 days before things began to happen. We want the best of all for models coming to work with us and you'll surely get amazed." If you are highly interested for the Fashion Show in " Taman Delima" It is my pleasure to let you know that all interested Model stand to be paid a total of $"6,000" for the 5 day event and $"1,500" will be given to you as an upfront payment Upon your arrival,except the payment of Authorization fee which is $460 for all models to pay which covers all the traveling expenses also going to be reimbursed back to you along with the upfront payment. Models would like to participate please take digital photo and email it to us.We are looking for models in all size ranges from a 1/00 and up. We don't have a size restriction - if you have a well proportioned figure and an attractive appearance, do not hesitate to enter.We love to meet new models, travel and get great images. As a model, You'll be willing to take direction and take it well, and open to new ideas and prepared to work hard to get the perfect shot.And photographers that take the shot of all models, ALL implied ideas must be approved by the agency before the end of the shoot. Escorts/References: There is an escort provided by the agency and you are allow to come with one and for the first shoot with any photographer, as well as require pre-shoot references. Our escort will always be professional and polite, and never interfere with the creative process. Travel/Hotel: All traveling expenses will be taken cared off by the Agency. Hair/Makeup: We have a professional hair/makeup for most shoots. We do, however, strongly encourage the use of MUAs for shoots. TRAVEL SCHEDULE: Planning trips to: * Taman Delima"- March 10th - 15th. Second session beings on * Taman Delima" ______ March 15th - 20th. And you let us know if you'll be available and suitable for those dates.And you are to fly out a day before the Fashion Show.Management of the organizing committee. We require that you send us a notification of interest by stating your Bio-data You are required to make correspondence via e-mail and notify your interest by stating the information as stated above to enable us input it into our Date Base. I will be waiting for your response. 1.FULL NAME: 2.CONTACT TELEPHONE: 3.HOME ADDRESS: 4.ZIPCODE: 5.AGE: 6.NEAREST INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT CLOSER TO YOU: After the requested consent form has been submitted: I WOULD START WORKING ON YOUR FLIGHT RESERVATION TO THE VENUE We'll WANT YOU TO HAVE THE BEST FUN. http://www.malemodelscene.com YOU CAN CALL OUR OFFICES TO GET MORE INFORMATION'S ABOUT THE SHOOT. HEAD OF ORGANIZING COMMITTEE Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whatchy think guys?? Tootles!!
Sat Mar 5 09:58 2011 in reply to Sarah Biggz
FS/WTT Wardrobe Clearout in MM Market
Looking to clean out my closets of the extras! Excepting most forms of payment, and if you havesomething to trade feel feel to show me. All Items are Plus Shipping and Handling Discounts when you buy multiple items. Dont be afraid to make reasonable offers. 1. White Assymeterical Skirt Size Small Bought in europe but nevergot to wear. Asking for $15. [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0668.jpg[/img] 2.White Capris Size 3 cuffed hem Asking $10 [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0660.jpg[/img] Front pockets detail [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0661.jpg[/img] 3. Blue Shorts Size 5 asking $5 [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0653.jpg[/img] paint splatter on back pocket [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0655.jpg[/img] 4. Hot Pink spandex Leggings Size m/l Never worn asking $8 [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0648.jpg[/img] 5. Jeans size 5 asking $10 [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0646.jpg[/img] Frayed hem minimal damage [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0647.jpg[/img] 6. Black Cordoroy Pants size 5 asking $10 [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0656.jpg[/img] Each pocket is missing one of the buttoms [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0657.jpg[/img] 7. Black Tubetop with three brass button detail Asking $8 [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0627.jpg[/img] 8. Purple Plaid dress top size small with side zipper, and silver thread runing thru it thatdidnt show in the pictures asking $8 [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0634.jpg[/img] 9. Blue cap sleeve shirt with scarf size small asking $8 [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0641.jpg[/img] 10. Hollister white button up size extra small worn once or twice asking $10 [img]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/mzplcdangel/model%20mayhem/IMG_0662.jpg[/img]
Tue Mar 1 20:18 2011
Pay your models! in Model Colloquy
And Bree, you know I'd personally don chainmail and slay dragons for you BUT, every now and again, some models and some photographers need to be reminded of the differences between the "real" world of modeling and internet modeling. YES, I have an enormous amount of respect for working internet models and though I do shoot with some Agency models (and aspiring agency-standard models) you know --as I think most people in this thread do-- that I primarily work with internet models and am, in fact, very good friend with many many internet models. I think you (and some others) know that I open my home, nearly every weekend to traveling internet photographers and models, because I understand that there is a huge difference between the real industry world and the world of internet modeling. I think you know there is also a vicious rumor that I might have dated one or two internet models. The point is: You have CORRECTLY stated that internet models derive a good portion of their income from GWCs. If you go back and read this thread, you'll see that the OP is advocating that photographers --of any/all skill level-- should ALWAYS pay their models. Now, I know where the vast majority of your REAL modeling income comes from and for those that don't, I think it's sufficient to say that you get paid, by check, drawn on the accounts of multi-national corporations. These checks are not likely to bounce. The rest of your modeling income, as I understand it, comes from GWCs. (I don't know if you do any site "content" work.) These guys SHOULD pay you because you're way out of their fuckin' league and they should be willing to sacrifice cash (if not their left testicle) for the privilege and honor of shooting with you. As someone who HAS shot with you, I can verify that it is, indeed, a privilege, honor and total pleasure working with you. Many of us are NOT GWCs and don't have those same limited options. Sorry. Bree, I adore you, but I think you may want to read the entire thread, in context.
Tue Mar 1 13:15 2011 in reply to Bree Addams
March 27th Beverly Hills Group Shoot Mansion used to be Actor Eddie Murphy. space is limited to 30 photographers there will be between 15-20 models Deadline to register by is 3-20-2011 (Photographers 26 spots left) As Of today March 3rd, 18 models scheduled to attend pics and modelmayhem numbers are posted further down, more models to attend MODELS IF YOU LIKE TO JOIN PLEASE CONTACT ME Models already confirmed [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/18models.jpg[/img] Hire models after the group session for 1 on 1 shoots at 1/2 hour increments Message the models and see if you can hire the model you want after the group event for 1 on 1 sessions. (TO CLARIFY JUST BECAUSE THE GROUP SESSION IS OVER DOESNT MEAN YOU CANT KEEP SHOOTING. JUST THST GIRLS HIRED FOR ONE ON ONES ARE AS AVAILABLE) Make up provided lunch and drinks provided Guest house has two bedrooms/showers and pool table room with fireplace. - Volley ball court with crushed granite - Tennis/basketball court - Pool and 2 Jacuzzis - Grotto and waterfall - Workout area - Trampoline - Aviary - Fountain - Putting Green - Game room - Outside shower The House itself cannot be used for shooting for this event **************** Registration Information ********* When is this taking place and how can i reserve a spot? Date: Sunday March 27th Time: 10am to 6:30pm. The main event is from 10am to 3pm. From 3-6:30pm you are allowed to hire models for 1 on 1 sessions at 1/2 hour increments. Location: Beverly Hills, CA We'll email the address and information to you several days before the event. Please follow the directions we give you. Do not rely on your navigation! Photographer fee: - $100 fee deposit of $50 via paypal Photographer Limit: Due to the mansions owners request, we are limited to 30 photographers. Models Make up provided - Deposit is non-refundable unless event is canceled. No exceptions! If you can't make it the day of the event, your deposit will go towards the next future event. - Remaing balance to be paid at location. - Deposit payment by Paypal. Don't have Paypal? Get one or miss out! - Contact Me Lijo Joy with your full name, phone number, and email address for payment instructions. For non MM members reading this, My email is email@example.com - Model releases are not included. Cost of model release will depend on what the model charges. - Lunch and drinks will be provided. NO ESCORTS, HUSBAND, BOYFRIENDS, FOR BOTH MODELS AND PHOTOGRAPHERS! But if you absolutely need to bring someone, they will have to pay the $100 fee. Information here subject to change. Keep checking this post for updates... LOCATION: [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/2693.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/2623.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/_DSC2598.jpg[/img][img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/J3421.jpg[/img][img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/JW7V9145.jpg[/img] MODELS TO ATTEND: [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/4d2286b1c1901.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/4ce8bca0cf071.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/4cd8752b63e01.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/4cac2743c940e.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/9691.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/4d3076f6264e2.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/4d69f20c30024.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/V5244.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/V1639.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/V1577.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/4b919b1703cb8.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/4b593d1fee4fa-1.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/4b8f23d005e88.jpg[/img] [img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/_DSC5619.jpg[/img][img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/4d34b4720b610.jpg[/img][img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/4d65c10c4636e.jpg[/img][img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/4d6d66b446af2.jpg[/img][img]http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lxj73/4b5e0f39aa4c6.jpg[/img]
Sat Feb 26 17:22 2011
working plus size models that aren't crystal renn in Model Colloquy
Yes! Absolutely! As someone who has been around for a (very long, lol) while, I can tell you that those who have been in the industry for some time are absolutely thrilled at the attention and exposure that is beginning to be given to plus models. But...along with this comes the idea that being large=plus size model, and that is still not certainly the case. as mentioned many times in this thread, plus size woman does not equal plus model, and often a pluys model may not actually be plus sized. The 'arrival" so to speak of the plus model has surely been instrumental in providing positive body images for young women and girls, but yet, a model is still a model. (fashion) Models are still tall, plus or otherwise, and still have industry standards to meet. (hence as someone also said, plus models have fairly flat tummies). They also have minimal cellulite and stretch marks, good skin, hair and teeth, and all those other qualities that make a model. I often have given (solicited) advice to potential and aspiring plus models. If losing weight (in a healthy way) is something I mention or suggest, this can be met with some degree of anger or hostility. Same if I may say one is too short. I did not make these standards, but they are there. The same way I understand I am never going to book Torrid or Forever 21, but I will rock the hell out of Sears, lol. Or that some plus models do lots of lingerie work, and some are more geared to basic commercial catalog. Plus modeling has opened a whole new avenue, but it is still a road with lots of familiar directions and few detours. My suggestion is any girl interested in plus modeling, go to www.plusmodelmag.com (I have been writing for them for the last 4 years, and you may see me in there a few times ), read everything you can, absorb the info and the images, as it is spot on and all in one place. You can familiarize yourself with everything from the models, to the agencies, to the designers, to the retailers. You can even find the names of photographers who shoot plus models and shoot them well and as they should be.
Sun Feb 20 17:11 2011 in reply to Brad Gowan
HIGH FASHION WORKSHOP with STEPHEN EASTWOOD Featuring: Agency & Professional Models, Designer Name Brand Dresses Westcott Backdrops, Profoto Lighting, Dynalights Continuous Lighting, Loaner Lenses from Canon, Nikon, Tamron and Sigma IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MODEL AT THIS WORKSHOP, COMMENT BELOW AND I WILL CONTACT YOU! The event is being held at NJ's Largest Camera Superstore Unique Photo 123 US HWY 46 Fairfield, NJ 07004 1:00PM-4:00PM For all information or to book your spot in this years hottest fashion workshop, please visit: http://university.uniquephoto.com/e/ind … twood.html This seminar will open the doors to a future of High Fashion Shooting in which you will be able to expand your portfolio and photograph agency models while Stephen Eastwood answers all of your questions and helps you out! This workshop is geared to help you developed the skills to create beautiful images of couture fashion. Stephen Eastwood, a Canon Explorer of Light, will give a 1 hour seminar on the principles of capturing high fashion images and show you how to light your sets to achieve the best look for this genre. After the seminar, you will have a chance to capture stunning agency and professional models in highly stylized couture dresses for a hands-on experience. Models will rotate on sets so you can achieve the maximum looks for each model as well as various high end props to use for shooting. Every model posing will have a couture look with styling by a professional makeup artist and hair designer. Each model will be dressed to the T in designer name brands that would normally run a photographer thousands to organize. We will be featuring rising fashion STAR, Devon Thomas (http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/1776978/viewall) We will be providing some sets with strobe lighting and some sets with continuous lights. You may bring your on-camera flash for the continuous light sets. We will be providing pocket wizards for the strobe light sets, please do not use your own. Among solid color backdrops, WESTCOTT will be proving exquisite additional backdrops for this shoot. [img]http://store.uniquephoto.com/e/media/upload/image/university/fashion/westcott-modern-vintage-white.jpg[/img] MEET THE MODELS [img]http://store.uniquephoto.com/e/media/upload/image/university/meet-the-model-artemis.jpg[/img] [img]http://store.uniquephoto.com/e/media/upload/image/university/meet-the-model-osyn.jpg[/img] [img]http://store.uniquephoto.com/e/media/upload/image/university/meet-the-model-patricia.jpg[/img] [img]http://store.uniquephoto.com/e/media/upload/image/university/meet-the-model-dawn.jpg[/img] [img]http://store.uniquephoto.com/e/media/upload/image/university/meet-the-model-nancy.jpg[/img] Many of this workshop's models are provided by www.theagencyonline.com *models subject to change without notice DRESSES [img]http://store.uniquephoto.com/e/media/upload/image/university/fashion/artemis-edgydress.jpg[/img] [img]http://store.uniquephoto.com/e/media/upload/image/university/fashion/osyn-electricdress.jpg[/img] [img]http://store.uniquephoto.com/e/media/upload/image/university/fashion/dawn-bodycondress.jpg[/img] [img]http://store.uniquephoto.com/e/media/upload/image/university/fashion/patricia-rosettedress.jpg[/img] $225 Early bird special for the first 5 people! For all information or to book your spot in this years hottest fashion workshop, please visit: http://university.uniquephoto.com/e/ind … twood.html
Tue Feb 15 09:18 2011
Getting the Right Model in Off-Topic Discussion
As many of you reading this article might already know, getting the appropriate model for your project can be very challenging. As far as I am concerned, the quality of the model available for a photo shoot is proportionate to the quality of the project you are embarking on. Well, at least most of the time. There are many sources for acquiring models for your shoot. What IS important, is, will the model you cast be up to the challenge and quality that is expected if you wish to eventually compete on the world stage. Finding great talent is not an easy task, but I have been amazed at where that talent has been found. There are many ways ones can find he right model for your project. There are several sources out there like Model Mayhem, One Model Place, Net Model, etc. for models that in general are not represented by an agency. Pretty well all of the major agencies have Development sections or New Faces departments that are there to develop the book the look and the strategy of the models they have employed. It is generally a good sign if a new model is signed to one of these power houses as it is often indicative of where they might be in a year or so. Major agencies invest heavily in their new talent and are seeking ways of getting them on the map and eventually getting them their $25,000 per day tariff. However, there are gems to be found on sites that I cited above, that have yet to be discovered by the majors. Your job is to know if they are of that standard and to jump at the opportunity of discovering them and casting them for your next personal work, submission to a magazine or commissioned shoot. But beware. In order to give them the same chance as those under the umbrella of a major agency, it is your obligation to get the best team to enhance your shoot and make it as credible as the competing agencies. That means the best fashion stylist, hair, make-up and manicurists as well as an incredible theme, worthy of the best magazines out there. Shooting a nude, glamor or portrait shoot will not aid in either your or their goal and will only lead to frustration. There are exceptions to the rule, where they are so outstanding that one of the majors like Elite, IMG or Ford would jump at the opportunity, unless they were all blind at the same time not to have noticed. Always treat your personal work (test) as if it was an assignment for a major magazine. Remember that your shoot is only as good as your weakest link in the team. Also don't forget that if you are shooting Fashion that, the model (in ALL cases) should be taller than 1.75 m or 5'-8" MINIMUM and ideally 1.78 or 5'-10". If it is beauty you might get away with a shorter model, but their appeal to the majors will be diminished. Where ever you find your next model, remember that you might be discovering the next Karlie Kloss!
Sun Feb 13 13:20 2011
Getting a Model For Your Next Fashion-Beauty Shoot in Off-Topic Discussion
As many of you reading this article might already know, getting the appropriate model for your project can be very challenging. As far as I am concerned, the quality of the model available for a photo shoot is proportionate to the quality of the project you are embarking on. Well, at least most of the time. There are many sources for acquiring models for your shoot. What IS important, is, will the model you cast be up to the challenge and quality that is expected if you wish to eventually compete on the world stage. Finding great talent is not an easy task, but I have been amazed at where that talent has been found. There are many ways ones can find he right model for your project. There are several sources out there like Model Mayhem, One Model Place, Net Model, etc. for models that in general are not represented by an agency. Pretty well all of the major agencies have Development sections or New Faces departments that are there to develop the book the look and the strategy of the models they have employed. It is generally a good sign if a new model is signed to one of these power houses as it is often indicative of where they might be in a year or so. Major agencies invest heavily in their new talent and are seeking ways of getting them on the map and eventually getting them their $25,000 per day tariff. However, there are gems to be found on sites that I cited above, that have yet to be discovered by the majors. Your job is to know if they are of that standard and to jump at the opportunity of discovering them and casting them for your next personal work, submission to a magazine or commissioned shoot. But beware. In order to give them the same chance as those under the umbrella of a major agency, it is your obligation to get the best team to enhance your shoot and make it as credible as the competing agencies. That means the best fashion stylist, hair, make-up and manicurists as well as an incredible theme, worthy of the best magazines out there. Shooting a nude, glamor or portrait shoot will not aid in either your or their goal and will only lead to frustration. There are exceptions to the rule, where they are so outstanding that one of the majors like Elite, IMG or Ford would jump at the opportunity, unless they were all blind at the same time not to have noticed. Always treat your personal work (test) as if it was an assignment for a major magazine. Remember that your shoot is only as good as your weakest link in the team. Also don't forget that if you are shooting Fashion that, the model (in ALL cases) should be taller than 1.75 m or 5'-8" MINIMUM and ideally 1.78 or 5'-10". If it is beauty you might get away with a shorter model, but their appeal to the majors will be diminished. Where ever you find your next model, remember that you might be discovering the next Karlie Kloss! http://www.benjaminkanarekblog.com/dzp
Sun Feb 13 10:58 2011
Etiquette of Getting Paid in General Industry
As a model, I generally get paid at the end of a shoot and sign a model release, deal with getting pictures of IDs, etc. all at that time as well. I haven't had a problem with getting paid by check yet, but the majority of people who pay me by check are individual fine artists I have a long, stable working relationship with. For everyone who pays me in cash, I carry a receipt book with me and always offer a signed receipt - despite most people not wanting one - or I will write "compensated $XX as valuable consideration" and inital it on the model release and initial it (model release ONLY - not one of those super-mangled contract/model release/usage release forms all rolled into one page). As a photographer I pay in cash at the end of the shoot period while the model is filling out the model release and payment receipt (or writing the "compensated $XX as valuable consideration" and initialing it on the model release), and I'm getting copies/images taken of their ID. Even with a business account, I still find paying people in cash (and getting signed paperwork verifying as much) to be the easiest way for me, personally, to operate. Due to an issue I had once in 2010 (and I'm not placing the blame on anyone, model or myself) where I payed a model in cash (after counting it myself) and she made the annotation on the model release after receiving cash in hand. The next day she emailed me saying she had come up short - so I PayPal'd her the money (as it was easier and quicker for both of us than meeting up due to schedule conflicts). My policy this year, to avoid similar situations, is that for models I pay in cash I'm going to have an additional form (separate from both my model release and receipt book) for models to sign stating they were paid in cash, how much, and that they counted it prior to leaving set - that way there are no issues. Always a learning curve for making working policies.
Mon Feb 7 19:13 2011 in reply to RinnyTinTinny
Model Nightmares in General Industry
This is a wasps nest to comment on. My personal experiences as a photographer, interacting with models have for the most part been good. When I started out doing nudes, I was so dead nervous to be inappropriate in any way and "get in trouble", that I could hardly look at the model. As I've done numerous nude/lingerie shots since, I made myself a mental checklist to not come across as inappropriate in any way (hopefully). This might be a helper for any guys out there starting out and nervous like I was. - Explain what's going to happen. Always announce the amount of clothes to model in advance. Never do anything unanticipated without asking. - If I need to pose a model and I can't make it work with describing or posing myself (not a pretty sight), then first I *ask* if I may correct her pose and then actually touch the least "exposed" areas, like shoulders for body, elbows for hands, etc. Chest or hip areas are forbidden zones. - I always do my best to look the models in the eyes. Not letting the gaze go downwards (or whatever angle you are looking at the model from). - I occasionally ask the model if she's okay. - Relax! A tense photographer who can't keep his eyes off exposed private bits will unnerve any model, despite his best intentions. And one point that Henri3 makes is actually valid. It can be distracting having a nude-ish model running around in the studio. Especially the first few times. But just focus on light and pose and in your mind, "in-animate" the body. Make it an object and look at it as such (sorry gals, I don't mean that *you* are objects). And as the choir says, be professional! Nowadays I'm pretty numb when it comes to models. A nude model can run around me in circles and I hardly notice. As one guy said, meeting a new beautiful girl and the first thing you consider, is how she'd look in pictures. I guess it qualifies as a work-related impairment. I to this day never had any inappropriate situations as a photographer. I turn off the part of the male brain (location unknown), that would react "inappropriately" to a nude girl. And for the better. I did however have a bit funny episode. I think it was my second or third nude session. I was still nervous and careful beyond what was needed. It was my first nude session in the studio - as opposed to living room experiments - and it would be an all nude picture. The model came, we talked. I said we'd go ahead with the nude shots first and to lingerie after. "Great", she exclaimed and right there and then undressed. I hardly had time to turn away before she stood butt-naked in front of me with a big smile and happy attitude. The shoot was great. But she sure made me blush! Lastly, flirting with models. It happens. The difference is how. There's a big difference between "mhmm.. you look so hot in that thong", and to being a gentleman, acting silly, overdone wiggling of eyebrows and generally making the model laugh and relax. And that's when you capture those wonderful off-beat shots, that no amount of posing will ever achieve. - Michael --- Edited for typing-too-bleeping-fast-typos
Mon Feb 7 18:25 2011 in reply to Henri3
Do's and Don'ts for a 1st TF shoot in Model Colloquy
sorry I am not a model, but here are some tips posted "a while ago" from some models and MUA and photographers ... Model Matters > models,dont do this... (Excerps from MM thread_id=77473) first-part by: Mary Female, MUA http://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=1958 don't eat while we are doing makeup don't take smoke breaks, you smell when you come back, the clothes smell too. don't answer your phone while workiing...Hello! you are WORKING! You are not running a country, nothing is that important. don't show up with greasy hair or roots that need coloring (YUCK, it's so gross) don't ask me to change anything or tell me how you like your makeup (unless you are paying me and thats unlikely) be on time.... our time is money and we all get paid while we sit and wait on you, unless you're a supermodel, you're not worth waiting for. ----- These things are so simple, why is it that so many models need to be reminded of this? isn't this common sense? Agency models rarely commit these sins but unfortunately clients sometimes use non-agency "models" and 9 times out of 10 they just are not professional. if youre a webmodel that does nothing but TFP, I don't care what you do but when you are being paid you need to act like a pro. Sep 20 06 01:09 pm ----------------------- SINched I'll add to the list: Wear clear deodorant so you don't stain the clothes. Shave/wax/trim whatever you need to before the shoot. Sep 20 06 01:34 pm -------------------- Chris Ross Popping out for a smoke break and coming in is about the same as somebody popping into the toilet for a bit and coming out smelling like shit for the afternoon, not pretty. Sep 20 06 01:41 pm ---------------------- Cardillo Photography Here is a list of the tips that I send to models that I will be working with Tips for a model with an upcoming shoot 1) Arrive at the shoot on time or even a bit early. If you are late, this will take away from the time allotted for the shoot. This could also make it feel like the shoot is being rushed. 2) Get plenty of rest the day before the shoot. Get a good night's sleep. This will keep you from looking tired during the shoot. 3) Keep jewelry to a minimum. Seeing the same necklace with different outfits takes away from the impact of the images. I ask that jewelry be used in 1 set of pictures, or better still, not in any of them. This is true of watches also. 4) Try to wear solid colors. Nothing detracts from a model's face or figure more than an outfit covered in busy patterns and prints. 5) Make sure that your outfits fit well. While this seems obvious, too many times I have heard of a model wearing ill-fitting clothes that do nothing, but divert from the attention of the portfolio viewer. Swimsuits should fit snug, with no gaps showing when you move. They shouldn't be too tight. 6) Please make sure that the swimsuits you will be wearing cover up any tan lines that you might have. A suit that is too small for your tan lines will result in undesirable photos. 7) If you plan on using a roll-on or solid deodorant, please use a clear one not a white solid. Or even better use a spray deodorant. A solid can leave a residue that can be seen or get on clothing. 8) If you are having skin problems, such as sunburn or peeling from sunburn, please call and reschedule. 9) Regarding makeup: Bring several colors and styles of makeup. Try to keep makeup light and but not overdone. Be prepared to change makeup styles during the shoot, you do not want to get locked into one look. 10) Bring examples and/or tear sheets from magazines. We can try to simulate or copy from them. They also give a good idea of what you want to try and do. 11) Come to the shoot wearing loose fitting clothing. This will minimize tight clothing lines and marks. If at all possible wear the smallest undergarments you have or wear none at all. Smaller garments make smaller lines that might be able to be covered up. 12) Please trim or shave private areas the day before the shoot in order to avoid stubble or razor rash. For underarm areas, you might try to use some kind of hair removal cream that is designed for underarm or bikini areas. Either way, you should bring a razor and some soap or cream just in case. Sep 20 06 01:54 pm -------------- Mary re: smoking on the shoot ... makeup artists have to be in your face...Photographers dont. Trust me, if you smoke you stink. as for nerves quieted by smoking .... If modeling makes you that nervous it may not be the job for you. to add....... When you are wearing clothing brought in by a stylist you'll be in heaps of trouble for smoking in them or putting them on a body that reaks of smoke.... Mary (MUA) in addition to my rant....I used to smoke, I did for many years, I didnt know I stunk because I was so used to it....nobody told me I smelled because people are too nice...I know now how bad I smelled to everyone around me...when I smoked my senses were dulled to this stench Sep 20 06 02:08 pm ================== and now some of my own ideas ... Professional conduct ... Check your email EVERY day!!! Always respond, in a timely fashion, to any call/email/etc. Always say what you mean, and mean what you say. Always give ADVANCE notice if something happens and you cannot meet your committment. Pre-Shoot Preparations & Supplies ... Unless you are going to be doing a paid shoot where all of the clothing and make-up artist are supplied (check that all clothing is cleaned and the makeup artist is a pro, so you do not get someones bacteria) .... you must bring allyour own supplies and clothing, and be ready to pose. (A) Supplies include: 1) full makeup kit, including Derma-blend makeup(covers bruises/etc) as well as brushes and combs and various hair-styling clips/etc, 2) sewing supplies for any sudden tears or lost buttons and such, 3) feminine hygene supplies, 4) bottles of water, 5) makeup and nail removal supplies. 6) general medical: tylenol, sudafed, band-aids, lens-cleaners, special-meds she may need, waterbabies-spf45 sunscreen, etc. (B) Clothing depends upon the kind of photoshoot assignment 'Model' is booked for. I.E. , fashion, sports, gymnastics, swimwear, aerobics, etc. The photographer should have some ideas as to what selections of clothing is needed for this particular shoot. (C) model preparations: 1) fully rested, 2) makeup kit and clothing cleaned, coordinated, ready to wear, 3) breakfast!! (D) model safety: ALWAYS ... 1) get work-references from the photog -and- CHECK each one!!, 2) take a companion with you, and leave someone complete info on where/when you are, 3) use the 'phone-call' system ... arrange (and tell photog) to call a friend a) just as you park your car, b) 15-minutes later, c) 40-minutes later, d) at the shoot-end, -and- e) after you get into your car. ---------------------- hope this helps!
Mon Feb 7 04:52 2011 in reply to aj knight
Contests- image rights, and copyright grabs in General Industry
Hi guys, i wrote this informational posting several years ago, but some new questions have come up so rather than bumping an old thread i am creating a new thread. All statements given are opinion only and do not constitute any type of legal advice. There are many different types of contests out there that require picture submissions, many of them are legit. But there are some contests like http://www.smashbox.com/thefaceofsmashbox that are what i like to call an image grab. See the full rules and regulations here http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread … ;t=1351295 What is an image grab? And image grab is a contest that holds the copyright in whole or in part for any image submitted, whether or not it wins, in perpetuity for any purpose. These contests will have tens of thousands of images submitted giving them their own stock database for the cost of a few prizes. At the END OF THIS posting i will show some easy ways photographers can protect themselves from this, even if you don't know at first this has been done with your images. Warning signs of an image grab contest 1. If the contest asks for hi-res files to start with. Most legitimate contests I have run into, like the Lucie awards, ask for small res files to start with and only want the higher res once an image is in the semi-finals. There is no practical use or reason for using so much server space with larger files unless you plan to use them later since the images are being viewed screen size for the first level of competition (you don't expect them to print out all submissions do you?) 2. They only want images from the last year. I happen to know that the copyright office is about 12 months behind on registering copyrights, so the images could be considered in legal limbo during that time, making it hard for somebody to prove a registered copyright. 3. Asking for unpublished images only. Now there could be legitimate reasons, but an unpublished image is once again difficult to prove copyright on. And image from lets say the New Yorker has a credit line, and the credit line establishes the owner clearly. 4. Stating that the contest or contest owners AND AFFILIATES retain copyright or all licensing in perpetuity, even if your submission doesn't win. Why do they need that? Why are these contests bad? Beyond the obvious there are many hidden costs to contest like this. A company, such as Smashbox, could take any of these images and put it on a billboard. Even though your image didn't win. They could use it on their website, they could even put it in a DO NOT DO article, telling people what a bad job you did. The next few paragraphs will target specific people ending with what a photographer can sue you for. Why should I care, it is great publicity for me as a make-up artist? Because you don't own the copyright to the image. But beyond that, if it is used there are many factors that can come and bite you in the ass. You used an image that was a test with a photographer and an agency model. Well that modeling agency is not happy that you took something that is their commercial property (the likeness of one of their models) and gave it away. Luckily for them they can sue you for the amount that that type of usage would normally cost. Many tests don't even have a model release, and as a make-up artist unless you have 2 pieces of paper, one a commercial license from the photographer and one a model release from the model you are in trouble. Not only will it hurt you in the short run, but in the long run. Agencies will inform photographers that you are not welcome on their tests or commercial projects, photographers will inform clients that they will not work with you. A contest like this can ruin your reputation and career. Why should I care it is great publicity for me as an unsigned model? Ok, again stepping away from the photographer problem, do you know who your make-up artist and stylist were? Because maybe that gorgeous neck ruff you were wearing comes from somebody who is an up and coming designer. That ruff is their signature piece, and now you have placed it into an ad campaign that isn't theirs, for a company that they don't want to be associated with. And as for that make-up artist, well they are the key make-up artist for a competing company, one that has an exclusive contract with them. Or maybe they are part of a union and that union does not take kindly to their member's work being used in a commercial project. Or, worse case scenario, they have an agent. On many small projects make-up artists, hair stylists, and wardrobe people recommend models. Do you really want to be the model that they are telling everyone not to use? They could be associated with an agency (like Photogenics) that you want to join, and that agency signs you. The make-up artist or stylist finds out, tells the agency what you did, and you are promptly either dropped from the roster, or left to rot with no auditions, no ability to put yourself on auditions without breaking your contract. Why should I care it is great publicity for me as a signed model? Hi, it is your booker calling you are in violation of your contract and are liable to the agency for thousands of dollars, oh and they are dropping you. Everything that is true for the unsigned model is true for you, and more. You have entered a contract with your agency, putting yourself into a commercial campaign without their sign-off is in violation of your contract. Once your agency drops you they will call all their friends at other agencies and you will become one of the untouchables. Why should I care it is great publicity for me as a photographer? Now if you have all your i's dotted and your t's crossed then I can't argue with you. Nobody can require you to enforce your copyrights. Nobody can force you to not release your photos to bullshit contests. But, what I said above about signed models it is true. So I really hope you have very binding model releases from your models and you didn't submit an agency test. Personally, I would be upset if something that should have paid me $40,000 is using my image for free, but that is just me. CONSEQUENCES FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHER or Well, what can the photographer do to me anyway? 1. They can sue you, for a lot of money. They can sue you for the amount it should have cost to license the image for the usage used. BUT, even if the image is never used, when it comes to a registered copyright filed with the Library of Congress, copyright laws provide for statutory penalties of up to $150000 per infringement. Your submission is an infringement. So as an example two of my images were submitted, if I were so inclined I could sue for $300,000 and attorney's fees. I am not going to, since filing suit in a case like this is meaningless, but if the images were used by Smashbox I would pretty much have to file suit against the company AND against the person who submitted the images. 2. Beyond lawsuits The photographer is the casting agent/talent booker on almost all projects. They will tell their friends, and their friends will tell their friends. You will become persona non grata, and it is a global market. What can I do as a photographer to avoid these situations? 1. Always place your licensing into the metadata of the images you are releasing. To do this go here http://www.useplus.com/ This website writes licensing METADATA. You can then place this metadata into every image you produce. They even have a free metadata embedder so you can do this even if you don't know what I am talking about. This website is easy, it takes you step by step to create the license for you. 2. REGISTER your copyright. It costs money, but it gives you many more options in a case like this. 3. Be clear with the people you work with, let them know about contests like this. Let them know what you do and don't allow as far as submissions. 4. Use a tracker to see who is posting your images, and where. If the contest can show that you didn't inform them in a timely manner to remove the image they might be able to prove fair use of the image. Conclusion As a model or make-up artist you probably do not have the necessary rights to ever submit an image to any contest. If you are thinking of doing so contact the copyright owner and inform them of your intentions. Get their agreement BEFORE you enter what is technically not your property. As a photographer read all of the rules to any contest and avoid language that states that there is any transfer of copyright or anything that says in perpetuity. Read the contest rules and understand what you are signing away. If you see something suspicious inform your friends and colleagues so they too can avoid these image grabs. These are not contests, they are image grabs and they are scams. Be wary, be safe.
Fri Feb 4 23:03 2011
So frustrating model doesnâ in Newbie Forum
Hi Clive, Being of a semi pessimistic nature when starting a shoot with a new model I will tend to go for the cheapest option. Meet first if possible, and shoot outdoors using as a warm up and confidence shoot. Then when the model knows you and you know her the likelihood of a no show is very much reduced as she knows she is no showing a person rather than Mr Q. If you must shoot indoors then book an extended studio session, and start with a model you have shot with before and you know is reliable and will show. (it is actually good if you can have a number of reliable models available at 1 or 2 day's notice). Let the reliable model know that it will be two hours with a possible extension to say 3 or 4 hours if the other model does not show. If the new model shows you finish the shoot with first model (second model gains in confidence knowing that you have been shooting another model and may be more positive) on time and start with your second model. If the second model is a no show then you have planned for an extended shoot with the first model and you are still happy, the first model is doubly happy and you have used the studio time to your best advantage. If the second model does not contact you again good riddance.
Sat Jan 29 07:37 2011 in reply to Photowise
Photographers being TOO good? in General Industry
This is the problem, especially here, on MM. _MODELS_ do not need "great photos" ... they need _GOOD_ PICTURES OF THEMSELVES!!! <==== Too many models have great porfolios, promoting the photographer(s) (and you can even read their watermarks in the thumbnails). Those are not model portfolios. A model portfolio SELLS THE MODEL. There shouldn't be large watermarks, huge backgrounds, etc -- anything that distracts from the _MODEL_. You shouldn't look at the models portfolio and come away with 10 photographer's names and still not know the model's name!! And, models need basic, un-photoshopped images. A few made up images are ok, but if every image has liquid skin, *I* know *I* am probably not going to risk using the model!! Maybe she does have nice skin, or maybe she doesn't .... but I don't know. What models are selling is their RAW LOOK,and what the artist(s) can do with it. That stunning image of you with 5 other naked models forming a "star" on the side of a mountain may be a great shot, but it does *NOTHING* for *YOUR* portfolio!! Neither does that blown out image at sunset. Great shot for the photographer, just a waste of a slot in the model's portfolio. So are all those "nude" images if you "don't do nudes." Or all those long-hair shots when you just got a pixie cut. Those maternity shots from 2 years ago? Pointless. All those body paint images? Great for the photographer, not so great for the model. Sure, it gets page views, and wastes bandwidth, but will it generate new work? Maybe for the body painter. Photographers have somehow convinced the models that the model's portfolios are simply a way for the photographer to get more advertising -- and that doesn't work either. So both people lose. The concept of a portfolio and what it is is totally lost here on MM. Scott
Fri Jan 28 16:52 2011 in reply to New Kidd Imagery
My roommates left so let me critique you. in General Feedback
I definitely critiqued you before and there's definite improvement in your portfolio but I'm going to be a little more harsh on you this time because you could improve so much more. [img]http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100414/22/4bc6a810ec90f.jpg[/img] So what I think you need to do to improve-- work with actual models. A lot of models will look at your profile, see that you've never worked with a model before and pass by you. You have very clear pictures, an eye for the camera, and very cute concepts-- now you just have to work with actual models who know what they're doing. Try posting a casting call for a cutesy couple shoot or some strong beauty shots, those seem like they might fit your style. Or something completely different! This isn't a website for photography, it's a website for modeling. You have 7 pictures up, you can't see the face in two of them and the other 5 aren't models. There's a difference between modeling and just having a picture taken. Work with actual models, start applying to casting calls near you of models looking to do TF work and build up your portfolio. Another thing, the pictures would look more model-y and portfolio worthy if you posted pictures in the photoshop wizard forums and let them have a go. Your portfolio makes you come off a little bit pompous. You only have 'some experience' checked off and the lack of actual models that you've worked with implies that you haven't worked with anyone professional at all. There are a million photographers in the world and right now, please don't take offense to this, but I can't see anyone offering you travel opportunities or even paid shoots. Two weeks to send pictures? Why put that at all? It's not something to brag about. I've had a photographer give me pictures the same day. Models also don't want to do any work, offer to give them the unedited pictures and you can edit the ones that you like the best. If they like a different picture then you can edit it for them but they can send it to you. Etc, there's a lot that needs fixing if you wanted more people to work with you. You're asking a lot from a model when not giving her any examples of previous models that were shot. I'm sorry for being a little harsh. Find some real models and get some great shots. I'm sure you'll work magic:]
Wed Jan 26 22:33 2011 in reply to Tri Rois Photography
Model Compensation Questions in General Industry
Experience is just one factor in the value of a product-uniqueness and convenience are also very important factors. Understanding how to create value is a key of any successful business, including commercial photography and modeling. The mechanic only earns a wage when they are trained on a car that is of the type that the consumer needs and at a location convenient to the customer. Uniqueness and convenience are combined with the mechanics experience to earn revenue from the consumer. My commercial photography works by creating a product of high value to my consumers. I have great experience, unique talents, and provide a convenient service that makes choosing me a much better choice than Sears Portrait Studio. My clients often hire models from talent agencies based on their uniqueness and convenience. My photography services and the models talents are combined to create a product of high value, such as images for advertising. The same thing works for my successful Clients, they use the images generated by the model and I to earn more income. Uniqueness is the most important value a model brings to a Client. There simply are few beautiful people that are perceived to have high value to a variety of Clients as models. The rate of their pay is a perception of their value based on their unique look and the income to be generated by the project involved. An advertising campaign for a large international retail store will pay the photographer and talent much more than a photo shoot to be used for posters at a local bar. As for your questions- Yes-some models have been paid by my Clients and my own business projects $100+ an hour. Models of this quality are not common to me, but my Client clearly value their services at that rate or above. Nudity is another factor of uniqueness and obviously increases the income of the project and rate of pay for the model. 1) People get paid by how much value they generate. Models commonly get paid these rate by successful Clients. 2) I generally do notice significant differences between photographs by models of different quality. In fact it is part of my services to help Clients pick models that are the right choice for their project based on uniqueness and $$$. 3) Intended use and project scope is a big value factor in the cost of my services and the fees paid to a model. I'm not so sure why this is so frustrating to you, or why you don't understand how businesses make value. Models who have a strong track record of making images of high value to the Clients can often make $100 + an hour. When push comes to shove, they are simply creating more value than you and operating a more successful business. -Scott
Wed Jan 26 07:17 2011 in reply to The Dark Corner
Stay 'plus sized' or lose the weight? in Serious Critique
acyually, at the size you currently have, you're perfect for plus modelling . I know lots of agency signed plus size model with stats similar to yours, and even smaller than you are. If you're thinking about doing this professionaly (just to be clear, because freelancing or modelling as a hobby is a different story), then I would suggest to go for plus size modelling. why? first of all, ask yourself if you could lose the weight to get to fashion modelling standards. You're currently a size 10, fashion models are a 4, maximum. most people can lose weight, but stop at a certain size. Do you think you'll be able to get that small? If you can get down to a 6 and you're hips are always going to be wide, I don't really see the point. you're hips should preferably not be bigger than 34', so ask yourself if this is physically possible for you. secondly, to be a fashion model, you have to be young. let's say you manage to get down to a size 4, and you go looking for agency representation after that. That's at least another year, so you'll be 21 at least, and that's also rather on the old side to get started as a regular fashion model. plus size modelling is different: there is less of an age restriction. you're acually at a perfect age to start out as a plus model, and most internationally working plus size models I know are about 23-24 years old, and work for years after that, so you'll have time to grow. I think you're stunning, and being a plus size model myself I'm not exactly unbiased... but looking at this objectively, i'd say go for plus size! oh and being a plus size model, you'll still have to work on your body, just liek regular models, so I'm not suggesting you go and stuff yourself with cookies :p. eat healthy and exercise regularly, you want to focus on getting toned rather than on getting skinny. do not focus on your weight, that's not relevant.
Sun Jan 23 06:11 2011 in reply to Amanda_G
Reached my wits end. no respect = no tfp in Model Colloquy
As a veteran mmer of 5 years, I believe I have seen the good, the bad, and of course, the ugly. Experience is a wonderful teacher, however this teacher is harsh and demands that you learn the lesson or repeat the mistake until you get it right. I loved the concept of tfp. Individuals getting to together all with a common goal: to create something of artistic beauty and learn something more of about your own skills in the process. Furthermore, everyone benefits, right? WRONG. Yes, I have met wonderful photogs who I would like to work with again and again. But the bad always seems to outweigh the good and the overall, the effort eventually feels like a wasted attempt. I’m sure other models would agree with me, when putting together a tfp shoot, getting the photog on board is really only half the battle. Once place and time is agreed, the challenge begins on her part. If not discussed prior, what’s the theme? How do I want to project myself? How bout makeup and hair? Do I have the wardrobe necessary to make most out of this shoot? If not, how much do I have to spend to get it? These are all questions models must deal with when entering tfp shoots. For myself, this is not an hour or two procedure. This takes careful planning and detailed preparation. Sometimes, it requires the model to have a bit of intelligence or imagination. For example, checking out the style of the photog and matching it with your own strengths to bring out the best possible final product. It is timing consuming and something I believe many photogs take for granted. They feel because “they” have a business other than this supposedly “mutual” exchange of time, that you owe them something or must yield to the mercy of their ego. This is rather disappointing and I am sure it has turned off many other models to the concept of TFP as nothing is ever mutual. Besides, the creeps weirdos out there, what about the rate of post production? Who decides this? Every model is eager to receive photos from a shoot regardless of how well they feel they performed that day. This is only natural like receiving something you’ve been expecting in the mail. How patient is too patient? As I said before, I’ve been on model mayhem for almost 5 years. I would be lying to say working on a tfp basis has taught me nothing. I could have done it for the rest of my life, as modeling is a passion of mine and not my career. Studying medicine is rather time consuming and tedious, or rather ANYTHING you devote your whole attention to takes such effort. So when I decide to work with a photog on the basis of a mutual agreement, I truly expect it to be MUTUAL! If the photog said to me, “I will work with you, but understand my wedding business is first because it is paid and you’ll have to wait for post production until my business work is complete…” ….well that could take months since it is your job. Am I to wait months? You could get new clients. Now I’m pushed behind those clients who came later? As a model, who put all this work into preparing outfits, taking time off work, figuring out concepts, trying to match the photogs style, I’m sure this information upfront would steer her in another direction or at least help the model realize that maybe she should look elsewhere for a photog with more free time to devote to the project. I have also realized just as in the real world, people will always have a tendency to take your kindness as weakness. I’m sure photogs who have a high flow of models due to their talent, can forget a model every so often. It is the job of a model to politely remind the photog which in my case, usually begets an apologetic response and formidable action. This is understandable. But to tell a model yes, I want to work with you but you are beneath my paid work; well, you might as well say. “You’re my mistress, but only when my wife is finished using me.” She’s your damn wife! She’ll never been done. You don’t need a mistress! In my most recent conflict with a photog, it was over the duration of how long it took to receive photos back. The shoot was in October. As a future physician, I believe in respecting others, even in some cases above myself which means, I am too lenient at times. I have friends who demand pictures within two weeks. But I believe that rushing a photog, will only cripple his creative performance in producing excellent work as it might a surgeon performing a delicate nasal procedure. So, naturally I give the photog his space. A month after the shoot I politely ask when am I to be expecting post production. The photog replies by the end of December. To my dismay, it is a bit longer than I would like but he did tell me the day of the shoot, a few wedding projects were coming up and it might delay the process, so I decided patience was the solution. This was discussed after the shoot. Empathetically, I understood as long as it wasn’t going to go into the New Year which I made VERY clear to him. I explained to him how photogs manipulated me in the past and he seemed to get me. The photog responded as if the sound of it going into 2011 was ridiculous and that these photogs I worked with prior, were obviously unprofessional. This is how the photog gained my trust the day of the shoot. So I waited patiently. Jan. 1. Still no pictures. I message again. Now I get an exact date Jan. 16th. I’m leaving the country for awhile and I ask to receive them before I leave. This is where the photog changes his demeanor with me. Obviously, my pictures were not even reviewed by this time and it’s been three months! And the photog has the gall to argue with me on the meaning of “time frame” vs. “exact date.” I was told end of December. I did not want to be pushy. I only contacted him again after the allotted time frame and he thinks it necessary to scold me as he did not give me an exact date until I asked again in Jan. Mind you, I asked onced a month, maybe even twice December. I was not aware bitchiness was a requirement in order to accelerate my post production. This is what I get for trying to be an -easy to work with- model. Moreover, when I decided to throw my hands up in the air in surrender and let him know, that I will comply, he decides to work around the clock in order to produce 20 photos for me before I left the country…something I did not ask to be done.…None of the photos could I use in my port anyway. It’s quite apparent to me the quality of these photos are nothing near to what I witnessed from his port. So I did my time, was patient and professional, but still it was in vain as I can consider the shoot now a wasted effort on my part as well as the photog. I grow weary of dealing with these personalities as they believe they are of higher importance when they engage in a mutual effort. I know I am not the first to encounter such issues but I suppose this is how we learn to raise our standards. I am no longer willing to do tfp and I believe this to be truly sad. When talented individuals get together, I have seen magic created before my very eyes. Now this magic will come at a price on both our parts but I suppose that is how it should be. That is all.
Fri Jan 21 21:00 2011
Model update alert: We have signed the following models for the shoot so far,,,,, Kennedy Kane MM# http://www.modelmayhem.com/1560046 Lauren (yoshi) MM# http://www.modelmayhem.com/1713396 The venue will be as follows: MARCH 2011 ( date hasnt been set but it will be a Sunday) Location : Photosynthesis Studios in Manchester Connecticut 1) We will have between 5 and 10 Beautiful models, (depending on how many photographers we book) 2) Our studio setup will have between 3 and 5 different backdrop (lighted) studio setups. 3) The hours for the shoot will be 10am to 5pm. **on a Sunday in the middle of March** 4) Refreshments (water/soda/snacks) will be available and included. Photographers who reserve there spots for this fun shooting experence, portfolio building experence will be first come first reserved. Im working out the details for payment to the studio, models ect, a fee of $150.00 per photographer for this great/fun networking event. The fee will pay for the above mentioned venue, for the studio, for the models and for refreshments served, This will be a great shooting, portfolio building experence and a whole lot of fun, ** there will be professional photographers present to help you with your settings and equipment if needed (dont be shy everyone always has questions at a shoot) The timeline for the shoot will be as follows: 10am to 10:30 photograpers getting ready 10:30am to 1pm mass shooting at different modeling stations with models moving between the stations with different wardrobe changes. 1pm to 2pm lunch break, 2pm to 2:30pm question and answer session with some of our models 2:30 to 5pm mass shooting throughout the modeling stations. we are also trying to arrange 1 on 1 photographer/model shooting within the shoot but have to see how many photographers are interested in this since space and time is limited, I will be posting models info as there hired to my M/M page so you can see the models were have booked, Please reserve your spot now, payment forms Check cash visa, mastercard and paypal. I had an awsome experence at the 2010 American Photo Modeling photoshoot in NYC this past year and it was great, got the oppertunity to shoot as much as i wanted and add so much to my portfolio. ( please look at my portfolio to get a sample of that modeling shoot) was a fantastic learning fun experence. I wanted to do the same here on a smaller level of corse but with the same experences. Any questions you have on this event or to reserve your spot, please feel free to contact me asap here on email me @ firstname.lastname@example.org or call Robert at Randpx2 Photography @ 860-869-0107 between the hours of 10am and 8pm. Looking forward to hearing from you..............
Thu Jan 20 16:50 2011
Misunderstood/misused words and phrases in General Industry
A few corrections: day rate (photography): What a photographer would like to get one day a month so they can soak up rays in Jamaica the rest of the month. copyright: The thing a photographer relies on to sue the pants (or dress) off a model who dares to post a resized image from their TFP shoot. moral rights: The right to smash a photographer's camera because your child happened to wander into a shot they were making of a model in front of a Range Rover. public domain: Anything found on the internet, especially if it has two globes. work made for hire: Photographic ID pictures for a taxi cab company. copywriting: Hey, dude, you got that one up above already. privacy rights: The right to use your hands while looking at pictures late at night in your own home. publicity (personality) rights: Yup, photographers would love to have some personality. model release/agreement (privacy/publicity rights): The thing that gives the photographer the right to sell the TFP image of their girlfriend to Victoria Secret for the cover of the next catalogue. usage license (copyright): Unfortunately, the way some photographers treat models, they feel used after a photo session. buy out: Yo! This isn't Wall Street! comp (modeling): A computer used for 3D CGI modelling when the model flakes and you need to slap a body into the shot. comp (advertising): A computer advertised on CraigsList. raw (photography): The state of undress the photographer desires to see the model in. fashion stylist: Not needed for nude photos. See "raw", above. wardrobe stylist: Chill, it's just a closet that's like furniture. It's already styled. prop stylist: Needed for model airplane shoots. food stylist: The person who slices the pizza at the end of the shoot. fair use: Any use the average internet user can think of. fair dealing: Giving the model all the unedited full resolution pictures from a TFP shoot. Oh, and a license for the model to use them on their pay site. lifestyle (photography): A photograph of people (actors or models) in a domestic or business setting doing everyday activities involving rope and rubber. editorial (modeling): Striking poses in the magazine editor's office. fashion (modeling): Photographing that Target skirt in the mirror with your cell phone. editorial (photography): Using Photoshop editor to fix the three stop underexposure. commercial (modeling): Buying plastic model car kits and assembling to sell at flea markets. commercial (photography): Pics of used pots and pans to sell them on eBay. retail (photography): Selling prints at $5 each at the next garage sale. $10 for three. There. Fixed it for ya.
Mon Jan 17 09:21 2011 in reply to BMR-MUA
How to gain a better response from messages, etc in General Industry
So, models/ photographers/ whoever are not responding to your PMs. I've decided to compile a collection of a few ideas and examples; anyone else is free to add their own ideas. Basic things to think about: -What are you seeking in a model? Are you seeking a specific look, or to work with a specific model? If a specific look, I find it much better to post a casting call for said look. If for a specific model, I PM the model directly and personalize the message. This is a perfect example of a message I will always reply to, even if it is a no: It's personalized, and demonstrates that the sender is pretty invested in shooting. An example of a message I might respond to if I like the person's work and think they were just rushed: I have no idea WHAT Billy Jean wants to shoot, and whether they are seeking to hire me or collaborate. Maybe they read my travel notices and noticed when I'd be back in NYC? Hm... If their portfolio is full of work that I could see in my portfolio and I could easily see myself in their portfolio, I respond with questions to gain more specific information. (Half the time this type of sender doesn't follow through, in my experience.) If I couldn't see their work in my portfolio and I definitely would not fit into theirs, I don't respond. They did not provide me with enough of a jump-off to know what they want to shoot, when, or other vital information. Other things to keep in mind: -If you are in an area with sparse modeling opportunities, don't expect to find too many professional models. Maybe a handful of great hobbyists here and there. Seek out those reliable and devoted local hobbyists/ professionals if applicable, as well as keep an eye out for traveling models. Consider traveling to a major market and booking as many models as possible in a week, and form relationships with models you enjoy shooting; fly them out to you as needed if feasible. -If you are in a major modeling city/ area, step your game up. Give complete and detailed personalized messages to specific models you want to work with; post casting calls to find models who fit a general look/ need you desire for a shoot you have in mind. Expect these models to have a lot on their plate- whether agency go-sees, castings, shooting, a day job, a family, whatever. MM may be a secondary or tertiary place to find people to shoot with. -Try and figure out what the purpose of being on MM is for the person you are contacting. Are they actively shooting? On hiatus? Here for fun? Available for travel? Based only in one location and do not travel? Are they interested in shooting glamour, fetish, fashion, art nudes? And the bunnies:
Sat Jan 15 11:31 2011